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Re: Any uncommon religions?

Unread postby ThatNomad » 23 June 2020, 17:35

Magic J wrote:
ThatNomad wrote:I consider myself to be a Pantheist, but often I simply tell people I'm an Atheist, or a Humanist because it's simpler.

Is this more of a "worship of nature without God" sort of thing, then? I've seen pantheism used another way, too: to describe the belief that God is reality, rather than the creator or sustainer of reality. Some really out there Christians subscribed to this sort of belief, but it never really got very popular. :P


Yes, that is fairly well what it means. Except we don't so much worship nature, as we just have a deep reverence and sense of awe from it. If that makes sense. To me worship is an active thing, and I've never meet a scientific pantheist who actively worshiped anything supernatural. All I've ever met, myself included, reject the supernatural as illogical flights of fancy.
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Re: Any uncommon religions?

Unread postby Magic J » 23 June 2020, 18:04

ThatNomad wrote:Yes, that is fairly well what it means. Except we don't so much worship nature, as we just have a deep reverence and sense of awe from it. If that makes sense. To me worship is an active thing, and I've never meet a scientific pantheist who actively worshiped anything supernatural. All I've ever met, myself included, reject the supernatural as illogical flights of fancy.

I find it fascinating that there's this common impulse towards the transcendental, even within the rejection of anything supernatural. It seems this sort of belief is most common in scientists, mathematicians, and philosophers and such, at least in the west. I suppose that an understanding of how complex systems emerge could very well fill one with a sense of awe akin to a religious experience!
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Re: Any uncommon religions?

Unread postby ThatNomad » 23 June 2020, 18:26

Magic J wrote:
ThatNomad wrote:Yes, that is fairly well what it means. Except we don't so much worship nature, as we just have a deep reverence and sense of awe from it. If that makes sense. To me worship is an active thing, and I've never meet a scientific pantheist who actively worshiped anything supernatural. All I've ever met, myself included, reject the supernatural as illogical flights of fancy.

I find it fascinating that there's this common impulse towards the transcendental, even within the rejection of anything supernatural. It seems this sort of belief is most common in scientists, mathematicians, and philosophers and such, at least in the west. I suppose that an understanding of how complex systems emerge could very well fill one with a sense of awe akin to a religious experience!


I believe that is it exactly. I can read a text on quantum physics, or cosmology, and experience the awe some people claim to experience in their religious experiences. I can get it staring up at the streak of the Milky Way across the sky, or watch a stormy sea, or even a fog filled forest. To me there is no need, for me, to have anything transcendental behind it for it to inspire that feeling.
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Re: Any uncommon religions?

Unread postby Magic J » 23 June 2020, 20:43

ThatNomad wrote:I believe that is it exactly. I can read a text on quantum physics, or cosmology, and experience the awe some people claim to experience in their religious experiences. I can get it staring up at the streak of the Milky Way across the sky, or watch a stormy sea, or even a fog filled forest. To me there is no need, for me, to have anything transcendental behind it for it to inspire that feeling.

I think the closest I get to that sort of feeling is through listening to music, or particular kinds of music. The feeling's so difficult to put into words, I suppose that music is a good way to express it.
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Re: Any uncommon religions?

Unread postby Ander1969 » 27 June 2020, 03:01

I think I'm an honorary Pastafarian, especially on rigatoni night.
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Re: Any uncommon religions?

Unread postby Jzone » 27 June 2020, 17:07

ThatNomad wrote:Pantheism, the scientific, rational one, not the "I believe in everything" version, is basically just the feeling of awe one gets being in nature.

To me there is no need, for me, to have anything transcendental behind it for it to inspire that feeling.

Doesn't the word pantheism explicitly include a transcendent entity? I experience the same sense of awe and inspiration you describe, and also have no need to add anything behind or within reality as I experience it.

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Re: Any uncommon religions?

Unread postby ThatNomad » 27 June 2020, 17:10

I suppose one could argue that, but scientific pantheists do not believe in anything transcendent, or extranatural. Only existence as it is exists. I think we mostly use the term for the fact that we experience that almost "religious" sense of awe in the face of the beauty, and grandeur of nature.
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