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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby PopTart » 29 April 2020, 10:44

poolerboy0077 wrote:
PopTart wrote:If you believe in a christian style God, it should be your relationship with God that should matter. Do you need a book, written by men two thousand years dead, or men, no different from you now, to tell you what your chosen deity wants of you? How to divine right from wrong?

Christians wouldn’t know what the faith even is if it weren’t for Bible. It seems selective to retain certain vague elements from it, like who Jesus is or what he did for humanity but discard the parts where it tells you how to live. At that point, just discard the entire thing and go with your gut on matters of ethics, epistemology and ontology.

I have to admit, thats generally been my experience aswell and I'd offer the same advice were anyone to ask.

Organised religions ultimately shift focus from the spiritual, towards veneration of their own institutions, traditions and doctrines, sometimes in complete contravention of the original ideals upon which they were founded. People end up worshipping the church and not the deity.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 29 April 2020, 12:06

Let’s not romanticize the beliefs themselves, either. It isn’t as if the Christian faith is solely corrupted by its institutions and in its purest form is some sort enlightened pathway to deep understanding.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby PopTart » 29 April 2020, 12:22

:lol: You'll get no arguement from me on that count.

Where we might disagree is that I do think faith, can have a quantifiable, if unpredictable, impact on human behaviour, that doesn't have to be negative. Faith can be a great comfort, it can inspire and it can lead to people putting aside ego just as much as it can be a salve for it.

Like most things, I should imagine, it depends on how one approaches the whole thing.

Or you can be a die hard athiest and have no faith whatsoever. That works aswell. :shrug:
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Magic J » 29 April 2020, 14:53

PopTart wrote:Organised religions ultimately shift focus from the spiritual, towards veneration of their own institutions, traditions and doctrines, sometimes in complete contravention of the original ideals upon which they were founded. People end up worshipping the church and not the deity.

Original ideals: 1) Stay united as one Group (world is scary, have each other's backs) 2) Don't talk to that other Group over in the other valley (they are scary and will take our stuff) 3) Make babies to propagate the Group (they shall grow up to protect the Group from the scary people) 4) Don't eat poisonous shellfish (you might die, and thus weaken the Group).

Might be being a bit flippant here. Possibly. :P
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Jryski » 29 April 2020, 16:44

Im just gonna put my favorite bible verse here. Ezekiel 23:20–21: There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. xD The bible was obviously written by men but the language in this section makes me think that they were probably secretly one of us. :P
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Magic J » 29 April 2020, 17:13

Jryski wrote:Im just gonna put my favorite bible verse here. Ezekiel 23:20–21: There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. xD The bible was obviously written by men but the language in this section makes me think that they were probably secretly one of us. :P

I've dusted off my Bible. Hmm. Apparently the entirety of Ezekiel 23 is some kind of fevered snuff porno. Who knew?

Well, I imagine the Christians knew. The dirty dogs.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby ceez » 30 April 2020, 01:52

*sigh* This is something that I've been struggling with for years, I grew up in a Christian household and almost everyone I know is a devoted Christian so I've always felt trapped even thogh I do believe there is a god. I did a lot of research in the past on the issue and found out a lot that other Christians were getting wrong or twisting words around. Like I grew up being told that sodomites were gay people when in reality they were straight cultists that did actual sodomy, they had rods with lumps and rough edges to shove up another mans ass as a way to humiliate him.(this I learned in an ancient civilization course) And I still believe David was bisexual, I mean you can't read the story of David and Johnathan and tell me that's "brotherly love", not many brothers would grab the others thigh and go in for a kiss.

What I would really like to know is who is translating this stuff? How did a word meaning "soft clothes" go to "soft" to "effeminate" to "homosexual". And why was the word "eunuchs" taken out of the bible? I've come to the conclusion that I'm an idiot, a half wit, a dumb ass. Its the only reason I can come up with to explain why after all times I could have been with someone but didn't because I wanted to be a "good Christian boy" like my grandparents wanted. Why, after the all the years of depression, the near suicide attempts do I still go to church slowly chipping away at my sanity.

I thoght this church would be different because they talked about accepting everyone no matter what, gay or straight. Then after talking to a young man who just joined and received prayer the week before they found out he was gay and immediately kicked him out. So unless you're an idiot or into self loathing, then no you can't be gay and Christian.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Jryski » 30 April 2020, 02:59

I’m sorry that you’re so confused about what’s going on. I hope you get to live as a human being one day. :)
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby ShedShadow » 14 May 2020, 07:08

Took me a while to figure out all of this, but here I go.

I believe (I'm christian) Christianity is all about love and acceptance. I believe a lot of the christians have twisted and skewed the original beliefs to fit their agendas. The people that I feel skew the bible I will refer to as "they or them."

I try to love all even if you don't believe what I believe or even hate me. That I feel is the most christian you can get and there is nothing antigay about it.

Where the antigay comes from is the misconceptions about Sodom and Gomorrah. Which is about a horrible city that was completely selfish. The people try to gang rape two male angels. Yes this was homosexual, but gang rape doesn't have to have sexual desires in place which likely the townspeople didn't. Male rape can be used to show dominance.

Of course there isn't just one argument to this. They also will tell you. It was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Which honestly a lot of things didn't exist when Adam and Eve were created. That doesn't mean God never meant for it. For example, Adam's likes and dislikes are not the same as many christians, but that doesn't mean God believes christians should have to like everything Adam likes.

Another thing they say is God intended marriage to be only male and female. First, he never really talked negatively or positively about homosexual marriage. However, he mentioned man and women, but it depends on how you view marriage.

If marriage was only about procreation then there would be no desire for gays to get married. Maybe to adopt they would. However, marriage is certainly not all about procreation. Many married people say they tried for kids and couldn't have any. So, they had to adopt. Some marriages don't even consider it. Also, some cultures believe marriage is about reuniting two families. Marriage is much more complicated than just procreation.

They also say, two dads and two moms are not good parents. However, some of them are single parents! Nothing wrong with being a single parent. I have seen awesome kids grow up without one parent. Obviously, I would recommend two though.

Additionally they quote Leviticus 20:13 and one other place in Leviticus, but those are in a group of laws we aren't suppose to follow anymore. Just be glad you don't because that list is kind of crazy.

They also quote Corinthians 6:9. However, I wouldn't trust that either since it includes a list that at some point or another I believe everyone has committed even if it was something really small. Additionally, read the verse after Corinthians 6:11. It basically goes on about nonetheless you can be saved and forgiven.

Paul talks about gays being unatural once, but that is based on the societal norms. I agree. You may say someone walking on their tip toes may be unnatural. So, once again I wouldn't take it too seriously.

There you have it. Why I believe being gay has nothing to do with being christian. However, I do believe being respectful, positive, and loving is the true goal for christians.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby MichaelH » 20 May 2020, 00:42

First, I like to assure everyone that God did create Steve.

Secondly, if any LGBT+ person wants to find a church who doesn't kick out LGBT+ people out, I recommend [url]gaychurch.org[/url] there's also some explanations already discussed
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Ander1969 » 23 May 2020, 01:44

As a Christian, I follow the teachings of Christ as told in the new testament. Jesus says nothing, neither for nor against homosexuality (but there is evidence in the Gnostic Gospels that Jesus may have practiced bisexuality). I also believe that if there is love, the Lord won't mind.
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