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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 18 July 2020, 07:44

Ander1969 wrote:Where does Jesus teach that homosexuality is bad?

Have you ever prayed and noticed he never responds? He’s disappointed in your faggotry, son. Sometimes it’s the things he doesn’t say that give his opinion of you away.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Magic J » 18 July 2020, 12:37

poolerboy0077 wrote:
Ander1969 wrote:Where does Jesus teach that homosexuality is bad?

Have you ever prayed and noticed he never responds? He’s disappointed in your faggotry, son. Sometimes it’s the things he doesn’t say that give his opinion of you away.

Jesus is a stone cold bitch. :shake:
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Ander1969 » 18 July 2020, 14:01

One has to first differentiate between the two books.
The old testament is the Torah, or the Hebrew Bible. This is what the Jews follow. Not much about Christianity in here.
The new Testament, the Christian Bible, contains the teachings of Christ and is the one that Christians follow. Christ had very little to say about homosexuality, but digging deeper, his actions show that he was at least a supporter.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 18 July 2020, 15:56

Ander1969 wrote:Christ had very little to say about homosexuality, but digging deeper, his actions show that he was at least a supporter.

I suspected your earlier comment was rhetorical. Your rationale is dubious but if it makes you sleep at night by all means proceed.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Jryski » 18 July 2020, 16:07

You went digging through the bible and that’s the conclusion you have reached? You sure? Cuz, I’m pretty sure the conclusion of the bible is the book of revelation.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Derek » 18 July 2020, 18:09

The Torah isn't canon? You heard it here folks. Nicene Council can get fucked.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Magic J » 19 July 2020, 22:44

I'm pretty sure that some Christian denominations believe that Jesus formed a new Covenant with humanity, essentially overriding the first Covenant seen in the Old Testament. In which case, it might very well be consistent to say that God's not got much to say about dudes boning dudes anymore.

Unsure if that's a common theological stance, though, and I've not read the NT for several years, so I dunno if he truly was as neutral as had been suggested.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby GaySpacePirateKing » 20 July 2020, 00:15

Magic J wrote:I'm pretty sure that some Christian denominations believe that Jesus formed a new Covenant with humanity, essentially overriding the first Covenant seen in the Old Testament. In which case, it might very well be consistent to say that God's not got much to say about dudes boning dudes anymore.

Unsure if that's a common theological stance, though, and I've not read the NT for several years, so I dunno if he truly was as neutral as had been suggested.


The Cathars who were a Christian sect in the middle ages which the church deemed heritical and launched a genocidal crusade against, supposedly believed that the old testament and new testament represented two different gods. The god of the old testament was evil, essentially the devil and the creator of the physical realm. Whilst the god of the new testament was good and the creator of the spiritual realm. I've no idea what their views on homosexuality were though.

I don't think it matters anyway if a Christian interpreted the bible and teachings of Christ to be supportive or neutral about homosexuality, because it wouldn't change the fact that Christians and Christianity as we've come to know it has persecuted gays for centuries regardless of what interpretation of their religion they come to.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Jryski » 20 July 2020, 02:10

Just read the book of revelation. Basically, eternal damnation for everyone but the nonbelievers. Which belief system of which sect? ??? Who dafuq knows. If you’re reading this, you’re probably damned.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Magic J » 20 July 2020, 16:26

Jryski wrote:Just read the book of revelation. Basically, eternal damnation for everyone but the nonbelievers. Which belief system of which sect? ??? Who dafuq knows. If you’re reading this, you’re probably damned.

You're not going far enough, son. The Calvinist-derived denominations believe that salvation and damnation is predetermined, so it's entirely possible to be a devout believer and a wonderful person and still not make the cut. One of the stranger mysteries. :P

GaySpacePirateKing wrote:The Cathars who were a Christian sect in the middle ages which the church deemed heritical and launched a genocidal crusade against, supposedly believed that the old testament and new testament represented two different gods. The god of the old testament was evil, essentially the devil and the creator of the physical realm. Whilst the god of the new testament was good and the creator of the spiritual realm.

Interesting. Sounds like Christian gnosticism. I think the false god is called the Demiurge or something? Gnosticism's popular amongst the weirder occulty people who I for some reason talk to. :lol:

What's everybody's favourite Christian heresy? I'm partial to the Fraticelli. :P
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Dave67 » 26 July 2020, 07:56

God made you who you are, God does not make mistakes. That being said how can a maker not love all his children unconditionally? I didn't do anything to make me gay, I was born this way so how is it my fault?
Trying to be something you are not is not living and not being who you are is just as bad, I know. I have tried to deny who I am my whole life with the exception of 10 yrs I was coming out to a lot of people but never could my family so I went back in. Now all I think about is how it could be if I had the guts then to just say eff it and came out.

Just about everyday I think about what it would be like to live with a man and be in a serious relatiionship but I chickened out and went back to what I was comfortable with even though my gf now has said she thinks I might be in the closet. I gues she is ok with it as we have been together 10 yrs. I have never cheated bug I have cravings for man sex a lot. I often think if I did have sex with a man would she care as she already thinks I am bi. I am bi I guess but would prefer just being gay as men are the only thing I think of when thinking of sex.

If she would not mind me having my man sex when the need arises I think we could be together forever as I do love her but I cannot get man sex off my mind as much as I could when I was younger. The older I get the more I want men. Make sense to anyone?
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 26 July 2020, 15:05

ok boomer
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Valso » 26 July 2020, 16:02

Dave67 wrote:I didn't do anything to make me gay, I was born this way so how is it my fault?

All religions are full of such inconsistencies, esp. the christian one. Which is probably why more and more people open their eyes after seeing these inconsistencies and abandon the brainwashing factory that wants you dead because you were born gay.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 26 July 2020, 17:14

Valso wrote:
Dave67 wrote:I didn't do anything to make me gay, I was born this way so how is it my fault?

All religions are full of such inconsistencies, esp. the christian one. Which is probably why more and more people open their eyes after seeing these inconsistencies and abandon the brainwashing factory that wants you dead because you were born gay.

“Born this way” is such a lazy argument, though. “I didn’t do anything to make me a psychopath. I was born this way so how is it my fault?” The origin of our orientation has little to do with its moral nature. We’re not immoral because sexual orientation is inconsequential to morality.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Dave67 » 27 July 2020, 06:59

poolerboy0077 wrote:
Valso wrote:
Dave67 wrote:I didn't do anything to make me gay, I was born this way so how is it my fault?

All religions are full of such inconsistencies, esp. the christian one. Which is probably why more and more people open their eyes after seeing these inconsistencies and abandon the brainwashing factory that wants you dead because you were born gay.

“Born this way” is such a lazy argument, though. “I didn’t do anything to make me a psychopath. I was born this way so how is it my fault?” The origin of our orientation has little to do with its moral nature. We’re not immoral because sexual orientation is inconsequential to morality.



Ok boomer.
It is my belief not a lazy opinion.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 27 July 2020, 15:28

It doesn’t work if you direct it at a non-boomer, boomer.

And beliefs can be lazy too.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby PopTart » 27 July 2020, 17:15

Magic J wrote:
GaySpacePirateKing wrote:The Cathars who were a Christian sect in the middle ages which the church deemed heritical and launched a genocidal crusade against, supposedly believed that the old testament and new testament represented two different gods. The god of the old testament was evil, essentially the devil and the creator of the physical realm. Whilst the god of the new testament was good and the creator of the spiritual realm.

Interesting. Sounds like Christian gnosticism. I think the false god is called the Demiurge or something? Gnosticism's popular amongst the weirder occulty people who I for some reason talk to. :lol:

What's everybody's favourite Christian heresy? I'm partial to the Fraticelli. :P

You got it one, Cathar, were very similar in their belief to Yazidi's who in turn adopted alot of the Zoraostrianism.

I have to admit, I don't like the Fraticelli much, too austere and unrelenting. They had that old time puritanical religion we would eventually ship off to America (your welcome Americans! :awesome: )

The Cathar are more my style, they had such a laid back approach to their faith, nearly anyone, male or female could become a preacher, there was no official church hierarchy and you could ask just about anyone to absolve you of your sins to become, what was known as a Cathar Perfect. An immaculate soul, absolved of all sin.

Only once in your lifetime though, so you couldn't sin, get all immaculate and go off and sin some more... which not surprisingly, led to alot of Cathars choosing to make confessions, moments before death :P since they were pretty sure they got all the sinning they intended to do in their lives, out of the way by that point, short of telling aunt Muriel what a bitch she was and leaving all your worldly goods to the kid you really like, but those aren't sins because, surely, God would agree :thumbsupwink:

I am partial to the iconoclasts of the orthodox Christianity, because its one of those, wtf? Kinda heresies.

The difference between the monophysite and miaphysites being another, that they would have schism over such small details just goes to show how utterly neurotic Christianity and religion in general tends to be.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Magic J » 1 August 2020, 14:58

PopTart wrote:I have to admit, I don't like the Fraticelli much, too austere and unrelenting. They had that old time puritanical religion we would eventually ship off to America (your welcome Americans! :awesome: )

Haha, yeah, I suppose there probably was a puritanical element to it. I'm mostly familiar with them through Umberto Eco's novel The Name of the Rose. Indeed, the potential for puritanical thinking is a major element of the plot, but I won't give the ending away. I recommend the novel if you've not read it!
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby GaySpacePirateKing » 1 August 2020, 16:59

Magic J wrote:What's everybody's favourite Christian heresy? I'm partial to the Fraticelli. :P


Maybe the Bogomils as they were against hierarchies, hated the church and the state so were almost anarchist.

I am reading a book at the moment called Caliban and the Witch, which says that heresy movements were not just deviations of orthodox doctrine, but radical social movements aiming for democratization of social life and denouncing social hierarchies, private property, the wealthy, economic exploitation, ecclesiastical and secular authorities. The author even goes as far to describe them as the "first proletarian International" as they were also well networked.

I am not sure then whether its a mistake to view them as Christian or not. There wasn't much of an alternative explanation for existence back then other than from God and the Bible and looks like they made their own interpretations of it.

I only brought this up in the first place as I thought it was interesting, but it really does not have much of anything to do with the thread maybe other than to add that some Christians do or did hold the old and new testaments in different regard.

I've no idea what these heresy movements thought about homosexuality though and even if it was positive then obviously I don't think they erase the history of violence and persecution that the church and Christianity has inflicted on homosexuals and justified with the bible.

I am not sure if we need to or if its worth being against the idea of someone being gay and Christian though or against Christians trying to argue that all Christians should support homosexuality because if more of them did then that would probably benefit us. We are also probably unlikely to ever entirely get rid of religious beliefs. My concern is if they try to argue that Christianity has always supported homosexuality and so turn a blind eye to past and present persecution, violence and discrimination towards homosexuality by Christianity.
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Re: Christianity and being gay

Unread postby Valso » 10 August 2020, 02:28

Is it just me or that does sound dirty? :lol: :lol:

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