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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Derek » 5 December 2018, 01:06

Well this thread has reached its apotheosis.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby mxguy01 » 6 December 2018, 17:48

erti wrote:i think women should rule the world, enslave men and only use them for breeding purposes. :lol:


Hum, Doesn't sound far off of reality in ways. LoL
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Marmaduke » 9 December 2018, 16:19

I think I’ve decided that I don’t like Lindt chocolates.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby PopTart » 9 December 2018, 17:17

Marmaduke wrote:I think I’ve decided that I don’t like Lindt chocolates.

:blargh: :blargh: :blargh:
B-b-but how?! Why? WHHHHYYY!!!

:D You eat too many? They can be sooo moreish and then you feel sick...
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Satsuma » 9 December 2018, 17:18

Marmaduke wrote:I think I’ve decided that I don’t like Lindt chocolates.


I love them! Even the dark chocolate ones, and that's weird for me :P
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 9 December 2018, 17:20

Do you guys think it’s pointless to call out people for past shit they’ve said or tweeted?

On the one hand I think call-out culture is selective and abnoxious. But on the other hand there’s something nice about people being held accountable for careless prejudice.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Satsuma » 9 December 2018, 17:23

poolerboy0077 wrote:Do you guys think it’s pointless to call out people for past shit they’ve said or tweeted?

On the one hand I think call-out culture is selective and abnoxious. But on the other hand there’s something nice about people being held accountable for careless prejudice.


Considering I've been guilty of careless prejudice myself when I thought I always had the best intentions, I don't think it's just pointless but cruel too :cry:
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby PopTart » 9 December 2018, 17:25

Zoop wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:I think I’ve decided that I don’t like Lindt chocolates.


I love them! Even the dark chocolate ones, and that's weird for me :P

I'm a total sucker for the occassional limited edition, White chocolate and raspberry ones. Those are super sickly, but oooooh so good! :D

poolerboy0077 wrote:Do you guys think it’s pointless to call out people for past shit they’ve said or tweeted?

On the one hand I think call-out culture is selective and abnoxious. But on the other hand there’s something nice about people being held accountable for careless prejudice.

I guess it would have to depend on how old the post or tweet was? I mean, surely people have to be given a chance to admit their wrongs, grow from them and be given the benefit of the doubt right? Or else, what incentive is there to bother changing and being a better person, if your never allowed to move past it?
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 9 December 2018, 17:27

I also get the feeling that a lot of straight people are more forgiving if someone says homophobic things than racist things. Homophobia can even be seen as a legitimate point of conversation and debate whereas there’s more of an intolerance for anything disparaging of ethnic minorities, mostly toward blacks.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby PopTart » 9 December 2018, 17:31

poolerboy0077 wrote:I also get the feeling that a lot of straight people are more forgiving if someone says homophobic things than racist things. Homophobia can even be seen as a legitimate point of conversation and debate whereas there’s more of an intolerance for anything disparaging of ethnic minorities, mostly toward blacks.

Might be something to this one, because I'll have people engage me, knowing I'm gay, in conversation about morality regarding homosexuality, generally, here in the UK, people don't tend to talk about racism so much in social circles :shrug: atleast not mine.

But then my social circle is (or more accurately was, it's shrunk lately) quite diverse.

Do you mean more online or in person Pooler? I tend to find it's a different matter entirely online to real life.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 9 December 2018, 17:33

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PopTart wrote:I guess it would have to depend on how old the post or tweet was? I mean, surely people have to be given a chance to admit their wrongs, grow from them and be given the benefit of the doubt right? Or else, what incentive is there to bother changing and being a better person, if your never allowed to move past it?

Where should we draw the line? A month ago? A year ago? 5 years ago? 10? A couple days ago I wrote the word nigger when I was quoting Bill Maher. Should I apologize? Or should it only be when used with deliberate animus?

Also, most of these people who post these things in public years ago don’t later acknowledge them on their own. It’s only when people dig them up. At that point they can either apologize or not. But apart from that, is there a point to any of it? Will this just lead us to go down a long list of people and eventually tire out most people and lose sight of the initial point?
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Derek » 9 December 2018, 17:59

poolerboy0077 wrote:I also get the feeling that a lot of straight people are more forgiving if someone says homophobic things than racist things. Homophobia can even be seen as a legitimate point of conversation and debate whereas there’s more of an intolerance for anything disparaging of ethnic minorities, mostly toward blacks.

Of course they are. Your average straight person used 'faggot' as an insult until they were adults and believe every appearance of a gay person in media is pandering. So when they hear that someone said in apparent seriousness that he'd beat the gay out of his son, they identify with the viewpoint that he is "evolving" and it's genuinely unreasonable to be offended. Even the intolerance towards racism is just an example of an Overton window closing rather than an indication of their ability to feel empathy.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby BlackBoi666 » 9 December 2018, 18:12

poolerboy0077 wrote:I also get the feeling that a lot of straight people are more forgiving if someone says homophobic things than racist things. Homophobia can even be seen as a legitimate point of conversation and debate whereas there’s more of an intolerance for anything disparaging of ethnic minorities, mostly toward blacks.

I don't see why. Black people are assholes. They think I'm "too white" because I prefer rock over rap, and speak classy, instead of ghetto slang. The ones who don't sell drugs will tolerate, and defend the drug dealers, in the black community, so I prefer to stick around white people.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby PopTart » 9 December 2018, 19:59

poolerboy0077 wrote:Online

PopTart wrote:I guess it would have to depend on how old the post or tweet was? I mean, surely people have to be given a chance to admit their wrongs, grow from them and be given the benefit of the doubt right? Or else, what incentive is there to bother changing and being a better person, if your never allowed to move past it?

Where should we draw the line? A month ago? A year ago? 5 years ago? 10? A couple days ago I wrote the word nigger when I was quoting Bill Maher. Should I apologize? Or should it only be when used with deliberate animus?

Also, most of these people who post these things in public years ago don’t later acknowledge them on their own. It’s only when people dig them up. At that point they can either apologize or not. But apart from that, is there a point to any of it? Will this just lead us to go down a long list of people and eventually tire out most people and lose sight of the initial point?

I could definately see the exercise outliving the intent :P

Hmmm, I guess not so much time then? I guess context has got to be considered, do you think it is very often?

I don't really put much stock in apologies in the context of Twitter mishaps, when someone says something blatantly egregious and offensive. I guess some kind of demonstration of real contrition or reform and how do we get that?

I have to believe that people can change and if they make the effort to do so, they should be given credit for that, by expunging their past errors. As I said previously, otherwise, why bother reforming ones opinion? Just because it's right to do so? Thats hardly ever been considered a popular motivation :P
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Yeauxleaux » 10 December 2018, 00:50

poolerboy0077 wrote:I also get the feeling that a lot of straight people are more forgiving if someone says homophobic things than racist things. Homophobia can even be seen as a legitimate point of conversation and debate whereas there’s more of an intolerance for anything disparaging of ethnic minorities, mostly toward blacks.
I think it depends on the context and who is saying the homophobic thing

A lot of people on the very far-Left (usually the people who are the biggest defenders of gay people when it comes to white people saying something homophobic) have a very hard time deciding who to defend when somone who isn't white does something homophobic. It creates a cognitive dissonance situation where they're faced with a dilemma; Do I stick up for the gay person here, or do I stick to being "multicultural" and respect this "oppressed colonised" brown person's right to disagree with homosexuality on cultural/religious grounds?

You saw this perfectly exemplified following the Orlando shootings of the morning of Sunday 12th June 2016. It seemed fairly obvious that Omar Mateen was dealing with an identity crisis; he was a gay man torn between his religion (which vehemently disapproves of homosexuality, violently so in many countries) and his sexuality. He chose religion and chose it not only for himself but for 50 others. Did the Left have the much-needed discussion about homophobia and anti-gay bias in Islamic communities? Fuck no, because that's controversial and means you have to attack the "poor oppressed brown man's religion". Instead they did mental gymnastics and talked "nothing to do with Islam! Guns are the problem!", as if it was the gun that had a motive instead of Mateen. (In comes Trump with his pandering, naive gullible gays fall for it, but that's a discussion for another time).

As I said before, part of me does kind of understand this non-interventionalist "it's neo-colonialism to tell non-white people how to behave" mantra, but I wish people wouldn't ignore or even defend the indefensible. If you don't want to be quote-unquote "racist" and criticise other cultures for not meeting western standards of liberalism, ok, but the least you can do is provide platforms for activists and reformers in that group who share some liberal ideals instead of allowing them (and increasingly ourselves too) to be trampled over.

BlackBoi666 wrote:I don't see why. Black people are assholes. They think I'm "too white" because I prefer rock over rap, and speak classy, instead of ghetto slang. The ones who don't sell drugs will tolerate, and defend the drug dealers, in the black community, so I prefer to stick around white people.
I'm kind of the opposite I guess. I'm white but I've always really been into "urban" music, I love RnB and some hip-hop here and there, as well as some Latin music. I think it's a product of where I grew up, I spent parts of my childhood on a very diverse inner city neighbourhood around different races of people. I don't really care if people judge me for it (not that I think anyone really does), you like what you like and it's not hurting anyone. I think it's sad now, we're in that era where people can't just like atypical things without it have to "mean something" or be "cultural appropriation" or some shit.

I have to ask, have you not found other black people with similar interests to you? There must be others in your area with similar music and aesthetic tastes, surely? Not that I'm knocking you for having white friends and being more comfortable with "the white aesthetic", that's your business and you gravitate towards who you gravitate toward, I'm just curious.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 10 December 2018, 19:43

Derek wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:I also get the feeling that a lot of straight people are more forgiving if someone says homophobic things than racist things. Homophobia can even be seen as a legitimate point of conversation and debate whereas there’s more of an intolerance for anything disparaging of ethnic minorities, mostly toward blacks.

Of course they are. Your average straight person used 'faggot' as an insult until they were adults and believe every appearance of a gay person in media is pandering. So when they hear that someone said in apparent seriousness that he'd beat the gay out of his son, they identify with the viewpoint that he is "evolving" and it's genuinely unreasonable to be offended. Even the intolerance towards racism is just an example of an Overton window closing rather than an indication of their ability to feel empathy.

You’ve mentioned this before. That really gets under your skin, huh? :lol:
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Derek » 11 December 2018, 00:34

poolerboy0077 wrote:
Derek wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:I also get the feeling that a lot of straight people are more forgiving if someone says homophobic things than racist things. Homophobia can even be seen as a legitimate point of conversation and debate whereas there’s more of an intolerance for anything disparaging of ethnic minorities, mostly toward blacks.

Of course they are. Your average straight person used 'faggot' as an insult until they were adults and believe every appearance of a gay person in media is pandering. So when they hear that someone said in apparent seriousness that he'd beat the gay out of his son, they identify with the viewpoint that he is "evolving" and it's genuinely unreasonable to be offended. Even the intolerance towards racism is just an example of an Overton window closing rather than an indication of their ability to feel empathy.

You’ve mentioned this before. That really gets under your skin, huh? :lol:

It really does. I spend too much time on reddit.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 11 December 2018, 01:12

Derek wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:
Derek wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:I also get the feeling that a lot of straight people are more forgiving if someone says homophobic things than racist things. Homophobia can even be seen as a legitimate point of conversation and debate whereas there’s more of an intolerance for anything disparaging of ethnic minorities, mostly toward blacks.

Of course they are. Your average straight person used 'faggot' as an insult until they were adults and believe every appearance of a gay person in media is pandering. So when they hear that someone said in apparent seriousness that he'd beat the gay out of his son, they identify with the viewpoint that he is "evolving" and it's genuinely unreasonable to be offended. Even the intolerance towards racism is just an example of an Overton window closing rather than an indication of their ability to feel empathy.

You’ve mentioned this before. That really gets under your skin, huh? :lol:

It really does. I spend too much time on reddit.

Do you ever troll them like Michael used to? And if so, have you gotten banned? Show us your battle scars.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Derek » 11 December 2018, 02:11

I don't troll and I've never been banned. Unlike some people here I could mention, I'm a good person.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 11 December 2018, 05:26

Someone come help me pull my eyes back into their sockets. They’ve currently rolled to the back of my head.
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