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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby lightnight » 11 February 2019, 19:53

I like sitting in a bus and getting lost in thoughts and watching people and wondering what's going on in their lives, but I drive a (super basic) motorbike to work. My city, or at least the parts I live and work in, are pretty safe.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 11 February 2019, 21:53

People should not be allowed to buy or sell animals as pets.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Brenden » 11 February 2019, 22:02

poolerboy0077 wrote:People should not be allowed to buy or sell animals as pets.

Then what incentive would there be for good breeding? We’d lose tens of thousands of years of human-canine history.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Shaved-Nudist » 11 February 2019, 23:56

poolerboy0077 wrote:People should not be allowed to buy or sell animals as pets.

By purchasing an animal as a pet, that animal will have a much better life and so will the person that has it.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Eryx » 12 February 2019, 01:05

It's a complicated subject. I think everyone should aim to adopt, not purchase, but there's the whole breed thing and competitions and stuff. I mean, if a guy is a farmer and needs a dog shepherd, he can't just adopt a chihuahua. But then again, people go around spending hundreds of dollars to have the hip breed of the moment while lots of street dogs just get euthanized.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Victor_Laszlo » 12 February 2019, 01:11

^^ I think it's more about the "purchasing" part.

Their are plenty of unwanted animals.

Having said that. Before I got my cats I looked into a local shelter. And they were charging outrageous prices to "adopt" a pet. On par with just buying a thoroughbred kitten or puppy.

Only difference is your not getting a thoroughbred puppy or kitten. And on top of that they want to do home inspections and background checks and finance checks and all kinds of insane shit.

I understand trying not to put an animal in the same situation they came from. But the cost and hassle just isn't worth it to most middle class people. So alot of pets that could have a great home end up staying in the shelter. Except of coarse for the pure breed puppies and kittens. They go fast. Not the animals really in need of a home and some tlc.

One other thing I've noticed (at least around here) is they charge a higher "adoption" fee for pure breeds and puppies And kittens then other animals. It may be different in other places. But that's how they are around here.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Derek » 12 February 2019, 01:13

Brenden wrote:We’d lose tens of thousands of years of human-canine history.

Behold, the glorious legacy of domestication:

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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 12 February 2019, 02:01

Shaved-Nudist wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:People should not be allowed to buy or sell animals as pets.

By purchasing an animal as a pet, that animal will have a much better life and so will the person that has it.

I’m not against animals being rescued but I don’t think it’s appropriate to make this into a business which simply encourages more breeding to satiate the demand for them. These animals are not better off existing in some fish tank or cooped up in an apartment for the rest of their lives than not existing in the first place just so we can make a stupid YouTube video of a cat in a shark costume riding a Roomba.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Eryx » 12 February 2019, 03:45

Yeah, adoptions here in Brazil are free because animal shelters get their money from the government, so they don't need to cover their expenses with fees for adopters. Our culture is very dog-oriented as well which helps. Additionally, lots of people are more inclined to adopt than purchase, because while our adoptions are free, the purchasable animals are quite expensive.

This reminded me of blood donations. It's illegal here to sell your blood, and personally I feel that encouraging people to donate through compensation can actually be beneficial to the blood supply. I heard the US and Germany are the biggest exporters of plasma due to the fact that people can actually sell their blood.

I also read a while back that in Iran people can sell kidneys through a very tightly supervised system, and that it helped curb the demand. I don't know if that's a perfect solution, but it's something that could be studied and applied for certain medical necessities.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Derek » 12 February 2019, 04:01

Making it illegal to sell something for which there is legitimate demand is just a denial of reality. In my opinion, sales should be banned only when the product itself cannot be tolerated (slaves, assassinations, dog fighting, etc.). The supply of blood, organs, children for adoption, and whatever else can all benefit greatly from the coordination of market forces.

I think dog breeding falls into the intolerable category. Over the past couple hundred years, we have mutilated a species for no reason except that being deformed makes them distinctive. People who have an economic need for, e.g., sled dogs, herding dogs, and retrievers could breed them themselves, if it came down to it. I would be fine with commercial breeders being outlawed.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 12 February 2019, 04:06

Not that I disagree with you but curious as to what consistutes legitimate demand and tolerable practices.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Derek » 12 February 2019, 04:17

Tolerability is a shifting target. I know you hate moral relativism, but I think the best way to define it is by consensus. (For instance, banning slavery can be justified with basic Enlightenment principles, but banning dog fighting is better served just by squeamishness.) The important distinction in my argument is between the product and the sale.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 12 February 2019, 05:06

How are you deciding what rationale to use here to justify something being banned? Hairy men in romantic relationships make a lot of people squeamish—and not just the heterosexuals. Outlawing that just because I am disgusted, as are most people, is plain stupid and immoral. Even a bear naysayer like me knows that.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Derek » 12 February 2019, 05:28

There's isn't a first principle on which I'd base my entire political philosophy. I believe in minding my own business, but I also believe in intervening if something atrocious is going on. I'm glad I live in a system where dog fighting was outlawed, and I'm glad I live in a system that was persuaded to recognize the rights of individuals to engage in consensual romantic relationships. If someone felt differently about the bears, I'd ask them if they thought their opinion was consistent with belief in a free society that respects individual choice. If that didn't convince them, I'd shrug and be thankful that most people disagree.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 12 February 2019, 05:38

Now I get why conservatives are so perturbed by progressives. If we lived in a world without valiant men we’d be stuck with only those who keep their fingers crossed as a strategy for a better tomorrow.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Derek » 12 February 2019, 05:46

Oh, go recite a slam poetry about it.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 12 February 2019, 05:53

Here’s another opinion: people should stop pandering to gays in the media.







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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby rogonandi » 12 February 2019, 14:39

There’s something about Will Smith playing the genie in Aladdin that bothers me to no end. It may have to do with Robin Williams doing a magnificent job in the original one or it may also have to do with all these stupid live action remakes Disney is pumping out in general.
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Eryx » 12 February 2019, 14:49

Yeah, I wasn't thrilled with that either...
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Re: Controversial Opinions

Unread postby Levi Sinner » 12 February 2019, 15:01

HOMOPHOBIA DOESN'T EXIST.

It is nothing more than an external response mirroring the way we treat each other within our community.

Just like everyone else must upgrade themselves to see changes for the better happening in their lives, we must improve the way we live to see respect instead of hatred coming from outside of our community.

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