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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Descuff » 19 December 2013, 22:01

GayHoosier wrote:I think so, or that it somehow becomes ingrained in someone later in life. I still wonder why it is that a lot of guys who've been raped, namely by male family members, turn out to be homosexual.


Look like you're still on the fence. We know many guys who come forward about being gay after they been raped or abused. But would they be the majority? I highly doubt it.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby xonpathos » 19 December 2013, 23:29

Josiemonster wrote:Where have you got this 'a lot' from?

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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Eryx » 21 December 2013, 21:02

Marmaduke wrote:
GayHoosier wrote:I think so, or that it somehow becomes ingrained in someone later in life.
Worst answer to a thread ever.

Do I think people are born gay or do they become gay? Oh yes, it's definitely one of those.

Thanks for the insight.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby GayHoosier » 22 December 2013, 20:06

Descuff wrote:
GayHoosier wrote:I think so, or that it somehow becomes ingrained in someone later in life. I still wonder why it is that a lot of guys who've been raped, namely by male family members, turn out to be homosexual.


Look like you're still on the fence. We know many guys who come forward about being gay after they been raped or abused. But would they be the majority? I highly doubt it.


About what? I don't even know how I "became" gay, but it never used to be that way. Growing up, I didn't even know what "gay" was until the 7th grade. I used to be "attracted" to girls, but I am not sure if it's because liking girls was expected of me from everyone else as opposed to being homosexual or if I did like them but fell out of that and became attracted to men somehow. Who knows, still mystifies me too, but I'm here and I'm queer.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby AAS2013 » 28 January 2014, 03:57

to be honest, and i know I might be completely wrong on this. I've known I've liked the same sex since i was little. I used to play with dolls and I was very feminine growing up. I always liked to be clean and my room was always clean. you know, i was the perfect generic gay stereotype. My father was never around and my mom has always been so overbearing. So I can't be completely sure in my personal case how I developed my sexuality.

I do find some girls very pretty but I would not want anything sexual or emotional with them. so I personally believe that you are born gay but you discover the fact with experience.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 5 February 2014, 08:01

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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby c1ask0 » 6 February 2014, 19:24

I didn't accept my homosexuality until I was 18, but looking back on my life I can think of moments even in my early years where I had strange feelings towards other boys in the school. I think perhaps people are born gay.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby hatiko » 14 February 2014, 02:21

I once saw a paper published in a peer reviewed journal. That means that some people did scientific research, had their results reviewed by experts, and then published them. Such journals don't lie.

The paper described their study of genetic and epigenetic (non-DNA, but still affecting DNA) factors during embryonic development. The final result was gay people (at least some) are born when there is some abnormal genetic regulation in embryo during pregnancy. So it IS innate.

I don't care. I am doing my PhD in genetics and I could do a lot of research in this. But I know nothing can change it, and I almost for sure was born with this. It took me 25 years to realize. Life goes on.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby allmyimages2020 » 20 February 2014, 07:31

I like males more than females from a very young age and preferred to be cuddled by my male rather than female relatives, etc. So I must be a born gay!
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Frigid » 20 February 2014, 21:54

hatiko wrote:The final result was gay people (at least some) are born when there is some abnormal genetic regulation in embryo during pregnancy. So it IS innate.

What? If being sexually attracted to men is innate, the results would be near 100% and it would have hit the media with a frenzy. Furthermore, was this unreferenced study done on men who identify as gay or women as well? What about people who identify as bi?

There're lots of patchy research into homosexuality and many more ideas, none of them providing confident results. Although if we take current research into account, it would appear that genetics plays some part in at least some men who identify as gay. What else determines it? Is it a constant like eye-colour or is it flexible? Who knows.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Grass hopper » 20 February 2014, 22:56

i can't speak for everyone, but i do believe i was born gay and that most gay people are too.

for a lot of my life i was in deep denial, being gay was just something some other people where. but once i actually thought about it the answer was clear. i'd had girlfriends but never actually cared about them. i always thought much more about men than women, i just never made the connection.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby hatiko » 21 February 2014, 01:57

Frigid wrote:What? If being sexually attracted to men is innate, the results would be near 100% and it would have hit the media with a frenzy. Furthermore, was this unreferenced study done on men who identify as gay or women as well? What about people who identify as bi?

There're lots of patchy research into homosexuality and many more ideas, none of them providing confident results. Although if we take current research into account, it would appear that genetics plays some part in at least some men who identify as gay. What else determines it? Is it a constant like eye-colour or is it flexible? Who knows.


Hey Frigid. The study is right here, if you are curious: http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/668167

I diagonally red it a couple of years ago. They looked at "androgenic signaling", that is levels of testosterone in human embryos from other studies and made a theoretical model of how that will affect regulation of genes that are involved in sexual development. I don't completely agree with what they concluded either. But I do think most of cases of homosexuality is innate, mostly from personal experience.

You said it yourself, there are tons of studies on this, but I at some point stopped following them. I was secretly hoping a cure will be found, and I can become straight someday, but I gave up that hope and stopped reading about it. Maybe there were more interesting things published. You sound like you know some science, maybe you can share something.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Paragon » 21 February 2014, 23:05

^ That's one of the articles I read when I researched epigenetic influence on (male) homosexuality.

For the non-scientists, epigenetics is when the expression of genetic code is influenced by (and sometimes requires) environmental input. So the potential is there in the genes, but it depends on what happens after the genes are combined whether or not gayness erupts.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby hatiko » 22 February 2014, 23:22

I wonder if the genes responsible for sexual behavior are even found... Probably not because the last time I checked the biochemical pathways were unknown. But that would be a good therapeutic target!
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Nam » 14 March 2014, 02:06

I personally think that it is more a genetically determined thing than socialisation, however socialisation can affect "signs and symptoms" (excuse the terms but I couldn't think of a better way of phrasing it!).

for example, a person I knew was gay; he was in my year at school, had similar personali characteristics, lived in the same area as me, lived in similar socio-economic conditions as me and also had two sisters and a brother just like me. His parents were proper liberal, love-everyone types who were very particular about making sure he knew about everything and were actually the only people I have seen that never assumed sexuality- they always said stuff like "your boyfriend or girlfriend" etc. Considering the neighbourhood-I am surprised they survived that long! Anyway, he was at home with his sexuality and had no problems with it and last i heard was in the same relationship he was in at the age of 15-which he kept a secret during school.

Me on the other hand, well, my family was the opposite-sexuality was not mentioned at all, there was a strong leaning toward homophobia in the family and I was raised without ever speaking about emotions and stuff like that. Sexuality was not taught in our schools- the mandatory sex-ed class was the one off class where we saw a condom being applied to a bannana so not too enlightening.

Anyway, I, although I guess i was gay from the start, didn't know it. I knew I looked at guys and felt a certain way toward them than I did others but I didn't know that was not what everyone else did. Later, when it came to relationships, I found them very difficult as i am not very emotional or intimate, plus I was still having problems with accepting that I was gay (and still do in a way!).

So after seeing the differences between me and that guy, and the other experiments and stories from other people, it makes me think that its "learnt" behaviour-you have your biological make up which dictates your sexuality, though its learning from people around you that teaches you how to act upon those feelings; just in the same way we pick up language and skills. This could explain away the little argument that gays "turn" people gay- no one is turned, but they pick up how to live according to their feelings! Like me- I didn't learn how to 'be gay' so to speak until I was exposed to it in my late teens where as the other guy knew early on. Same with how in strict religious communities there could be less gay people-they don't know they are or if they do, they keep it quiet.

Anyway, thats my view.. excuse the essay!
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Davis » 14 March 2014, 20:11

I believe that society molds you. I think your experiences and the people you're around help to form your sexuality.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby senseofanending » 30 April 2014, 19:20

I honestly have no idea. I never even thought about being gay/bisexual until I met the first lad I fancied. It really took me by surprise at the time.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Mayinjur » 1 May 2014, 23:51

An interesting point someone made earlier was displaying "symptoms" of gay behaviour, or to rephrase more gently (the poster already noted the unsuitable term used) - a person who fits the gay stereotype.
While it may be convincing to the majority of people you speak to on a daily basis, there is no axiom between fitting an assumed stereotype and possessing the quality which it claims to indicate; acting 'gay' does not mean you are gay.
The qualities described in the post were of typical behaviours such as being overly clean, displaying interest in feminine dolls as a child, and not being as aggressive as other boys. I would put forward the suggestion that these are not symptoms of sexuality but should be thought of as the product of developmental factors.
A common example, also noted in an earlier post, is the situation of an absent father and an overbearing mother. Developing children will form their 'working model' using the relationships formed early on; it is therefore reasonable to suggest that a child raised by a single parent, even if additional input by other adults is present i.e. parent's friend, will learn the habits and behavioural traits of that influence.

A major reason against determinism from observed behaviour; that boy plays with a barbie like a girl therefore he will like boys too, is the existence of non-stereotypical homosexuals. I include myself in this group but I acknowledge some of my traits are also considered to be feminine when examined in a vacuum.

Regarding sexual orientation, I personally believe (<-- important term because I have not found any compelling research to support or dismiss this belief) that all humans are born bi-sexual and then socialisation essentially eliminates one of those attractions based on your sex/gender. The scientific evidence I have seen however, would suggest that biology plays a big role in your sexuality with convincing case studies of twins and mothers with multiple gay sons.

To end on a somewhat interesting point; homosexuals (even accounting for those who do not identify) belong to a minority of human sexuality. Whatever causes homosexuality is a deviance from the norm, which must have certain 'alignments of factors' that trigger this state. I am not for one second stating that homosexuality is undesirable or unnatural, quite the opposite; it must be natural because it naturally occurs in animals and humans alike, but I am saying is there is a huge difference between characteristics of behaviour and characteristics of sexual orientation.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 2 May 2014, 18:04

I was recently watching this hour-long interview with an evolutionary biologist who was saying that it's possible, especially given his research, that early homosexual encounters in one's sexual development can produce imprinting on an individual, but only if you're male. The same, of course, could be true of someone who was going to be genetically gay but had an early heterosexual experience and caused imprinting later manifesting in heterosexual sexual arousal. For some reason I feel that's probably true for me, although I can't possibly know just from mere weak-sauce anecdotes but I did have a gay sexual incident early in my life. When I was a wee lad my cousin who was a year older than me dared me to do all sorts of homoerotic things, like show our peens to each other. It culminated with him pulling down his pants, spreading his ass cheeks and having me kiss right next to his hole. I followed along and we got caught by our grandmother. I don't think I've ever told this story to anyone. Thinking back to it now it was kinda hot, really. I should have eaten that ass. Oh well. Live and learn.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Derek » 2 May 2014, 18:20

poolerboy0077 wrote:I was recently watching this hour-long interview with an evolutionary biologist who was saying that it's possible, especially given his research, that early homosexual encounters in one's sexual development can produce imprinting on an individual, but only if you're male. The same, of course, could be true of someone who was going to be genetically gay but had an early heterosexual experience and caused imprinting later manifesting in heterosexual sexual arousal. For some reason I feel that's probably true for me, although I can't possibly know just from mere weak-sauce anecdotes but I did have a gay sexual incident early in my life. When I was a wee lad my cousin who was a year older than me dared me to do all sorts of homoerotic things, like show our peens to each other. It culminated with him pulling down his pants, spreading his ass cheeks and having me kiss right next to his hole. I followed along and we got caught by our grandmother. I don't think I've ever told this story to anyone. Thinking back to it now it was kinda hot, really. I should have eaten that ass. Oh well. Live and learn.

I had a very similar experience when I was five, except it was with a girl (and she wasn't my cousin).

I think there would be evidence if experiences liked that shaped orientation.
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