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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby René » 4 February 2013, 12:57

Josiemonster wrote:
Adam88 wrote:I think it's just a matter or preference. Some guys like blond girls, some guys like guys....

That's a given. The question was why. Is it genetics or environmental.

Perhaps Adam, in his own way, was trying to suggest that the question is no more pertinent or worthwhile than the same question asked about other preferences that we seem to take for granted.

Bluemonster wrote:Do you think people are born liking the colour blue? Or do you think it's environmental factors?

Can someone 'start' to like the colour blue?
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Wallace » 4 February 2013, 13:03

Adam88 wrote:I think it's just a matter or preference. Some guys like blond girls, some guys like guys....

That's a horrible analogy. Sexuality and preferences are two totally different things! It supposed to be some guys like blonde girls, some guys like brunette girls. Those are preferences for heterosexual men. Same can be apply to homosexual men: some guys like blonde guys, some guys like brunette guys.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby baileyscheesecake » 12 February 2013, 23:12

Wallace wrote:
Adam88 wrote:I think it's just a matter or preference. Some guys like blond girls, some guys like guys....

That's a horrible analogy. Sexuality and preferences are two totally different things! It supposed to be some guys like blonde girls, some guys like brunette girls. Those are preferences for heterosexual men. Same can be apply to homosexual men: some guys like blonde guys, some guys like brunette guys.

Are they, though? We box people into categories to try and make sense of things, but isn't gender really just another preference? I mean, I identify as gay because I only sleep with men, would only have a relationship with men, but I quite enjoy kissing women, even while sober. In contrast, I know a guy who could never kiss a girl sober ever, but on certain drugs he enjoys sex with women, whereas even on E or something I could never shag a girl. If gender preference isn't absolute, then it's more similar to our other preferences than we give it credit for. Sexuality is just this endless spectrum of differing possibilities, and our sexual orientations (must like our tastes in men or women) are really more guidelines than actual rules.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 13 February 2013, 08:34

René wrote:Firstly, it is important to realise that a lot of people are neither exclusively heterosexual nor exclusively homosexual but are something in between.

Secondly, I think research has shown quite clearly that there are both genetic factors and environmental factors involved. (Note, though, that things like hormonal influences in the womb are considered an environmental factor, so you could theoretically say that someone is "born gay" due to environmental factors in the womb.)

We know that monozygotic ("identical") twins often have the same sexual orientation (taking the term to mean whether someone is mainly heterosexual, mainly homosexual, or roughly equally heterosexual and homosexual), but not always, and that they are more likely to have the same sexual orientation than dizygotic (fraternal) twins.

If it was all genetics, MZ twins would always share the same sexual orientation.
If it was all environment, MZ twins would be as likely to share the same sexual orientation as DZ twins.

We know that the truth lies in between. Therefore both genetics and environment must play a role.

As for 'turning' gay, one needs to realise that while we do not choose our sexual orientation, we do choose how we identify ourselves, and our attractions are not necessarily clear from the start. It is possible for a bisexual person (using the term loosely) to be inclined towards heterosexual interactions due to societal pressure, and to later decide or discover that he's mainly interested in people of the same sex.

Sexual orientation is thought to be pretty much fixed throughout someone's life, but if someone says he's gay, that says a lot more about his intended future interactions than it does about his sexual orientation per se.

Have you come across any studies on the effects of socialization on sexual orientation?
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Adam88 » 14 February 2013, 04:14

Everyone knows people are gay because jesus hates us. :D
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby acpro » 14 February 2013, 04:31

It has always been my belief that people are not born gay. Rather, something more sinister is at work; a wacky, wavy, inflatable arm man. I believe that each time an innocent heterosexual child brushes up against one of the deviant wacky, wavy, inflatable arm man's arms, the child (and even some adults) becomes an ass fucking, limped wrist, man groping homosexual. I have submitted a picture of a wacky, wavy, inflatable arm man waiting patiently for his prey below:

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Beware of the wacky, wavy, inflatable arm man. Beware of the liberal elite, over educated scientists, and the anecdotal accounts from homosexuals; No one is born gay.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Josiemonster » 14 February 2013, 09:28

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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby onegin » 22 February 2013, 01:13

No, I don't think so. It came naturally when we were living in this world. So, just enjoy :)
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby AssassinAngel » 23 February 2013, 07:48

René wrote:Firstly, it is important to realise that a lot of people are neither exclusively heterosexual nor exclusively homosexual but are something in between.

Secondly, I think research has shown quite clearly that there are both genetic factors and environmental factors involved. (Note, though, that things like hormonal influences in the womb are considered an environmental factor, so you could theoretically say that someone is "born gay" due to environmental factors in the womb.)

We know that monozygotic ("identical") twins often have the same sexual orientation (taking the term to mean whether someone is mainly heterosexual, mainly homosexual, or roughly equally heterosexual and homosexual), but not always, and that they are more likely to have the same sexual orientation than dizygotic (fraternal) twins.

If it was all genetics, MZ twins would always share the same sexual orientation.
If it was all environment, MZ twins would be as likely to share the same sexual orientation as DZ twins.

We know that the truth lies in between. Therefore both genetics and environment must play a role.

As for 'turning' gay, one needs to realise that while we do not choose our sexual orientation, we do choose how we identify ourselves, and our attractions are not necessarily clear from the start. It is possible for a bisexual person (using the term loosely) to be inclined towards heterosexual interactions due to societal pressure, and to later decide or discover that he's mainly interested in people of the same sex.

Sexual orientation is thought to be pretty much fixed throughout someone's life, but if someone says he's gay, that says a lot more about his intended future interactions than it does about his sexual orientation per se.


^^This! I think that an individual may be born gay as well as be born straight or bisexual and later, under some epigenetic factor, turn bisexual or gay or even asexual. It's a lot up to someone's personal experience troughout life, as well as it is up to some genetic factors because without them, there would have been no predisposition for someone experiencing attraction towards people of the same sex. It is known that monozygotic twins may have different sexual orientations. Since monozygotic means that they have the same genetic material, it is to expect that they both have same sexual orientation, but it does not have to be the case. So this is the best proof that epigenetics play an important role in forming one's sexual orientation.
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As for me, I thought I liked girls only till I was 10, but I also had experienced in a few occasions when I was like 3 or 4 that I find other, few years older guys, attractive. However, due to the way I was raised and a conservative envinronment where boys are expected to fall in love with girls and the opposite, I thought I only admired them and wanted to be like them. Till the age of 10 I thought I liked girls only. Soon, I got my heart broken by a girl I was really in love with and, for about a year, I was not able to experience any sort of attraction towards both girls and boys. I was worried that I would stay this way for the rest of my life. However, a year after I started to feel a huge desire to hang out and befriend a guy from my class, that, deep in inside, I knew I found attractive, but as I was taught that a boy is supposed to like a girl and I thought that homosexuality happens only to somebody else, I never looked on it in that way and I thought that I only wanted to become his friend. It all changed when I imagined the two of us lying on the beach making out. Then I thought to myself: ''Oh my God, I'm gay!'' I accepted it soon because I knew there was not much I could do, but I told nobody about it. Lately, over the last two or three years, I started to find girls attractive again, both physically and emotionally, and I even flirted with some girl I liked, but never got any further because I was affraid that my new-old feelings might soon fade away. All in all, I think that I generalised female gender just by those bad experiences in my early life and now I'm regaining a trust in female gender again and that's why I'm more open to girls again. I consider myself bisexual, but I find guys a lot more appealing than girls however.

Apollo wrote:But basically, epigenetics is about factors outside of the genetic code that affect how genes are expressed. So in this instance, the potential for homosexuality exists in a larger population, perhaps even everyone. But factors within the womb and elsewhere determine whether or not that potential is expressed.


I agree that a major of population (if not everyone) has such genetical predispositions, but it's up to epigenetics whether it's not or it is going to activate and show sometime during the life or pre-natal development. A very recent study says that mothers who have a surplus of estrogen in their bodies tend to transmit some to their child, because keeping it in their bodies might lead to health problems for a mother. What happens with male fetuses is that mother transimts some more estrogen (female sexual hormone) to a male fetus which then feminizes it and the baby may be attracted to the same sex.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Elven11 » 23 February 2013, 16:08

i was born me.....I may be gay but anything could happen in my life and I could turn str8 but then id be BI......pretty confusing I know but they are labels and labels are training wheels for your brain.....a human is capable of love is all i need
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Elven11 » 23 February 2013, 16:12

if society says your gay you will identify youself as a gay man and hang around other gay men with common interests, we are all subject to our environment as mutable creatures.....what ppl need to understand is society is a template of life nothing more.....it does not own you...you can choose to be put in your place and fall in line or you can put yourself in your own place and make your own mind up on who you are
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby DannyZ » 25 February 2013, 19:10

On the identical twins point, I can confidently say that my identical twin brother is definitely straight (and that I'm gay). It is fair to assume that it is both genetics and environment... my family has a large number of gay guys (no lesbians in it). Consequently, it also so happens that of the guys that are gay, all but one (myself being the exception) were the second, third, or fourth male child in the family. It could be the case where genetics does play a role in predisposing one to being gay, given the correct environmental conditions. However, to say that there is a definitive "gay gene" that one, if in possesion of said gene, must be gay is likely false.

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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Josiemonster » 25 February 2013, 19:12

DannyZ wrote:On the identical twins point, I can confidently say that my identical twin brother is definitely straight (and that I'm gay). It is fair to assume that it is both genetics and environment, however. My fammily has a large number of gay guys (no lesbians in it)... it also so happens that of the guys that are gay, all but one (myself being the exception) were the second, third, or fourth male child in the family. It could be the case where genetics does play a role in predisposing one to being gay, given the correct environmental conditions. However, to say that there is a definitive "gay gene" that one, if in possesion of said gene, must be gay is likely false.

Thats really interesting! wow. it's amazing how things work isn't it?

edit: just realised that sounded horribly sarcastic - didn't mean to. I do genuinely find it interesting!
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby TTU20 » 27 February 2013, 23:29

When I was aware of any sort of attraction, I knew right away I was attracted to the same sex.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby ShutUpAndBeHappy » 6 March 2013, 19:21

No, I do not believe people are born gay.

I do not believe that people are born with sexual feelings for one or both genders. I believe that these are norms that society pushes on young people, and that there are factors that contribute in order to make a person "gay." This is, however, not something that can be altered by therapy or anything like that. I would say, though, that I believe sexual attractions change throughout a person's life in ways unknown to science.


I can remember being really into girls. I had girlfriends. I never had a long-lasting relationship because I was only like 12. I knew that I was sexually attracted to girls and not to boys. I started liking guys at 14, and then liking only guys at the age of 16. I'm now 18. I love boys, and would identify as "gay," though to be honest I feel my attraction to girls coming back.

I also honestly believe that the psychological effects of my parents' divorce and my "daddy issues" had a lot to do with it.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Aspienaut » 14 March 2013, 17:13

To be honest i think it is a rather stupid question. When you read about the suicides of gay teens and the self loathing that can occur due to belonging in a much shunned minority, i think the question of whether it is genetic or not is pretty self evident. I have no sexual attraction towards the female sex whatsoever. I also have green eyes rather than the more common blue or brown. I didnt choose this though, i swear!
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby baileyscheesecake » 15 March 2013, 07:58

Aspienaut wrote:To be honest i think it is a rather stupid question. When you read about the suicides of gay teens and the self loathing that can occur due to belonging in a much shunned minority, i think the question of whether it is genetic or not is pretty self evident. I have no sexual attraction towards the female sex whatsoever. I also have green eyes rather than the more common blue or brown. I didnt choose this though, i swear!

Just because it's not genetic doesn't mean it's a choice. We have no control over our accents, which sounds we can/can't produce as adults, what foods we do/don't like... none of those things are genetic.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby Adam88 » 15 March 2013, 11:26

I think my ex at least had a hand in tipping me from mostly straight to mostly gay. Fukken wominz man....
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby AlwayzHorny » 19 March 2013, 14:12

No but they can grow up to be gay from being a toddler.
My best friends Girlfriend she did a topic on this subject sort of thing,
the polyesters in plastics etc, i cant really remember the ins and out of it but the plastics in it, (scientifically) could significantly increase the chances in become gay/lesbian if the boy is given a girls toy to play with and girl a boys toy to play with.

(something like that) I'm not sure 100% but i remember talking about it with her, and it's quite fascinating topic, but I'm sure someone here knows and could help me say the right things cos I'm 50% sure what I just said is wrong, but the basis of it is correct.
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Re: Do you think people are born gay?

Unread postby René » 19 March 2013, 16:40

AlwayzHorny wrote:No but they can grow up to be gay from being a toddler.
My best friends Girlfriend she did a topic on this subject sort of thing,
the polyesters in plastics etc, i cant really remember the ins and out of it but the plastics in it, (scientifically) could significantly increase the chances in become gay/lesbian if the boy is given a girls toy to play with and girl a boys toy to play with.

(something like that) I'm not sure 100% but i remember talking about it with her, and it's quite fascinating topic, but I'm sure someone here knows and could help me say the right things cos I'm 50% sure what I just said is wrong, but the basis of it is correct.

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