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Re: Gay pride tattoo for straight guy?

Unread postby PopTart » 30 March 2022, 02:34

Derek wrote:
PopTart wrote:Japan, Japan is such a repressive society in general. Japan is the land where more women watch male/male romance anime, than gay men do, because men traditionally show more care and affection towards other men, than they do towards women.

Is that why yaoi is a thing? I'm not sure, I think plenty of non-Japanese women like yaoi too. In middle school I was friends with a girl who drew her own.

Yeah, yaoi and the less sexual boys love is directly marketed towards female audiences in Japan. As to the way women were regarded by men historically in Japan. I think its a matter of academic record at this point. Japanese men regarded their wives and families in general, as duties that had to be attended too. A wife had a role to play, a very specific role and a husband had his but culturally, other men were regarded as equals. Not as an obligation. Japanese women would often complain of their husbands being distant, emotionally detached, when troubles arose they didn't confide in their wives but in the piers.

pozzie wrote:My only purpose in bringing up the other countries of which I feel a connection was to say I've experienced more than the country of my birth. Additionally, each of the places I've called home has been unique. I would also say that the different parts of the US I've lived in have also had differences in treatment of LGBTQ people.

And lest we forget, I recall that there was a fair amount of vitriol in France when they extended marriage to same gender couples.
yet each of the countrie you use as examples are, either culturally divided or culturally conservative. France? One of the most Conservative Catholic nations of Europe, it might be secular now, but you don't shake off a thousand years of Catholic influence with a bloody revolution, a love of smoking and sexual promiscuity (for men atleast)
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Re: Gay pride tattoo for straight guy?

Unread postby pozzie » 30 March 2022, 05:08

I wonder how many LGBTQ people on the planet - even in some of the more 'advanced' democracies - still have to deal with social stigma and outright discrimination. I have no doubt homophobia is alive and well regardless of whatever LGBTQ rights laws are on the books.
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Re: Gay pride tattoo for straight guy?

Unread postby PopTart » 30 March 2022, 13:14

Oh I'm certain that many gay people on the planet suffer a great deal. Any gay man or woman in an Islamic state for example.

Want to make a Real difference? Don't get a tattoo, make a donation to a charity that helps people in those places. That is making a statement that counts. Ofcourse, it's alot harder to advertise your virtue when you make anonymous charitable donations, for brown people in far off places who can't or won't thank you profusely.

Want to let other people know how open minded and tolerant you are and thus garner good boy points? Sure, get a tattoo. Gotta get some of that sweet sweet moral currency by acknowledging other peoples "struggle"
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Re: Gay pride tattoo for straight guy?

Unread postby René » 30 March 2022, 13:52

PopTart wrote:Oh I'm certain that many gay people on the planet suffer a great deal. Any gay man or woman in an Islamic state for example.

Especially those pressured to transition to the opposite gender because that's considered more acceptable to God/Islam. :runaway:
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Re: Gay pride tattoo for straight guy?

Unread postby PopTart » 30 March 2022, 14:23

René wrote:
PopTart wrote:Oh I'm certain that many gay people on the planet suffer a great deal. Any gay man or woman in an Islamic state for example.

Especially those pressured to transition to the opposite gender because that's considered more acceptable to God/Islam. :runaway:

Yeah, I've actually heard some western people talk positively about that. Scary as fuck.
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Re: Gay pride tattoo for straight guy?

Unread postby pozzie » 30 March 2022, 19:33

I'm guessing some of us don't really identify with the body art culture given some comments here. I can only lay claim to understanding the concept some purport lies behind it.

I wanted and got a tattoo. Not something particularly meaningful prior and not sure exactly how and why the whole thing came up (twenty years ago come June) but let's say stars aligned, I had a good recommendation, and I was in a locale where overhead was way lower than back home but hygiene was still high. And no, no alcohol or drugs were involved. It wasn't really a situation that allowed for consulting with an artist to design something original, so I just found something that I really liked in his idea books and went with that. My friends thought I was nuts and told me so repeatedly but their adult daughter went with me to watch -- she thought it was cool.

Now I can't see myself getting another unless it was done by a friend who was practicing or creating art for art's sake. If that were to happen, there might be some highly personal designs I'd like to explore, but since I'm almost always in long sleeves and long pants outside my home, it wouldn't be for anyone else but me.

BTW, I can't say what my tattoo is -- I don't really know, but I think of it as a highly stylized Kokopelli after the "tribal" style. I got it on my inner forearm closer to the elbow. It's about 3" x 1". I also joke that it looks like a 'tribal' Pokemon character when viewed horizontally.
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Re: Gay pride tattoo for straight guy?

Unread postby PopTart » 30 March 2022, 20:20

I have tattoos, I get that tattoos can have meaning. But the OP clearly wants it to be known that he supports lgbt people in our struggle.

If he really wants to do that, volunteer someplace, at charity or support group. Donate.

There's symbols and then there is action.
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Re: Gay pride tattoo for straight guy?

Unread postby str8m8 » 31 March 2022, 22:12

I'm split 50/50 about getting this tattoo, which I probably should have said only makes up about 10% of the total artwork I am booked in for.

My main worry initially was that this kind of tattoo might cause offence because I am not LGBTQ+ myself. I hadn't considered that people might think I am virtue-signalling but I can see how this could be offensive if that's what is assumed.

CodyC, Derek and pozzie represented the kind of responses I had in mind - just plain old good feelings - so thank you for your positive words. It's nice to hear from people who give others the benefit of the doubt. The more sceptical mindsets that exist are unfortunate although entirely understandable.

Is there an age component to the different attitudes? Or perhaps it's to do with geography. I'm an Australasian child of the 70's/80's. I don't really think in terms of virtue-signalling. If someone says they stand for a good cause, I take that at face value. I expect the same. Perhaps I am naive. I have noticed millennials are far more sceptical about people's true intentions than older generations are.

I'd love to hear more opinions from people on this forum.

Thanks again to all. Your comments, positive and negative, all very helpful. Much love.
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Re: Gay pride tattoo for straight guy?

Unread postby str8m8 » 31 March 2022, 22:20

One other thing. I agree that contributing in other ways is a good thing to do. This is another matter though. Whether I have a tattoo or not shouldn't really impact on whether I contribute in other ways or not. I do contribute in other ways but I could do more.
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