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Unread postby Brenden » 7 November 2018, 09:41

acpro wrote:Did pekkle transition?

Yes, into a lesbian I believe.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby BlackBoi666 » 15 November 2018, 06:03

I abandoned religion at 13. and I will never go back to it.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby Cali Ed » 17 November 2018, 12:44

poolerboy0077 wrote:Well, Jesus was kind of a faggot so I just figured he'd be cool with it. I mean, seriously, he was always hanging around with 12 dudes all the time and not once did we ever see him in a relationship with a woman. Even Shawn Mendes has had beards to use as cover-ups.

Man, Shawn Mendes is so fucking hot. He's rare in that even though he's a total lisping, limp-wristed faggot (see any YouTube interview, even ones where he denies being a shirt-lifter), I still want him to top me hard. I don't believe in god, but I'd worship his chest, cock and asshole (the real holy /holey trinity). His copious load of jism is my sacramental wine.

The best part of being a gay atheist is you don't have to believe in all this religious pageantry of heaven and hell. The cold, cold ground cares not whether you copulated with men or women — it welcomes your lifeless body nonetheless into its subterranean embrace, your sentient existence lost to the sands of time, your corporeal being fuel for famished worms, your bones transmuted into dust and then nothingness until the time — mere decades most likely the way things are going — when the Earth celebrates the extinction of humanity. Then — when mankind lies beneath a watery grave, when a nuclear winter from World War III wasn't enough to reverse the climate change that melted the last iceberg — there's nobody above or below to judge you because you sucked a dick and you liked it.

So wave your rainbow flags now, and suck the cocks that still can be sucked.

I feel like that's some kind of Buddhist wisdom if the Buddhists were wise enough to install glory holes in their monasteries.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 17 November 2018, 15:13

Cali Ed wrote:I feel like that's some kind of Buddhist wisdom if the Buddhists were wise enough to install glory holes in their monasteries.

You reminded me more of Oberyn from Game of Thrones, minus the pandering to female beauty.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby Rym2018 » 6 December 2018, 20:08

Frankly, there is only one way to reconcile christianity with homosexuality; don’t do it. Having homosexual desires/temptations in and of itself is not a sin, but “doing” homosexual acts is. And this is true with any other sin; being tempted to sin is one thing, but sinning is the problem.

Other than that, if you want to live a homosexual lifestyle you either have to renounce your faith (as many have expressed doing) or admit you’re living in sin.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby Eryx » 6 December 2018, 21:01

That is up to interpretation, some Christian churches allow same-sex relationships, so one can be a practicing Christian and lead a gay life. Not for me personally, but it's out there.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby Szymonnikt » 6 December 2018, 21:01

Rym2018 wrote:Frankly, there is only one way to reconcile christianity with homosexuality; don’t do it. Having homosexual desires/temptations in and of itself is not a sin, but “doing” homosexual acts is. And this is true with any other sin; being tempted to sin is one thing, but sinning is the problem.

Other than that, if you want to live a homosexual lifestyle you either have to renounce your faith (as many have expressed doing) or admit you’re living in sin.


For many people to live fulfilling life is to be with that other person. So sex in a relationship and living together as a sin is stupid. Church doesn't forbid lust but life fulfillment.

But you are right church shouldn't change it. It is just another reason to show morality isn't objective and that church shouldn't be treated as a moral guide.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby Rym2018 » 6 December 2018, 21:25

Eryx wrote:That is up to interpretation, some Christian churches allow same-sex relationships, so one can be a practicing Christian and lead a gay life. Not for me personally, but it's out there.


You’re right, there are christian churches that allow same-sex relationships. But honestly, the bible is pretty clear and straightforward about the sinfulness of homosexual conduct. You have to do some serious mental gymnastics to arrive at the conclusion that the bible does not forbid homosexual conduct.

That’s why, in my opinion, there’s only two things you can do “IF” you believe the bible and have homosexual desires:
1. Don’t engage in homosexual activity
2. Engage in homosexual activity and admit you’re living in sin.

If you don’t believe the bible or if you have renounced your faith then there’s really nothing to reconcile.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby Rym2018 » 6 December 2018, 21:31

Szymonnikt wrote:
Rym2018 wrote:Frankly, there is only one way to reconcile christianity with homosexuality; don’t do it. Having homosexual desires/temptations in and of itself is not a sin, but “doing” homosexual acts is. And this is true with any other sin; being tempted to sin is one thing, but sinning is the problem.

Other than that, if you want to live a homosexual lifestyle you either have to renounce your faith (as many have expressed doing) or admit you’re living in sin.


For many people to live fulfilling life is to be with that other person. So sex in a relationship and living together as a sin is stupid. Church doesn't forbid lust but life fulfillment.

But you are right church shouldn't change it. It is just another reason to show morality isn't objective and that church shouldn't be treated as a moral guide.


Whether or not the church or the bible should be moral authorities is another issue. I was just answering the original question of how to reconcile being gay and accepting the church/bible as authority.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby azgayguy » 8 December 2018, 04:47

Another one of the great conflicts in my life. Grew up in a ultra conservative church with a gay minister preaching at us while doing it with us. So the minister that is supposed to help you overcome this takes you deeper into it. He did such a good job with the father figure thing that in my 50's I am just starting to have sex with people my own age, always went for older men.

I know it is said God only gives you the cross to bear that you can handle but this is a tough one to carry an entire life. Then there is the God loves the little children yet he doesn't strike dead the molesters in position of authority in the churches that screw up many kids that may face a eternity in a lake of fire. This is some pretty fucked up shit isn't it?
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby Tommiebee » 8 December 2018, 14:55

Rym2018 wrote:
Szymonnikt wrote:
Rym2018 wrote:Frankly, there is only one way to reconcile christianity with homosexuality; don’t do it. Having homosexual desires/temptations in and of itself is not a sin, but “doing” homosexual acts is. And this is true with any other sin; being tempted to sin is one thing, but sinning is the problem.

Other than that, if you want to live a homosexual lifestyle you either have to renounce your faith (as many have expressed doing) or admit you’re living in sin.


For many people to live fulfilling life is to be with that other person. So sex in a relationship and living together as a sin is stupid. Church doesn't forbid lust but life fulfillment.

But you are right church shouldn't change it. It is just another reason to show morality isn't objective and that church shouldn't be treated as a moral guide.


Whether or not the church or the bible should be moral authorities is another issue. I was just answering the original question of how to reconcile being gay and accepting the church/bible as authority.

However, that doesn't really address the question "how do you reconcile your religious belief..."
And given the quantity of statements within the bible that seem to tackle the issue, one is left wondering.
Certainly old testament verses rule out homosexuality in thought and deed.
The new testament verses - which are supposed to supplant the old testament - don't address it, some verses even implying that ANY sexual relations are bad. But then Paul states that it is "better to marry than to burn" referring to lust.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby lightnight » 9 December 2018, 14:04

I used to be religious as a kid, then years later I used to fight religious people on facebook comments (how badass) and now I just say "I accept you" to both religious people and other non religious people. I wouldn't mind if my friends wanted me to pray with them. I wouldn't mind making fun of religion with atheists. I admire the humility and charity that religion inspires in religious people and I admire the irreverence and openness and no-bullshit attitude that atheists have.

Coming out to myself was almost the entire reason why I started not identifying with religion, but I felt uncomfortable by religious people and certain aspects of religion way earlier too.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby Crisis_Jay » 9 December 2018, 15:21

I never felt guilty about being gay, but did the first time I acted on it. I was 21, still believed in God, prayed regularly.

Now I guess I'd be considered agnostic. I'm open minded and believe it's possible that God exists, but if he's really as depicted in the Bible it's not a god I'd want to follow. He appears way more "evil" than Satan in the texts, yet his followers go on about how loving he is. Al Pacino's speech in The Devil's Advocate sums up how I feel about it.

So I'm like fuck it, if he exists I wouldn't be in his good graces no matter who I am or how I choose to live my life and don't care.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby mxguy01 » 12 December 2018, 01:17

lightnight wrote:I used to be religious as a kid, then years later I used to fight religious people on facebook comments (how badass) and now I just say "I accept you" to both religious people and other non religious people. I wouldn't mind if my friends wanted me to pray with them. I wouldn't mind making fun of religion with atheists. I admire the humility and charity that religion inspires in religious people and I admire the irreverence and openness and no-bullshit attitude that atheists have.

Coming out to myself was almost the entire reason why I started not identifying with religion, but I felt uncomfortable by religious people and certain aspects of religion way earlier too.


One of the people I came out to was a moto buddy. I knew he and his family are pretty religious. First thing I asked was if they were Catholic LoL. But seriously, they are involved in a local church that does missionary type trips that are focused on helping people not changing them. I was really happy I did. I mean I don't talk about being gay much but it's obvious that he accepts me for who I am. And I'd say we are better friends but that's undoubtedly that I'm riding trail with him where I refused to ride trail before.

Funny you mentioned it. My buddies dad asked me to join them in a prayer before riding. He simply asked for us to be safe with a few religious phrases. I joined their circle, said amen at the end. I was not struck by lightning. Given my recent reactions people may assume I harbor hate for religion; I don't. I simply have zero tolerance for prejudices and the people who display them, religious or not. The problem with any group is that the most vocal people in those groups, the ones to get noticed, are the ugly ones.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby Red Star » 17 December 2018, 15:48

I usto be hardcore Christian and it made my self hate much worse than it already was.

The problem with Religion is it cuts you off to new downloads. The information given a long time ago does not apply to current times. I'm all for Spirituality though as it helps with being balanced.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby Koftruecross » 12 January 2019, 22:04

I did manage to reconcile my Christian beliefs with my homosexuality. But it was not by any means an easy process. It's a tale I can't tell unless I'm shit faced drunk. And it's even more bizarre than any of my other posts. I'm 57 years old now and at least for me somethings get easier the older I get. It wasn't like one day I said "Holy hallelujah. I'm saved." It was more like a life long process. One thing about it. If you get lost in these forests or back woods where I live if you didn't believe in God before you went in you sure as hell will believe before you find your way out. If truth be told it is a whole lot more complicated than what the preacher man says it is.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby Koftruecross » 12 January 2019, 22:29

Okay so Im old so I keep thinking of the past. When I was a young man I'd go to church early on Sunday morning and the preacher man would say, "Chris Bob I know you've been out Honky Tonking last night and NOW you have the unamitigated GALL to show your sinful face in my church on Sunday morning!" To which I replied, "Looky here preacher man. I'm the kind of man that goes out on Saturday night and I sow ALL of my wild oats. And then I come here to church Sunday morning and pray for CROP FAILURE," Then I said, "You all need to know how to SEPARATE the sin from the sinner." Then preacher man said, "Son... if you don't get on out of here I'm gonna separate your HEAD from your body!" And so it went. Story of my life.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby Koftruecross » 12 January 2019, 22:59

Besides I know a preacher man here that weren't all that sin free his own self. There's a hell fire and brimstone preacher here that used to get up on his pulpit and preach on about Sodom and Gamorrah And THEN he got caught literally red handed propisitioning a male under cover cop in a restroom of of a road rest area. And then when he went on trial he took the stand and lied his ass off after swearing on the bible that he'd tell the truth. First he said, "I can't pee unless I play with it first." And then he said he was afraid the undercover cop was an evil sodomite that was going to rape him if he didn't play along with him and "pretend" he was gay. Then the prosecutor asked him, "If you was truly afraid then how come you were NAKED!" The jury didn't buy the preacher man's lies and he was found guilty. The EX preacher's name is Willard LOVE. The headline in the newspaper the next day read, "LOOKING FOR LOVE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES." And then he's trying to tell ME how I should live MY LIFE!.....He should LIVE so long!
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 13 January 2019, 03:54

I don’t get why many of you see it as an impossibility to reconcile religious beliefs and homosexuality. My hermeneutical approach to the Bible facilitates such a link.
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Re: How did you reconcile you religious belief about being gay ?

Unread postby betonhaus » 14 January 2019, 00:47

I went to Catholic school. My religion teacher taught us the origin of the Bible, about how much of it was written long after the fact by several authors who were effectively historians compiling legends and passed down stories. That alone has led me to accept that the Bible should never be taken literally, as it was an attempt to pass down history - along with guidelines relevant to a society that did not have modern science and healthcare. We can do our best to learn from the bible and find ways to recognize what is still relevant - not being an asshole is pretty timeless. I believe that the focus on church should not be constantly declaring how much you believe in god - if you truly believe you shouldn't have to work so hard to prove it, it just becomes a fact in life - but instead church should focus on fostering a good community - making sure that everyone stays in contact and is willing to help each other out.

Additionally my argument would be that if we are going to hell then likely so are many other people, as the bible can be interpreted to ban things including sex outside of marriage and eating pork. Just means I have another stub for the bus.

And I have a hard time believing that an eternity in Hell will be agony. I'm not the same person i was years ago, and I won't be the same person years later. The mind is constantly changing, and faced with eternal torture I'll either develop a machochism fetish or will fall apart in an oblivion of my own mind. If they have a way to lock my mind so it doesn't do that (like a time loop maybe?) then I'd argue that person is no longer me and not even a person, but just an echo stuck on a loop incapable of any original thought. Our fear of pain and injury is based on the fact that when you lose an eye you don't get another, so in hell either you're just fighting to prevent disintegrating into nothing or you have the chance to get used to being horribly mutilated only to be fine the next day.

I don't really believe that my orientation will alter the path of my afterlife all that much. I spent a very long time trying to convince myself I'm straight before seeing that it was impossible, and I can't see god making me this way just to feed the fires in hell. Unless he's getting kickbacks, which has some interesting implications.
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