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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby betonhaus » 22 June 2021, 04:22

We could have an elective monarchy where we vote for kings who have the authority to have harems of men at their beck and call, you can do a stint of public service that just has you oiled up in a loin both ready to service the king (or him service you) when he's in the mood.
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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby Simple-user » 26 September 2021, 19:49

Ilikebeer12345 wrote:But come on u cant have a kingdom without constantly making new kids and sigh!


Hi! =)

About making kids: female surrogacy has not been canceled, and we would have technologies for growing children in test tubes. Regarding to heterosexual classical fertility\birth - for example can be dangerous due to incompatibility of blood groups, and I doubt heterosexuals think about this.

About for example Mars planet - theoretically think that women would be much easier off giving birth on Mars, because presumably the pelvic bones are better adapted to the gravity of Mars than to the Earth, i.e. the pelvis shouldn't be so stiff. And in the whole, scientists think that skeleton of a woman and a man is not adapted for Earth's gravity.

I read one experiment, where the subjects were placed in a dark room for a day, and as a result, the biological clock of the subjects adapted for 25 hours in time, while on Mars a day lasts about 25 hours.

Therefore I think that LGBT people would be more attentive to the birth of children, and I am sure that there would be no problems with fertility at all
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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby Simple-user » 26 September 2021, 20:46

pozboro wrote:Hmmm. Monarchy. Quaint idea from a millennium or two ago. Can't say I'm all that excited by the prospect.

However, I'd like my image to be on the smallest paper currency. Would love to spend eternity exploring g-strings and keeping drag queens in makeup.

As for the aliens, um, why do people always forget just how well that worked out the last time aliens came to a barbarian land? Or the vast majority of the hundreds of other first contacts? Doesn't work out terribly well for the locals, so maybe our odds would be better if we go there, not the other way around.


Hi ;)

I don't mean only Monarchy, I mean a state with any type of management. I read about an unsuccessfull attempt of LGBT Kingdom (which called "Kingdom") creation in Coral sea islands near Australia here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_and_L ... ea_Islands , and I was thinking quite many years to create my question.

Regarding aliens: I think what aliens only had contacts with heterosexuals. And I think, what LGBT-people are not prone to criminal vices and aliens could trust us much more than to heterosexuals; so, it would not be bad for us to communicate with them.

For example, what is bad if we could find, for example, how to completely eliminate COVID-19 (as we see, heterosexuals from over the world don't know, how to completely eliminate forever as this virus, as others, fully out of our atmosphere - supposedly, aliens did not show our planet such technologies)? Or, what is bad, if we could find, for example, an extraterrestial Gay-community from another oxygen planet? ))

I will write the second part of my opinion later.

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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby o.o.pickme » 26 September 2021, 20:54

McTaggartfan wrote:YES! Monarchy all the way! (And, yes, Brenden, I'm aiming this comment primarily at you.)

And while we're at it, let's return the UK to an absolute monarchy!


If we do a Monarchy we have to come up with a royal blood line, which means as a total mutt I'm f**ked! So it's peasantry for me. Just remember, when you can't get any of your royal-asses to help you out, I'm sure a peasant will be just fine and I'll be right there to suck it up for the country, but don't piss me off, you don't want a rebellion, those never end well.
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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby Simple-user » 28 September 2021, 15:31

Simple-user wrote:
Ilikebeer12345 wrote:But come on u cant have a kingdom without constantly making new kids and sigh!


Oh, sorry, I will correct some words for my previous post, here:

In this opinion - I forgot to write "kids" word: Regarding to heterosexual classical fertility\birth - for example can be dangerous due to incompatibility of blood groups (I mean, kids can be born defective), and I doubt heterosexuals think about this.

In this opinion - I forgot to write "scientists" word: About for example Mars planet - scientists theoretically think that women would be much easier off giving birth on Mars.
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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby Simple-user » 28 September 2021, 16:03

pozboro wrote:As for the aliens, um, why do people always forget just how well that worked out the last time aliens came to a barbarian land? Or the vast majority of the hundreds of other first contacts? Doesn't work out terribly well for the locals, so maybe our odds would be better if we go there, not the other way around.

Hi ;)

I would like to describe the second part of my opinion.

About last heterosexual space robotic expeditions to Mars: I can't understand, why people don't want to research Moon deeper, why don't want to terraform this sattelite? Our technologies even now allow to generate oxygen, and The Moon is small - so, terraforming would not be so resoursable. Moon located in the habitable area near Earth, so it would be comfortable to live there - just need to add oxygen. Mars and Venus are also located in habitable area, but why heterosexual began to research Mars with very big interest, while Moon is not researched? Maybe, some part of people know something much more about Mars - which the most people don't know... Scientists suppose what Mars has a lot of precious resources (so, it turns out what The Moon is empty?), plus scientists think, as I wrote their opinion in my previous post, what peoples' ancestors can be live in Mars, and for us, modern people, our bodies still would be more comfortable to live in Mars, than in Earth...

At the moment, I, with my small mind, can't understand, what heterosexuals have forgotten in Mars, on the red desert, where there is no oxygen?... And The Moon I consider as dust clot. It would make more sense to explore an exoplanet that already has oxygen.

About space and communication with aliens: I think it is not normal in 21th century, when we know much about space, use the space knowledge only for the weather forecast on a regular basis, and nothing else.

Would you please to provide web-links or YouTube channels, which you think - that it can contain reliable information about aliens? )

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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby Simple-user » 28 September 2021, 16:08

Brenden wrote::rofl:


Hi :)

Would you please to remane a part of my theme name from "Queer nationalism" to "Queer nation"? I think it will be sound more correctly than the first variant. Google earlier translated "nation" from my language only to "nationalism", but now I see what Google translate nation to nation.

Thank you!
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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby Brenden » 28 September 2021, 16:21

McTaggartfan wrote:YES! Monarchy all the way! (And, yes, Brenden, I'm aiming this comment primarily at you.)

And while we're at it, let's return the UK to an absolute monarchy!

Oh, I'd love a brief stint of absolutism! The regicide will be fun to watch; maybe they'll do it in Trafalgar Square! Then we can be rid of monarchy once and for all! :D

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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby pozboro » 28 September 2021, 19:38

Simple-user wrote:
Brenden wrote::rofl:


Hi :)

Would you please to remane a part of my theme name from "Queer nationalism" to "Queer nation"? I think it will be sound more correctly than the first variant. Google earlier translated "nation" from my language only to "nationalism", but now I see what Google translate nation to nation.

Thank you!


Even though Brenden posted, he might have missed this. You can change the topic title yourself - just go to your first post and edit the subject field. I just tested this on a topic I created, so know it works. ;)
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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby pozboro » 28 September 2021, 19:57

Simple-user wrote:Mars and Venus are also located in habitable area, but why heterosexual began to research Mars with very big interest, while Moon is not researched? Maybe, some part of people know something much more about Mars - which the most people don't know... Scientists suppose what Mars has a lot of precious resources (so, it turns out what The Moon is empty?),


A couple things. First, I don't think it's fair to assume the sexual orientation of all the scientists involved in off-earth exploration. While I don't specifically know that any of these scientists are or are not gay, making such assumptions about orientation are not helpful. Would we want people to make that assumption about us? I know it's something I've spent most of my adult life working against.

I only loosely follow off-earth exploration, but it's a topic that crosses my path enough that I do retain a bit of what I'm exposed to. So, second, I have seen concepts of using the Moon as a staging point for Mars (and beyond) exploration. One reason the Moon might prove useful is the much lower gravity and lack of an atmosphere make it easier to exit the body's gravitational field. But one big drawback to the Moon is the lack of water or the building blocks of water. Therefore they have to be brought to the Moon or made there. Maybe someone with more knowledge can offer a suggestion of how water can be made on the Moon.

Mars holds more interest, not because it's easier to get to, but because there is strong support for the presence of water on Mars. Current missions are looking for it and have found evidence for it in the geology. However, Mars is much more difficult to get to both because of distance but also because of current technology.

We terrestrials take water for granted. It's relatively abundant unless we're crossing the Sahara. Taking just your drinking water for such a short trip - when compared to traveling to Mars - would be a challenge.
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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby PopTart » 30 September 2021, 15:47

McTaggartfan wrote:And while we're at it, let's return the UK to an absolute monarchy!
That would actually be a first. The UK has never been an absolute monarchy. England might have been to some minor degree, under the norman kings, but that was shortlived to say the least and after magna carta, no English king (or Queen!) could claim to sit at the head of an absolutist state.

betonhaus wrote:We could have an elective monarchy where we vote for kings who have the authority
Sooo. gay Putin? :lol:
Since, unless the role is for life, it's not really a monarchy.

o.o.pickme wrote:If we do a Monarchy we have to come up with a royal blood line
It doesn't have to be hereditary.

pozboro wrote:One reason the Moon might prove useful is the much lower gravity and lack of an atmosphere make it easier to exit the body's gravitational field. But one big drawback to the Moon is the lack of water or the building blocks of water. Therefore they have to be brought to the Moon or made there. Maybe someone with more knowledge can offer a suggestion of how water can be made on the Moon.
With enough power? The moon is laden with Hydrogen and oxygen. Combine the two, you got water. Ofcourse there are a fair few other ways to get water as a byproduct of chemical reactions, some of the prerequisite resources for which, can be found on the moon. The Moon actually has quite alot of water on it's surface, the difficulty is in actually extracting it. It tends to be heavily mixed with the other particulates and silica the moon is composed of.

pozboro wrote:Mars holds more interest, not because it's easier to get to, but because there is strong support for the presence of water on Mars. Current missions are looking for it and have found evidence for it in the geology. However, Mars is much more difficult to get to both because of distance but also because of current technology.
Mars? More interesting? Hardly. :P Goodness knows what Musk is thinking.
I still struggle to undestand the fixation on Mars as a future candidate for colonisation. Venus has far better prospects. Ofcourse, Planets are really just the choice of last resort, often coming with a litany of hostile environments and harsh conditions, that are worse than even the most inhospitable locations of the earth. We would have an easier time, colonising the bottom of the ocean, or building a thriving city in Antartica. By a significant factor. These would be challenges to modern engineering and science as is. Terraforming Mars? The cost is likely to be prohibitively expensive and of questionable utility. It could take centuries. You could take the who planet apart in the same amount of time and find a better use for that material.

The better option by a long shot, is the construction of large scale space stations, in orbit around the sun. These we would be able to carefully control the environment and conditions in which we would live. They have the added benefit of being much cheaper to develop, safer in terms of the survival of the inhabitants (one can't just move a planet, easily atleast) and allowing for living space far in excess of all the planets of the solar system combined. Especially so if we build them out of... the planets of the solar system! :D

Planets should and likely will, eventually be relegated to being resource hoards for an ever growing cloud of space stations, each one a nation unto itself.


pozboro wrote:We terrestrials take water for granted. It's relatively abundant unless we're crossing the Sahara. Taking just your drinking water for such a short trip - when compared to traveling to Mars - would be a challenge.
Fortunately Mars has lots of water, I mean, not as much as the Earth, certainly. But then, there are plenty of asteroids in the asteroid belt, with enough water to support a growing space infrastructure.
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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby McTaggartfan » 1 October 2021, 21:32

PopTart wrote:
McTaggartfan wrote:And while we're at it, let's return the UK to an absolute monarchy!
That would actually be a first. The UK has never been an absolute monarchy. England might have been to some minor degree, under the norman kings, but that was shortlived to say the least and after magna carta, no English king (or Queen!) could claim to sit at the head of an absolutist state.

betonhaus wrote:We could have an elective monarchy where we vote for kings who have the authority
Sooo. gay Putin? :lol:
Since, unless the role is for life, it's not really a monarchy.

o.o.pickme wrote:If we do a Monarchy we have to come up with a royal blood line
It doesn't have to be hereditary.

pozboro wrote:One reason the Moon might prove useful is the much lower gravity and lack of an atmosphere make it easier to exit the body's gravitational field. But one big drawback to the Moon is the lack of water or the building blocks of water. Therefore they have to be brought to the Moon or made there. Maybe someone with more knowledge can offer a suggestion of how water can be made on the Moon.
With enough power? The moon is laden with Hydrogen and oxygen. Combine the two, you got water. Ofcourse there are a fair few other ways to get water as a byproduct of chemical reactions, some of the prerequisite resources for which, can be found on the moon. The Moon actually has quite alot of water on it's surface, the difficulty is in actually extracting it. It tends to be heavily mixed with the other particulates and silica the moon is composed of.

pozboro wrote:Mars holds more interest, not because it's easier to get to, but because there is strong support for the presence of water on Mars. Current missions are looking for it and have found evidence for it in the geology. However, Mars is much more difficult to get to both because of distance but also because of current technology.
Mars? More interesting? Hardly. :P Goodness knows what Musk is thinking.
I still struggle to undestand the fixation on Mars as a future candidate for colonisation. Venus has far better prospects. Ofcourse, Planets are really just the choice of last resort, often coming with a litany of hostile environments and harsh conditions, that are worse than even the most inhospitable locations of the earth. We would have an easier time, colonising the bottom of the ocean, or building a thriving city in Antartica. By a significant factor. These would be challenges to modern engineering and science as is. Terraforming Mars? The cost is likely to be prohibitively expensive and of questionable utility. It could take centuries. You could take the who planet apart in the same amount of time and find a better use for that material.

The better option by a long shot, is the construction of large scale space stations, in orbit around the sun. These we would be able to carefully control the environment and conditions in which we would live. They have the added benefit of being much cheaper to develop, safer in terms of the survival of the inhabitants (one can't just move a planet, easily atleast) and allowing for living space far in excess of all the planets of the solar system combined. Especially so if we build them out of... the planets of the solar system! :D

Planets should and likely will, eventually be relegated to being resource hoards for an ever growing cloud of space stations, each one a nation unto itself.


pozboro wrote:We terrestrials take water for granted. It's relatively abundant unless we're crossing the Sahara. Taking just your drinking water for such a short trip - when compared to traveling to Mars - would be a challenge.
Fortunately Mars has lots of water, I mean, not as much as the Earth, certainly. But then, there are plenty of asteroids in the asteroid belt, with enough water to support a growing space infrastructure.


That's disappointing! Why can't the UK simply become England? Rather like how I think the U.S. should just invade and take over Canada.
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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby PopTart » 1 October 2021, 21:39

McTaggartfan wrote:
PopTart wrote:
McTaggartfan wrote:And while we're at it, let's return the UK to an absolute monarchy!
That would actually be a first. The UK has never been an absolute monarchy. England might have been to some minor degree, under the norman kings, but that was shortlived to say the least and after magna carta, no English king (or Queen!) could claim to sit at the head of an absolutist state.


That's disappointing! Why can't the UK simply become England? Rather like how I think the U.S. should just invade and take over Canada.

Well, now you're definately trying to provoke Brenden. His inner scot will be seething at the mere suggestion.
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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby McTaggartfan » 1 October 2021, 21:40

PopTart wrote:
McTaggartfan wrote:
PopTart wrote:
McTaggartfan wrote:And while we're at it, let's return the UK to an absolute monarchy!
That would actually be a first. The UK has never been an absolute monarchy. England might have been to some minor degree, under the norman kings, but that was shortlived to say the least and after magna carta, no English king (or Queen!) could claim to sit at the head of an absolutist state.


That's disappointing! Why can't the UK simply become England? Rather like how I think the U.S. should just invade and take over Canada.

Well, now you're definately trying to provoke Brenden. His inner scot will be seething at the mere suggestion.


He and I have already had such arguments before :rofl:
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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

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McTaggartfan wrote:Rather like how I think the U.S. should just invade and take over Canada.


wow - someone has a really low opinion of Canadians and their right to self-determination

I've got no problem if Canada wants to hold a referendum and voters support a merger - the voters in the US could do the same

Invasions are ugly. Or did you miss Afghanistan and Iraq? Syria? Libya? the Falkland Islands? (yeah, you might be too young to remember that in real time)
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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby McTaggartfan » 1 October 2021, 22:58

pozboro wrote:
McTaggartfan wrote:Rather like how I think the U.S. should just invade and take over Canada.


wow - someone has a really low opinion of Canadians and their right to self-determination

I've got no problem if Canada wants to hold a referendum and voters support a merger - the voters in the US could do the same

Invasions are ugly. Or did you miss Afghanistan and Iraq? Syria? Libya? the Falkland Islands? (yeah, you might be too young to remember that in real time)


Lol

I don't seriously think we should invade Canada! In truth, I think most wars are unjustified, and especially when they're only for the accrual of territory.
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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby McTaggartfan » 1 October 2021, 23:01

pozboro wrote:
McTaggartfan wrote:Rather like how I think the U.S. should just invade and take over Canada.


wow - someone has a really low opinion of Canadians and their right to self-determination

I've got no problem if Canada wants to hold a referendum and voters support a merger - the voters in the US could do the same

Invasions are ugly. Or did you miss Afghanistan and Iraq? Syria? Libya? the Falkland Islands? (yeah, you might be too young to remember that in real time)


Also, age need not have much to do with one's crystalized intelligence, or stores of accumulated knowledge. I'm quite well aware of the United States' military history.
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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby McTaggartfan » 1 October 2021, 23:05

McTaggartfan wrote:
pozboro wrote:
McTaggartfan wrote:Rather like how I think the U.S. should just invade and take over Canada.


wow - someone has a really low opinion of Canadians and their right to self-determination

I've got no problem if Canada wants to hold a referendum and voters support a merger - the voters in the US could do the same

Invasions are ugly. Or did you miss Afghanistan and Iraq? Syria? Libya? the Falkland Islands? (yeah, you might be too young to remember that in real time)


Also, age need not have much to do with one's crystalized intelligence, or stores of accumulated knowledge. I'm quite well aware of the United States' military history.


Though I will admit to not knowing about whatever you're referring to in Libya.
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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby PopTart » 2 October 2021, 05:29

pozboro wrote:Invasions are ugly. Or did you miss Afghanistan and Iraq? Syria? Libya? the Falkland Islands? (yeah, you might be too young to remember that in real time)

Believe me when I say, I'm generally a non interventionist, but Aghanistan, was a changing nation during the last 20 years of allied occupation. I'm usually the last to say that change can be effectively imposed by outside forces, that such change must come from within a society, but just prior to allied abandonment, the way of life was changing for people in Afghanistan, women's liberties were increasing, homosexuality was less persecuted and more modern values were being expressed, without threat of legal consequence. Many Afghan spoke of the country becoming a demonstrably better place to live for everyone.

Now, the Taliban are slowly revoking the rights of women, gay people can once more be lawfully executed in the name of Allah and being atheist is a capital crime once more.

I honestly believe that another 20 years, might have seen a meaningful long term change in cultural attitudes, such that any attempt by the Taliban would have been met with stiffer resistance.

I still believe that Iraq was a disaster, Saddams brutality was all that kept the sectarian violence that has been endemic of the region, from tearing the nation and its people apart. When the US and UK toppled the regime with no clear plan for what should take it's place, it's no wonder that Iraq and the surrounding region fell into chaos.

Assad, Saddam and the Taliban, are/were tyrannical people and organisations.
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Re: Idea of LGBT Kingdom and Queer nationalism creation

Unread postby Derek » 2 October 2021, 05:43

It's a wonder that your country has spent over a hundred years invading Afghanistan and it still hasn't worked out.
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