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Is there a 'council estate' search tool online? To escape them...

Unread postby star_trek_geek » 1 February 2020, 00:52

I've lived near at least three council estates in my life. The first two I was too naive to think anything of it so happily moved in nearby- big mistake. Third was completely unintentional- I apparently didn't realise my new home was directly on the travelling path for all the council estate youths that live a distance away.

I'm tired of the constant problems & fear me and other residents have to live in (especially me as I get targeted by those types, and have been my whole life- before you ask why I get targeted I have no idea but I'm sure others go through it, I had to come to terms with it decades ago- I have a certain look? I just want to be left alone.). Council & police do nothing so I'd rather just live somewhere out of their way.

I know it's possible to escape them because I lived in a few areas where there were none of those types & my quality of life doubles or triples instantly.

I realise not all council residents are the same but there's almost *always* a gang or group of youths that cause problems, and as soon as they're gone a new lot move in. A lot of people wouldn't notice the problems because they seem to only target people with a certain look. I went through a phase of wearing hoodies & staring at the floor to avoid eye contact, which worked but it's extremely oppressing & you end up depressed, so I'd rather just be somewhere where I can be myself.
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Unread postby Derek » 1 February 2020, 00:56

You came to the right place. Finding residential areas without council estates for people who feel antagonized by gangs of youths is exactly what we do here.
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Unread postby star_trek_geek » 1 February 2020, 01:07

Derek wrote:You came to the right place. Finding residential areas without council estates for people who feel antagonized by gangs of youths is exactly what we do here.


Well it's a 'general discussion' area. Does it make you feel good to be sarcastic to make people feel small?
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Unread postby Derek » 1 February 2020, 01:13

star_trek_geek wrote:Does it make you feel good to be sarcastic to make people feel small?

Not normally. I guess I'm picking up on the same vibe you give off to those gangs of youths.
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Unread postby GaySpacePirateKing » 1 February 2020, 14:07

Just out of interest do they have council owned houses in the states? - I just assumed this guy was British.

Anyway I live in a council estate and I think he has something of a point even if this is a strange place to make it. They can be hell to live in because of anti-social neighbours, drug addicts and crime.

Not much you can do about it except avoiding certain streets or areas all together and staying away from gangs of youth or just ignoring them if they shout anything at you.
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Unread postby Eryx » 3 February 2020, 00:16

We don't have council estates here, and it's pretty easy to spot favelas from Google Maps, so that's a thought!
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Unread postby Brenden » 3 February 2020, 00:34

Eryx wrote:We don't have council estates here, and it's pretty easy to spot favelas from Google Maps, so that's a thought!

He feels scared for his life in a country with a homicide rate of 1.2 per 100,000 and you're suggesting he move to a country with a homicide rate 25 times that. :P

(Looking up that statistic though made me think holy shit and feel very worried for you, by the way.)
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Unread postby Brenden » 3 February 2020, 00:38

He should move to Saint Helena. About as far as you can get from the big scary British council estates while still being on British soil, and they haven't had a murder in like decades.
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Unread postby Eryx » 3 February 2020, 00:47

Brenden wrote:[(Looking up that statistic though made me think holy shit and feel very worried for you, by the way.)
It's weird here. Favelas aren't really Brazil, the gangs have their own laws and taxes and shit. They have businesses to take kids to and from school, they ensure shops are able to sell any kind of counterfeit or whatever they want by protecting them from the police, they keep power and water companies from going in and charging people properly because it's all stolen from the city grids. I'm pulling this out of my ass, but I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of homicides in Brazil were contained in favelas.

My day-to-day life is, for all intents and purposes, analogous to the experience I had visiting Europe or living in the US. There used to be more issues (real bad infrastructure, bad internet, shoddy transportation), but it's mostly better at this point. I'm very privileged for living in a capital city, in the most developed region of the country and with upper middle-class amenities. It's not as easy for the poor as it is for me to be a Brazilian everyday hahahah but even for those who are poorer, as long as they're living in good areas, it's not too concerning.

That's why Brazilians have kind of learned to deal with the news... We sort of feel like they're not talking about us. It's them. As I said, weird place.
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Unread postby Brenden » 3 February 2020, 04:55

Eryx wrote:
Brenden wrote:(Looking up that statistic though made me think holy shit and feel very worried for you, by the way.)

It's weird here. Favelas aren't really Brazil, the gangs have their own laws and taxes and shit. They have businesses to take kids to and from school, they ensure shops are able to sell any kind of counterfeit or whatever they want by protecting them from the police, they keep power and water companies from going in and charging people properly because it's all stolen from the city grids. I'm pulling this out of my ass, but I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of homicides in Brazil were contained in favelas.

My day-to-day life is, for all intents and purposes, analogous to the experience I had visiting Europe or living in the US. There used to be more issues (real bad infrastructure, bad internet, shoddy transportation), but it's mostly better at this point. I'm very privileged for living in a capital city, in the most developed region of the country and with upper middle-class amenities. It's not as easy for the poor as it is for me to be a Brazilian everyday hahahah but even for those who are poorer, as long as they're living in good areas, it's not too concerning.

That's why Brazilians have kind of learned to deal with the news... We sort of feel like they're not talking about us. It's them. As I said, weird place.

Well that's reassuring I suppose. Still seems crazy high, around 40% higher than Mexico, even if it's really mainly the favelas. In fact, since the population of the favelas is smaller, that'd make their rate significantly higher than the overall rate for Brazil. Looking at the regional rates for Brazil, it seems Rio Grande do Norte is currently the worst at an incredible 68.0 per 100,000 as of 2017, and seems to have risen precipitously year-over-year since it was just 9.0 in 2000.
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Unread postby Eryx » 3 February 2020, 05:04

The bad side of urbanization. The Northeast barely had anything in 2000, we were trying to get out of the world hunger map, now we're trying to control obesity. I'm very far removed from that reality though, RN is one of the poorest states in the country and all of the Northeast is facing issues.

São Paulo is trying to do what New York did and it's working, Belo Horizonte is very safe in general, with crime hotspots in favelas and the metro area. As I said, it's really different depending on where you are, Curitiba being one of the most interesting places, with very good numbers for the city itself but horrible statistics in their metro area.

Inequality is pretty much our brand at this point. You can travel 300 km between two neighbor cities with similar population sizes and see two entirely different countries. Ouro Preto (MG) and Campos de Jordão (SP) can be contrasted with Santo Antônio de Jesus (BA) and Itaituba (PA) and there's the difference, and the reason why Brazil can never be looked at like one unique thing.
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