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Re: To forum youngsters: Become an andrologist

Unread postby harel » 29 May 2020, 19:52

Frigid wrote:I find it disturbing that you’d involve a persons sexuality in their decision making for career choice within medicine. I wouldn’t want to see an andrologist who chose the path because he’s gay, I’d want to see one because they’re genuinely interested in the male reproductive system and how to treat problems with it.

Look, I have presented two motivations in my first post in the thread. Do not ignore the first of them.

I suppose that we lack andrologists and research in andrology, because it is difficult for both women and heterosexual men to work in this area. There are almost no female andrologists. Do women involve sexuality in their decision making for career choice within medicine? What do you think? I think that at the revealed level (controlled by SUPER-EGO) − they do not involve sexuality in their decision making for career choice within medicine. At the hidden ID level − this is likely to take place.

As I have mentioned, andrology should be attractive to medicine students, because there are often white spots in the knowledge. I agree with you that in an ideal world, there should be no differences in research funding on male and female diseases. As of now, they are observed.
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Re: To forum youngsters: Become an andrologist

Unread postby Magic J » 29 May 2020, 21:20

harel wrote:Do women involve sexuality in their decision making for career choice within medicine? What do you think? I think that at the revealed level (controlled by SUPER-EGO) − they do not involve sexuality in their decision making for career choice within medicine. At the hidden ID level − this is likely to take place.

Right, it's plausible that people do so, at least. But surely your mentioning of it has brought some of the Id's potential unconscious drives to the attention of the Superego in this case? As such, this has become a moral matter, hasn't it? A matter which cannot be waved away with reference to unconscious desires. Which was the point Frigid was making. :P
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Re: To forum youngsters: Become an andrologist

Unread postby harel » 29 May 2020, 22:49

Frankly speaking, I would prefer to talk about andrology, not about me or philosophy of life.

In my first post, I mentioned that there are scientific strengths of studying andrology ("payoffs" for Superego) and that this profession is likely to be less aesthetically difficult for nonheterosexual men (on average, app. neutral for their Id). I have never mentioned that it is going to be a great pleasure to examine andrological patients:
harel wrote:not/less aesthetically difficult

Because of this, I suppose that andrology is likely to be more, on average, attractive for nonheterosexual men than for women or heterosexual men:

Payoffs of: Gay men | Heterosexual men | Women
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Id | 0 | -1 | -1 |
Superego | +1 | +1 | +1 |

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Re: To forum youngsters: Become an andrologist

Unread postby Magic J » 29 May 2020, 23:02

I pity the straight male urologist.

"Doctor, you really must get a grip on yourself. You're an urologist, for Christ's sake, you're going to have to perform physical exams!"

"Ew no, not touching a guy's junk, that's gay lol".
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Re: To forum youngsters: Become an andrologist

Unread postby Choicespecs » 30 May 2020, 05:37

It seems that the vast majority of andrology is also covered in urology and oncology.

Also take a look at the pay scale. Andrologist seem to make considerably less than urologists.

https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Jo ... ist/Salary
https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Jo ... ourly_Rate

A high level urologist can make upwards off £300,000. While a high level andrologist would make £100,000.

I guess that does affect peoples choices. Why would I specialise in a very small field that wont make much money? I could broaden my knowledge and do nearly the same job and make over double the pay.

Gyneacology is a lot more complex than andrology. The special mechanics of child bearing needs highly specific knowledge. The woman reproductive system is vastly more complex than the males.

It seems that andrology is only a relatively new field with a high focus on fertility, sex and penis construction surgeries. But still a lot of that is can be covered by a urologist and/or oncologist.

Not saying that people shouldnt be andrologists, they are very needed. But I think some of these variables contibute to why andrology isnt a popular field. I dont think its to do with penises.
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Re: To forum youngsters: Become an andrologist

Unread postby harel » 30 May 2020, 10:33

Wow, it is interesting.
Choicespecs wrote:It seems that the vast majority of andrology is also covered in urology and oncology.

And endocrinology. :) Actually, what andrologists deal with are mostly testosterone and fertility therapies.

I agree with you that andrologists are likely to earn less than urologists. Note, the mentioned by you upwards from PAYSCALE.COM are average total salaries. Acc. to PAYSCALE.COM, the difference is MUCH lower, if you compare hourly wages. I suppose that some endocrinologists have reported to be hired as andrologists on a half-time basis.

I would say that the wage difference is attributable to the percentage of surgeons in andrology and urology. Surgeons are paid the most. And andrology is likely to be similar in the treatment methodology to endocrinology. Below are full-time wages:
Average-Annual-Physician-Compensation.png

Source: MedScape Physician Compensation Report, 2019

Actually, to understand what is more important for low interest in becoming an andrologist, we should carry out a survey. :) I suppose that both aesthetical difficulties and wages are important here. Frankly, I could not work as a surgeon (due to personality traits), so I will never become a well-paid urologist, cardiologist etc.
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Re: To forum youngsters: Become an andrologist

Unread postby Mod » 30 May 2020, 11:07

Magic J wrote:I pity the straight male urologist.

"Doctor, you really must get a grip on yourself. You're an urologist, for Christ's sake, you're going to have to perform physical exams!"

"Ew no, not touching a guy's junk, that's gay lol".


In our health system by the time someone is a specialist doctor they’ve been a Trainee Intern in trauma units, volunteered to help old people bathe, eat, and poo; and studied many stomach churning situations.
So don’t worry about that :p
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Re: To forum youngsters: Become an andrologist

Unread postby harel » 30 May 2020, 13:04

All joking aside, the reason, why I think that we need more research and physicians in andrology is the following:
harel wrote:A 2007 study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism revealed that in the United States since the 1980s the average testosterone levels have declined by about 1% per year. Nothing is done to stop this.

We men are going to have problems in several decades.
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Re: To forum youngsters: Become an andrologist

Unread postby Magic J » 30 May 2020, 16:40

harel wrote:We men are going to have problems in several decades.

I immediately thought "ah, this is surely due to aging population", but apparently the stats are age independent. Seems like a complicated issue, causally. Possibly in part due to the generally less physical nature of work for most people?
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Re: To forum youngsters: Become an andrologist

Unread postby Ander1969 » 30 May 2020, 17:31

As healthy adults, even doctors have sexual urges. They are not super human. You can't deny that, though a straight male doctor gets into gynecology to study and heal sickness, he still would get a little excited fingering 10 pussies a day. He's a healthy human being. I'd worry the day he stops getting a little excited.
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Re: To forum youngsters: Become an andrologist

Unread postby Derek » 30 May 2020, 17:41

Magic J wrote:
harel wrote:We men are going to have problems in several decades.

I immediately thought "ah, this is surely due to aging population", but apparently the stats are age independent. Seems like a complicated issue, causally. Possibly in part due to the generally less physical nature of work for most people?

It's the soy.

Ander1969 wrote:As healthy adults, even doctors have sexual urges. They are not super human. You can't deny that, though a straight male doctor gets into gynecology to study and heal sickness, he still would get a little excited fingering 10 pussies a day. He's a healthy human being. I'd worry the day he stops getting a little excited.

It makes perfect sense to me that this is your read on the situation.
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Re: To forum youngsters: Become an andrologist

Unread postby Magic J » 30 May 2020, 18:15

Ander1969 wrote:As healthy adults, even doctors have sexual urges. They are not super human. You can't deny that, though a straight male doctor gets into gynecology to study and heal sickness, he still would get a little excited fingering 10 pussies a day. He's a healthy human being. I'd worry the day he stops getting a little excited.

This post is truly cursed.

Derek wrote:It's the soy

I have it on good authority that its turning the frogs gay, don'cha know.
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Re: To forum youngsters: Become an andrologist

Unread postby Choicespecs » 30 May 2020, 21:15

Ander1969 wrote:As healthy adults, even doctors have sexual urges. They are not super human. You can't deny that, though a straight male doctor gets into gynecology to study and heal sickness, he still would get a little excited fingering 10 pussies a day. He's a healthy human being. I'd worry the day he stops getting a little excited.



Sounds like youre watching a lot of doctor porn and fetishising the situation.

It would be unproffesional if a doctor did that, and youre also assuming the woman wouldnt pick up on the change of "excitment". Im pretty sure if a doctor got excited he would lose his liscence.

Also I think a lot of people get desensitied and remain professional.
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Re: To forum youngsters: Become an andrologist

Unread postby harel » 30 May 2020, 22:14

Magic J wrote:
harel wrote:A 2007 study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism revealed that in the United States since the 1980s the average testosterone levels have declined by about 1% per year. Nothing is done to stop this.

I immediately thought "ah, this is surely due to aging population", but apparently the stats are age independent. Seems like a complicated issue, causally. Possibly in part due to the generally less physical nature of work for most people?

You are right, the results are age-adjusted. I suppose that nobody knows which factor is the most important here. For sure, the diet has a large impact (e.g. low- and high-processed diet). However, there are many theories. For example, I have read a study, which suggests that some male diseases might be attributable to environmental oestrogen levels. And these are elevated in some countries due to sex hormones taken by women: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3221291/ However, the methodology of this study is very simplistic. Hence, we need more researchers in andrology!

Aside from the topic, I like your forum avatar. It is so surreal.
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Re: To forum youngsters: Become an andrologist

Unread postby Ander1969 » 31 May 2020, 21:04

Choicespecs wrote:
Ander1969 wrote:As healthy adults, even doctors have sexual urges. They are not super human. You can't deny that, though a straight male doctor gets into gynecology to study and heal sickness, he still would get a little excited fingering 10 pussies a day. He's a healthy human being. I'd worry the day he stops getting a little excited.



Sounds like youre watching a lot of doctor porn and fetishising the situation.

It would be unproffesional if a doctor did that, and youre also assuming the woman wouldnt pick up on the change of "excitment". Im pretty sure if a doctor got excited he would lose his liscence.

Also I think a lot of people get desensitied and remain professional.


I would hope ALL doctors are professional and not act on these urges, but unfortunately this is not the case. Plenty of physicians are charged every year with a slew of inappropriate behaviour. That is a fact. Again, they are fallible human beings. They can't turn off the urges, just control them.
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Re: To forum youngsters: Become an andrologist

Unread postby harel » 16 October 2020, 15:46

Two more reasons to become an andrologist.

The lack of andrologists is especially concerning because there is a trend of decreasing male fertility. A systemic review by Levine et al. found that sperm counts decreased by approximately 50% between 1973 and 2011.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7226946/

However, even if this were to change, there would be an insufficient number of andrologists in the United States, where there are only approximately 200 andrologists
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7226946/
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