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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby René » 12 March 2018, 12:40

Justin wrote:
René wrote:1p-LSD

How does 1p compare to ALD-52?

// Justin

I've never tried ALD-52, and it's illegal here now. (I don't use illegal drugs.) But 1p-LSD should be basically identical to plain LSD because it doesn't fit into the 5-HT2A receptor and it has been confirmed to hydrolyse to LSD in humans.

I have used AL-LAD before, though, and that would be my favourite psychedelic. It's very visual — I get very few visual effects from most psychedelics, but with AL-LAD I get an amount of visuals that seems to be similar to what a normal person experiences on LSD at equivalent dosages (150 µg of AL-LAD is roughly equal to 100 µg of 1p-LSD in overall intensity), whereas some people find AL-LAD's visuals overwhelming.
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Re: What are you on right now?

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Something tells me the main drug I crave is adrenaline.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Jzone » 13 March 2018, 02:02

Call me old fashioned, but I am content with alcohol as the only mind-altering drug for me. I have a high tolerance and rarely take it to excess, but I enjoy a good buzz. Playing music with a group can also produce a nice high, and mixes well with alcohol. When I first started drinking more than one serving at a time -- well into my 20's -- I asked a sober friend what I was like when I was drinking. He thought for a moment and said, "You're just more you." Reducing inhibitions can be a good thing.

Of course, there is the dark side. Alcohol can end relationships, ruin lives, cause accidents or death. That goes for most addictive substances and activities. Moderate drinking also seems to be associated with longevity, so I'll drink to your health.
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Re: What are you on right now?

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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby René » 13 March 2018, 11:38

Jzone wrote:Call me old fashioned, but I am content with alcohol as the only mind-altering drug for me. I have a high tolerance and rarely take it to excess, but I enjoy a good buzz. Playing music with a group can also produce a nice high, and mixes well with alcohol. When I first started drinking more than one serving at a time -- well into my 20's -- I asked a sober friend what I was like when I was drinking. He thought for a moment and said, "You're just more you." Reducing inhibitions can be a good thing.

Of course, there is the dark side. Alcohol can end relationships, ruin lives, cause accidents or death. That goes for most addictive substances and activities. Moderate drinking also seems to be associated with longevity, so I'll drink to your health.

The funny thing is that the psychoactive substances I use which many think ought to be illegal are either nontoxic or actually have health benefits (e.g. 1p-LSD eliminating my migraines and gastro-esophageal reflux and having mental-health benefits), whereas alcohol, whose legality is questioned by few, causes approximately 3.3 million deaths a year, as much as 5.9% of total deaths worldwide, or the equivalent of over a thousand 9/11 events every year (source: World Health Organization).
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Brenden » 13 March 2018, 11:59

Jzone wrote:Moderate drinking also seems to be associated with longevity, so I'll drink to your health.

When you look at the selection-biased group of people who didn't outright die an alcohol-related death earlier in life. Even a moderate drinker can have a one-off instance of fatal drunkenness, especially "social drinkers" susceptible to peer-presure.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Jzone » 14 March 2018, 06:12

René wrote:The funny thing is that the psychoactive substances I use which many think ought to be illegal are either nontoxic or actually have health benefits (e.g. 1p-LSD eliminating my migraines and gastro-esophageal reflux and having mental-health benefits), whereas alcohol, whose legality is questioned by few, causes approximately 3.3 million deaths a year, as much as 5.9% of total deaths worldwide, or the equivalent of over a thousand 9/11 events every year (source: World Health Organization).

You have an odd sense of humor, René.

Seriously, I have no problem at all with your choice to use, and something tells me you have done extensive research in the matter. I simply have had no experience with psychoactives. I am intrigued that you list eliminating migraines as a benefit for you. I have experienced only a handful of migraines in my life, and they were all thankfully pain-free. Only visual symptoms. Your description of the visual effects of your psychoactives made me wonder if they might trigger an unpleasant response for me. Maybe someday I will find out.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby rogonandi » 14 March 2018, 06:27

I'm on on anything right now unless you count niccotine.

I've only been drunk a couple of times in my whole life, and I've never done any drugs. I don't think I ever will, due to my own fears in the matter.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Jzone » 14 March 2018, 06:31

Brenden wrote:
Jzone wrote:Moderate drinking also seems to be associated with longevity, so I'll drink to your health.

When you look at the selection-biased group of people who didn't outright die an alcohol-related death earlier in life. Even a moderate drinker can have a one-off instance of fatal drunkenness, especially "social drinkers" susceptible to peer-presure.

Believe me, I am not one to promote drinking. I have a high tolerance for alcohol, a high resistance to peer-pressure, and I am comfortable with my choices. I'm not immune to the possibility of a one-off instance of fatal drunkenness, but I take steps to limit my risks. The camaraderie that can be a part of social drinking is something I enjoy -- especially when making music with friends.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby PopTart » 14 March 2018, 10:05

I guess it comes down to peoples impulse control and social acceptance. People like yourself, Jzone, have a clear awareness of their limits but sadly, that is not the case for some. I don't drink often anymore and I do have a tendency to drink too much as my tolerance ebbs and wanes more, now that I don't drink frequently, than it did when I did drink frequently, it can be harder for me tell when I've had enough. It hits me at different rates, depending on how well I've eaten, how tired I am and when I last had a tipple.

Those things I partake of more often, I'm more practiced with and thus, tend to know when enough is enough. I think the problem some people have with alcohol, is the social acceptance part. Because there is a general acceptability in being completely shit faced, infact, for alot of people it's almost a cultural imperative (We brits are guilty of this!) It becomes easier to step over the line and go too far.

I do get why Brenden and René take exception, perhaps because, alcohol has such a terrible record of irresponsibility and a lack of desire on peoples part to even take responsibility, due to the social acceptance angle. Yet those substances, that are by their nature, less dangerous, less debilitating or possess a shorter window of diminshed capacity, are still stygmatised or demonised to a greater extent than they deserve and those that choose those options are given a bad name, while alcohol is held up to be, something it's not. It can be frustrating.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby René » 14 March 2018, 12:20

Jzone wrote:
René wrote:The funny thing is that the psychoactive substances I use which many think ought to be illegal are either nontoxic or actually have health benefits (e.g. 1p-LSD eliminating my migraines and gastro-esophageal reflux and having mental-health benefits), whereas alcohol, whose legality is questioned by few, causes approximately 3.3 million deaths a year, as much as 5.9% of total deaths worldwide, or the equivalent of over a thousand 9/11 events every year (source: World Health Organization).

You have an odd sense of humor, René.

Seriously, I have no problem at all with your choice to use, and something tells me you have done extensive research in the matter. I simply have had no experience with psychoactives. I am intrigued that you list eliminating migraines as a benefit for you. I have experienced only a handful of migraines in my life, and they were all thankfully pain-free. Only visual symptoms. Your description of the visual effects of your psychoactives made me wonder if they might trigger an unpleasant response for me. Maybe someday I will find out.

Oh, I didn't mean what I said as a criticism at all! :)

I mostly meant it was ironic, and ironic things amuse me.

Another ironic thing is that most people don't consider alcohol a drug or even psychoactive, when it clearly is and it's a much more harmful one than many illegal ones. Okay, I guess it really bugs me, but I try to see the humour in things to avoid getting depressed by all the things that don't make sense in the world. :P

You're very fortunate to have had only pain-free migraines. When I get a migraine, the first thing I notice is losing a bit of my vision, in both eyes, near my centre of focus. It's like it's the blind spot in your retina, but it's in both eyes and it's just gone; the brain will fill it in with the surrounding colours (interpolation), but that's not very helpful. Reading quickly becomes impossible or very difficult, as we read left-to-right and the part of my vision I lose (which gradually grows) tends to be just to the right of my centre of focus. About 10 minutes later, I'll get this colourful zigzag in my vision, sort of like a lightning bolt (kind of pretty, but very disturbing the first few times you experience it), and it grows and grows until a while later all I can see is basically a mess of colours. Then the terrible headache and nausea set in, and they are so bad that it's not uncommon to spend several hours just wanting to die. If I'd had a button that would simply end my life at those times, I would probably have pressed it.

That is, unless I take a psychedelic right away. Then the symptoms are much less intense, pretty bearable, and they go away much more quickly. :awesome:

I haven't tried taking more than one dose (100 µg of 1p-LSD), but at that dosage, the migraine becomes bearable while I can hardly tell the psychedelic effects over the migraine itself; it's mostly just a reduction in symptoms.
100 µg is considered a standard dose of 1p-LSD, but it's historically quite low; if you'd taken LSD in the 1960s, you might have been given a "dose" that was 270 µg. At 100 µg, you mostly get increased creativity / enhanced imagination, more vivid colours, and somewhat enhanced appreciation of physical aesthetics and music.

And I've never got a migraine at all when I've used a psychedelic in the past month. So I do my best never to go a month without tripping. Last month was the first time in years when I hadn't had a good opportunity to trip in a while, and on day 39 I got a migraine. Now I know to take a dose of 1p-LSD as soon as I notice the first aura symptoms, so that's what I did. :)
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby mxguy01 » 14 March 2018, 14:00

Why I don't think I would ever be able to be addicted to drugs and alcohol: I had 4 brothers of which I'm the youngest. Eldest brother died at 58 (BTW, I'm 56) of a stroke. Well the whole story is that he was off his blood pressure medicine so that he could continue to drink. I would say I he was always a nice drunk, but an alcoholic none the less. Amazing how little it was ever discussed in the family. Then my brother just older than me has completely fried his mind on drugs. What is left inside his body is not my brother and has not been for a long time. Now you may ask how does someone give up completely on his brother (for dead). My reply would be think what that would take and it would not hold a stick to what has gone down in the family due to him. Doesn't really matter. Drugs completely destroyed any assemblance of who my brother was.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Jzone » 14 March 2018, 23:19

René wrote:Another ironic thing is that most people don't consider alcohol a drug or even psychoactive, when it clearly is and it's a much more harmful one than many illegal ones. Okay, I guess it really bugs me, but I try to see the humour in things to avoid getting depressed by all the things that don't make sense in the world.

As the late great Stephen Hawking noted, "Life would be tragic if it weren't funny." I should have said "psychadelics" rather than "psychoactives". Alcohol is certainly a drug, and a potentially nasty one. I'm grateful that it is regulated to the point of requiring the label to include the % alcohol on it.

René wrote:You're very fortunate to have had only pain-free migraines.

I know enough migraine pain sufferers to know how fortunate I am. I get the very same visual symptoms you describe, but they pass in about 20 minutes with nothing more than a little light headedness. A tequila hangover is worse, and I have had to function through those a couple times. I don't remember the last migraine, it's been so long. I would think you would have redundant reminders and alarms set to avoid missing a monthly trip.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Jzone » 14 March 2018, 23:24

mxguy01 wrote:Why I don't think I would ever be able to be addicted to drugs and alcohol....

I honestly think what you described would make you more likely to be susceptible to addiction -- a family predisposition, perhaps. One of the greatest skills we can develop is the ability to learn from others' mistakes. We save a lot of time and messy inconvenience that way, to say the least. Good on you.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby mxguy01 » 14 March 2018, 23:46

Jzone wrote:
mxguy01 wrote:Why I don't think I would ever be able to be addicted to drugs and alcohol....

I honestly think what you described would make you more likely to be susceptible to addiction -- a family predisposition, perhaps. One of the greatest skills we can develop is the ability to learn from others' mistakes. We save a lot of time and messy inconvenience that way, to say the least. Good on you.


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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby René » 15 March 2018, 00:32

Jzone wrote:I would think you would have redundant reminders and alarms set to avoid missing a monthly trip.

I do, but I was really busy and figured I'd be okay for 40 days. I was wrong :P
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Brenden » 16 March 2018, 13:17

Jzone wrote:I'm grateful that it is regulated to the point of requiring the label to include the % alcohol on it.

It ought to be regulated more.

Even simply requiring it to meet the same requirements as food and other drinks would go some way to reducing abuse: nutrition and ingredient information. There're a lot of people, particularly women, who would cut back on their drinking if they knew how many calories they were guzzling down.

Minimum pricing is also an important regulation that needs to be implemented everywhere. Cheap (per unit) liquor and beer (kegs) is one of the reasons binge drinking is so ubiquitous at universities. There need to be financial disincentives.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Derek » 16 March 2018, 13:35

Why not ban it outright? Has that even been attempted before?
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Brenden » 16 March 2018, 14:34

The whole point of making and leaving these incredibly harmful (to society) things legal is so that we can regulate them and curb their harm.
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