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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Severelius » 28 March 2020, 16:31

erti wrote:
Severelius wrote:Nothing but god knows I probably should be.


If you live i the us there’s places where they have sliding scales for those in need of psychiatric care without needing insurance. That’s what I did about 11 years ago when I’ve became symptomatic and my insurance cut me off after I had turned 18. I live in a big city so idk what options you have.

Southern England. Very limited options, none of which sound remotely appealing. I'm mostly just struggling along without any form of help. It's not a great strategy but it has its ups and downs... mostly downs. It's pretty much all downs these days and the current self-isolation is not helping.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby René » 28 March 2020, 16:36

erti wrote:
Severelius wrote:Nothing but god knows I probably should be.

If you live i the us there’s places where they have sliding scales for those in need of psychiatric care without needing insurance. That’s what I did about 11 years ago when I’ve became symptomatic and my insurance cut me off after I had turned 18. I live in a big city so idk what options you have.

We don't do the whole insurance thing here in the UK. Our healthcare is provided by the government.

But isn't that socialist???
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Magic J » 28 March 2020, 16:41

René wrote:We don't do the whole insurance thing here in the UK. Our healthcare is provided by the government.

But isn't that socialist???
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby erti » 28 March 2020, 16:43

René wrote:
erti wrote:
Severelius wrote:Nothing but god knows I probably should be.

If you live i the us there’s places where they have sliding scales for those in need of psychiatric care without needing insurance. That’s what I did about 11 years ago when I’ve became symptomatic and my insurance cut me off after I had turned 18. I live in a big city so idk what options you have.

We don't do the whole insurance thing here in the UK. Our healthcare is provided by the government.

But isn't that socialist???
Yes, and it's fucking awesome.


Yeah... I wish we had universal health care. I find it hard to find good help when it comes to those accepting my insurance. I have Medicare and Medicaid because I’m on disability. I’m lucky because I didn’t need to get a lawyer or anything to be accepted to get disability. It’s a pain in the ass to get. I guess the dx of schizophrenia kinda made them more willing to take me when it comes to other mental illness such as depression and bipolar
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby erti » 28 March 2020, 16:52

Severelius wrote:
erti wrote:
Severelius wrote:Nothing but god knows I probably should be.


If you live i the us there’s places where they have sliding scales for those in need of psychiatric care without needing insurance. That’s what I did about 11 years ago when I’ve became symptomatic and my insurance cut me off after I had turned 18. I live in a big city so idk what options you have.

Southern England. Very limited options, none of which sound remotely appealing. I'm mostly just struggling along without any form of help. It's not a great strategy but it has its ups and downs... mostly downs. It's pretty much all downs these days and the current self-isolation is not helping.


It’s good you can somewhat manage but just know mental health is as important as physical health. Every once in a while have a mental health day. Treat yourself. At least something to look forward to.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Severelius » 28 March 2020, 16:56

erti wrote:
Severelius wrote:
erti wrote:
Severelius wrote:Nothing but god knows I probably should be.


If you live i the us there’s places where they have sliding scales for those in need of psychiatric care without needing insurance. That’s what I did about 11 years ago when I’ve became symptomatic and my insurance cut me off after I had turned 18. I live in a big city so idk what options you have.

Southern England. Very limited options, none of which sound remotely appealing. I'm mostly just struggling along without any form of help. It's not a great strategy but it has its ups and downs... mostly downs. It's pretty much all downs these days and the current self-isolation is not helping.


It’s good you can somewhat manage but just know mental health is as important as physical health. Every once in a while have a mental health day. Treat yourself. At least something to look forward to.

I've come to realise that while my low moments are nowhere near as bad as they can be they're so consistent that I don't really think I even have anything that I truly enjoy doing any more. Mostly it's just the accepted normality of constantly feeling like a worthless waste of space interrupted occasionally by a series of fleeting distractions so I can briefly not actively think about how much I feel like a worthless waste of space, but only for a short moment then it's right back to 'normal' again.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby erti » 28 March 2020, 17:01

Severelius wrote:
erti wrote:
Severelius wrote:
erti wrote:
Severelius wrote:Nothing but god knows I probably should be.


If you live i the us there’s places where they have sliding scales for those in need of psychiatric care without needing insurance. That’s what I did about 11 years ago when I’ve became symptomatic and my insurance cut me off after I had turned 18. I live in a big city so idk what options you have.

Southern England. Very limited options, none of which sound remotely appealing. I'm mostly just struggling along without any form of help. It's not a great strategy but it has its ups and downs... mostly downs. It's pretty much all downs these days and the current self-isolation is not helping.


It’s good you can somewhat manage but just know mental health is as important as physical health. Every once in a while have a mental health day. Treat yourself. At least something to look forward to.

I've come to realise that while my low moments are nowhere near as bad as they can be they're so consistent that I don't really think I even have anything that I truly enjoy doing any more. Mostly it's just the accepted normality of constantly feeling like a worthless waste of space interrupted occasionally by a series of fleeting distractions so I can briefly not actively think about how much I feel like a worthless waste of space, but only for a short moment then it's right back to 'normal' again.


What you’re telling me sounds a lot like depression. Hey, you may not need meds if you don’t want to take them. There’s always therapy. Usually with both they work out together. It’s not uncommon. I’ve heard like 1 out of 4 people suffer from mental illness every given year.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Magic J » 28 March 2020, 17:12

Severelius wrote:I've come to realise that while my low moments are nowhere near as bad as they can be they're so consistent that I don't really think I even have anything that I truly enjoy doing any more. Mostly it's just the accepted normality of constantly feeling like a worthless waste of space interrupted occasionally by a series of fleeting distractions so I can briefly not actively think about how much I feel like a worthless waste of space, but only for a short moment then it's right back to 'normal' again.

See, I think people usually assume that depression is manifest in more obvious signs like staying in bed, not socialising, lack of enthusiasm, suicidal thoughts, not taking care of yourself, etc. And it can be that in the more moderate to severe cases, but milder (but often more chronic) cases tend to go unnoticed. It can be pretty bad, since if you go for long enough periods feeling a bit low, you can forget what normal felt like.

I can't speak for you, obviously, but the lack of enjoyment and the negative rumination you described kind of chimes with me. I'd mentioned offhand those sorts of feelings to a doctor before, and was surprised when they replied that I might be showing signs of long term mild depression. In which case, it's treatable, and not something you just have to live with. Something to consider.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Severelius » 28 March 2020, 18:09

erti wrote:What you’re telling me sounds a lot like depression. Hey, you may not need meds if you don’t want to take them. There’s always therapy. Usually with both they work out together. It’s not uncommon. I’ve heard like 1 out of 4 people suffer from mental illness every given year.

Magic J wrote:See, I think people usually assume that depression is manifest in more obvious signs like staying in bed, not socialising, lack of enthusiasm, suicidal thoughts, not taking care of yourself, etc. And it can be that in the more moderate to severe cases, but milder (but often more chronic) cases tend to go unnoticed. It can be pretty bad, since if you go for long enough periods feeling a bit low, you can forget what normal felt like.

I can't speak for you, obviously, but the lack of enjoyment and the negative rumination you described kind of chimes with me. I'd mentioned offhand those sorts of feelings to a doctor before, and was surprised when they replied that I might be showing signs of long term mild depression. In which case, it's treatable, and not something you just have to live with. Something to consider.

See therapy is something I've honestly been starting to think more and more positively about lately. I used to be 100% dead set against the idea. Now it's more like 70% against.

Mainly just because I'm not good with words especially not when it comes to talking about myself in the kind of personal way that therapy inherently requires. I'm better doing it through writing and that's the main reason I have a habit of killing threads around here with my incessant self-pitying whining. That and because this is quite literally the only place in my life I feel remotely safe about actually in any way opening up about this crap that's weighing me down so much.

What's the point in feeling like a miserable piece of shit if you can't inflict it on others who have done nothing to deserve it? :devil:
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby erti » 28 March 2020, 18:23

Severelius wrote:See therapy is something I've honestly been starting to think more and more positively about lately. I used to be 100% dead set against the idea. Now it's more like 70% against.

Mainly just because I'm not good with words especially not when it comes to talking about myself in the kind of personal way that therapy inherently requires. I'm better doing it through writing and that's the main reason I have a habit of killing threads around here with my incessant self-pitying whining. That and because this is quite literally the only place in my life I feel remotely safe about actually in any way opening up about this crap that's weighing me down so much.

What's the point in feeling like a miserable piece of shit if you can't inflict it on others who have done nothing to deserve it? :devil:


There’s many types of therapy. Most common is like CBT and DBT. If I found it hard to talk about they let me write it down. Usually therapist depending on who may work with you on opening up more. I’ve been in and out of therapy and have had bad and good therapists.

I feel that way too sometimes. Especially when I’m having bad days whether or not I can tell what’s real and what’s in my head. I’ve gone on tangents about abuse I went through and along with mental illness. I’m open to talk about it if need be. I’m pretty understanding when it comes to this.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Magic J » 28 March 2020, 18:41

I went down the drug route without formal therapy. I read a lot of existential philosophy and did some basic CBT type things on my own. I'm that kind of person: don't really like talking about my inner world without tongue at least partly in cheek. :P
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby erti » 28 March 2020, 18:49

I’ve had shit doctors tell me despite how bad my symptoms are just tell me that if I “do more” it’ll all better to manage and not go the drug rout. I tried telling them meds aren’t working and that it’s hard to manage without meds he’ll even on meds. I have many positive symptoms like the delusions and hallucinations... but I also have negative with the self care and not taking care of myself. Thought block and such which makes it hard to talk about stuff with the therapist.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Magic J » 2 April 2020, 15:12

Well, back on the SSRI. Had a call from GP:

"Are you still taking the fluoxetine?"

"Nope"

"How are you feeling?“

"Pretty good"

"Fantastic. Keep using the fluoxetine, you moron"

Might have been a bit more genteel than that, but more or less the general message. :lol:
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby René » 2 April 2020, 15:15

Magic J wrote:Well, back on the SSRI. Had a call from GP:

"Are you still taking the fluoxetine?"

"Nope"

"How are you feeling?“

"Pretty good"

"Fantastic. Keep using the fluoxetine, you moron"

Might have been a bit more genteel than that, but more or less the general message. :lol:

:wtf:

You didn't take any for weeks and feel pretty good without it so he has you get back on it? Who's the moron here again? :oface:
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Magic J » 2 April 2020, 15:24

I actually think he's probably right on. I'd discussed it with another doctor before, and their advice was to take it for a longer period than is usually prescribed. They got the impression than I had been experiencing a kind of low grade depression for years, punctuated with more acute episodes. This suggested to them than it required more sustained use than for a simple acute episode, in order to minimise the chance of relapsing into my usual quiet existential despair. :P

I think the general advice given to GPS is: if found to be successful in improving condition, keep proscribing for some months after. I suppose they've found that this leads to better long term results.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Magic J » 2 April 2020, 15:27

Also, I imagine that the current blanket advice to GPS is: keep prescribing whatever you've been prescribing, keep everything ticking over until we're out of this danger zone, we can deal with it later.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby InternetShrink » 3 April 2020, 03:06

Hey! I'm on abnormally low levels of seratonin as well!
For me, psychotherapy is more effective than medication. That's for moderate depression. Schizophrenia, not much CBT can be done for that, unfortunately.

Magic J wrote:Also, I imagine that the current blanket advice to GPS is: keep prescribing whatever you've been prescribing, keep everything ticking over until we're out of this danger zone, we can deal with it later.

GPs suck as far as mental health goes, from my experience. I'd go over the GPs head and just see a psychiatrist.

Severelius wrote:See therapy is something I've honestly been starting to think more and more positively about lately. I used to be 100% dead set against the idea. Now it's more like 70% against.

Mainly just because I'm not good with words especially not when it comes to talking about myself in the kind of personal way that therapy inherently requires. I'm better doing it through writing and that's the main reason I have a habit of killing threads around here with my incessant self-pitying whining. That and because this is quite literally the only place in my life I feel remotely safe about actually in any way opening up about this crap that's weighing me down so much.


If you're "not good with words", that's 100% on the therapist to help you with. They got you. Also, it might be a good idea to look into online counselling.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby Magic J » 3 April 2020, 13:27

InternetShrink wrote:GPs suck as far as mental health goes, from my experience. I'd go over the GPs head and just see a psychiatrist.

The good doctor was astute enough. :P

Psychiatry is spread quite thin in our health service: better it go to someone in more distress, I'd say. In truth, though, not doing so is just my personal preference at this moment.
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Re: What are you on right now?

Unread postby InternetShrink » 3 April 2020, 17:35

Magic J wrote:
InternetShrink wrote:GPs suck as far as mental health goes, from my experience. I'd go over the GPs head and just see a psychiatrist.

The good doctor was astute enough. :P

Psychiatry is spread quite thin in our health service: better it go to someone in more distress, I'd say. In truth, though, not doing so is just my personal preference at this moment.

I get you! I don't know exactly what your healthcare system is like sorry lol

The good doctor from the tv show? Sean? He's a surgeon :lol: cute too
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