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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Severelius » 11 October 2020, 15:35

Marmaduke wrote:I once slept with someone several times before I found out they believed in the power of crystal healing. That’s as closely as I’ve broached the realms of magic, and only accidentally. I broke it off after I found out.

I cannot read this without imaging the 'finding out' somehow happening during sex :rofl:
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Derek » 11 October 2020, 17:30

Magic J wrote:For instance, a major practice, sometimes known as "manifesting", goes like this: You desire some thing or outcome, so you do some spooky ritual or spell which will aid you in obtaining it. The actual content of the spell is essentially irrelevant, but the psychodrama of the magical event should be powerful enough that it "sticks" in the mind. This supposedly improves the focus of the caster, and they'll work harder, or more effectively, in achieving the desired outcome. Some ("chaos") magicians actually agree that the content is irrelevant, whilst others suggest that older, traditional magic has a more powerful emotional grip, and so tends to prove more effective.

Isn't that just The Secret? Is this all because Oprah retired? She was the only person standing in between bored suburban women and witchcraft?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 11 October 2020, 19:09

Derek wrote:
Magic J wrote:For instance, a major practice, sometimes known as "manifesting", goes like this: You desire some thing or outcome, so you do some spooky ritual or spell which will aid you in obtaining it. The actual content of the spell is essentially irrelevant, but the psychodrama of the magical event should be powerful enough that it "sticks" in the mind. This supposedly improves the focus of the caster, and they'll work harder, or more effectively, in achieving the desired outcome. Some ("chaos") magicians actually agree that the content is irrelevant, whilst others suggest that older, traditional magic has a more powerful emotional grip, and so tends to prove more effective.

Isn't that just The Secret? Is this all because Oprah retired? She was the only person standing in between bored suburban women and witchcraft?

I suppose witchcraft is on a spectrum. The way suburban moms talk about superfoods and natural ingredients give off a new age-y vibe.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Magic J » 11 October 2020, 19:19

Derek wrote:Isn't that just The Secret? Is this all because Oprah retired? She was the only person standing in between bored suburban women and witchcraft?

Never read it, but yeah, probably. :lol: I'd say there's usually more of a self-discipline element, though. It's something you have to practice at (i.e. train your mind to work in particular, beneficial ways). There's often quite a bit of metaphysical and ethical content, too. "Self-realisation" is frequently the goal. Take that how you like.

At least they're just getting into witchcraft rather than mass psychological manipulation. Lot's of that happening, I'm afraid, and not of the benign sort. Fnordery abounds these days. That'd be dark magic, and bad mojo all round. :shake:
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Jzone » 13 October 2020, 02:48

When my ex-wife and I were girlfriend and boyfriend living-in-sin, I knew I was in trouble whenever I came home and found some "oracle" on display: tarot cards, rune stones, the I Ching, and more. I could gauge the depth of the conflict by the number of oracles consulted. A 3 oracle day was bad — very bad. She went all in for The Secret and too many other misguided attempts to influence the outcome of life, the universe, and everything. I am in full support of focusing on your goals and dreams, but The Secret was just stupid (very lucrative, but still stupid).
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Magic J » 13 October 2020, 10:18

Jzone wrote:I knew I was in trouble whenever I came home and found some "oracle" on display: tarot cards, rune stones, the I Ching, and more. I could gauge the depth of the conflict by the number of oracles consulted. A 3 oracle day was bad — very bad.

:lol:

This is slightly cruel of me, but just think how limited an imagination one must have if it's The Secret that provides enough emotional resonance to "do magic". It boggles the mind, frankly. New Age hokum. Try The Book of the Law. Literally dictated by an angel. Or not. You decide. :P

As an aside, watching people argue about which magical tradition is the best is one of the funniest things ever. I strongly encourage everybody to get involved.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Eos » 14 October 2020, 18:49

I'm currently wondering if I have a terrible "strategy" concerning tinder. I went back a few weeks ago, I had around 10 matchs. However I stopped initiating discussions, especially if I'm talking with someone on tinder. It's really annoying to talk with many people at the same time. I always feel like I have to make a choice between people but it's impossible for me. I like to take my time with one person at a time.

I always answer though if someone contacted me. But I'm afraid my old matchs wont respond if I take my time.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby René » 14 October 2020, 19:06

Eos wrote:I'm currently wondering if I have a terrible "strategy" concerning tinder. I went back a few weeks ago, I had around 10 matchs. However I stopped initiating discussions, especially if I'm talking with someone on tinder. It's really annoying to talk with many people at the same time. I always feel like I have to make a choice between people but it's impossible for me. I like to take my time with one person at a time.

I always answer though if someone contacted me. But I'm afraid my old matchs wont respond if I take my time.

It's a little bit like a job interview, isn't it? You've got to interview multiple candidate before deciding which one(s) show(s) enough potential to advance to the next stage. :D
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Eos » 14 October 2020, 19:23

I don't know, I don't like to push myself to choose. I mean I will filter people. But 90 % it is because they lack of communication skill.

(75% messages are as follow : hey how are you - fine and you - great ; I will do not effort when the conversation starts this way)

But once I met them, I don't like not to have time.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 14 October 2020, 20:41

René wrote:
Eos wrote:I'm currently wondering if I have a terrible "strategy" concerning tinder. I went back a few weeks ago, I had around 10 matchs. However I stopped initiating discussions, especially if I'm talking with someone on tinder. It's really annoying to talk with many people at the same time. I always feel like I have to make a choice between people but it's impossible for me. I like to take my time with one person at a time.

I always answer though if someone contacted me. But I'm afraid my old matchs wont respond if I take my time.

It's a little bit like a job interview, isn't it? You've got to interview multiple candidate before deciding which one(s) show(s) enough potential to advance to the next stage. :D

When my gramps was an architect his small firm held interviews for a secretary position and my grandpa goes, “I want to hire the blonde one” referring to who eventually would become my grandma. This other guy goes, “But she’s the least qualified.” And my grandpa says, “Yeah but we can always teach her.” :lol: I guess it’s hereditary.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Magic J » 15 October 2020, 19:49

Ipsos Mori polls now suggesting that 58% of Scottish voters would vote to become an independent nation.

Those mendicant and sullen Scots are at it again! Let's see the reaction with readers of Britain's most popular newspaper:

"The sooner we get rid of them the better. We should rebuild Hadrian's Wall and kick out ALL Scots from England."

"You've been scroungers for hundreds of years."

"This is what happens when the gene pool of small nations catches up with them."

"You Scots leave and take your hands out of our pockets and your rabble out of Westminster."

"Were any of them sober, or drug free?"

"The SNP will keep the giro as its currency."

"Probably took the poll in the dole office."

Reams of this shit. Although, I did chuckle at the "gene pool of a small nation" comment. You're funny, whoever you are, but still, alas, a cunt.

OT: I really need to stop going immediately to the comment sections of the Daily Mail and Sun every time some domestic drama occurs. I tell myself that I'm just keeping the pulse of the nation or some other such shite, but really it just gives me a sort of sick pleasure. "I may be a moron, but at least I'm not at 'Tabloid Comment Section' levels of imbecility", I say to myself, whilst nevertheless reading the fucking Daily Mail... :rolleyes:
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Severelius » 15 October 2020, 19:58

My natural inclination towards Scotland's independence is that I seem to be instinctively a unionist... though at this point a lot of my desire for them to stay is just because without them England will be stuck with a solid Tory majority government for-fucking-ever and fuck literally everything to do with that.

But the worse the government gets the more I'm feeling like the only appropriate response to Scottish independence is "just go, it's too late for the rest of us, just save yourselves!"
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Magic J » 15 October 2020, 21:14

Severelius wrote:...though at this point a lot of my desire for them to stay is just because without them England will be stuck with a solid Tory majority government for-fucking-ever and fuck literally everything to do with that.

I'm, frankly, torn on this. I'm not a "unionist" by any means, but I am extremely concerned that Scotland's independence would see England and Wales ruled by a Tory government for the next few decades, like you say. Makes me feel slightly sick. It seems, at base, to be contrary to my supposed internationalism, which is... troubling. I likely would have preferred a left-Labour government, but that didn't happen. It's a difficult one.

And yet... It might be the general solution. England get's its Glorious Isolation, and Scotland gets its return to the EU (maybe). At this point I'm in the immensely awkward position of voting nationalist in the spirit of... eh... some kind of internationalism. It's an uncomfortable fit, and I can't say I particularly rejoice in it.

My gut feeling is that it's going to happen. Support for independence will keep getting stronger. If not in the next year, then within the next ten.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Brenden » 15 October 2020, 21:51

Small countries working together and forming limited international institutions is best. Really, the UK, France, Germany and Spain should each be split up into 4-6 countries each.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby rogonandi » 16 October 2020, 18:33

I like being able to fit into my older clothes again, though I still have to wear my work uniform 70% of the time I’m awake. At least It’s comfortable to wear. :P
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby PopTart » 16 October 2020, 18:50

Magic J wrote:
Severelius wrote:...though at this point a lot of my desire for them to stay is just because without them England will be stuck with a solid Tory majority government for-fucking-ever and fuck literally everything to do with that.

I'm, frankly, torn on this. I'm not a "unionist" by any means, but I am extremely concerned that Scotland's independence would see England and Wales ruled by a Tory government for the next few decades, like you say. Makes me feel slightly sick. It seems, at base, to be contrary to my supposed internationalism, which is... troubling. I likely would have preferred a left-Labour government, but that didn't happen. It's a difficult one.

And yet... It might be the general solution. England get's its Glorious Isolation, and Scotland gets its return to the EU (maybe). At this point I'm in the immensely awkward position of voting nationalist in the spirit of... eh... some kind of internationalism. It's an uncomfortable fit, and I can't say I particularly rejoice in it.

My gut feeling is that it's going to happen. Support for independence will keep getting stronger. If not in the next year, then within the next ten.

I suspect Scottish independence is an eventual inevitability. I think it's become a sort of, cultural imperative. It's not really about the benefits versus the costs, I think it's about how Scots perceived themselves and how they perceived the English. :nod:

Brenden wrote:Small countries working together and forming limited international institutions is best. Really, the UK, France, Germany and Spain should each be split up into 4-6 countries each.
For the UK to remain undivided, England atleast, would need to be broken up, into smaller states. There is definately a problem in regards to the sheer numerical advantage afforded the English, in comparison to the other three home nations. One that makes itself known in a democratic system.

I can't speak for France, Spain or Germany. But for the UK to survive another generation. Definate reform is needed. I just don't think anyone would countenance such radical changes.

I'd be in favour of England being divided into four or five states, Local authorities being primarily direct democracy with councillors implementing local policies, based on mandatory voting from local residents. With a wider, interstate, representative Parliament or federal assembly or something similar.

On a local level, I think direct democracy would give people greater agency over the smaller details of their everyday lives, while reserving representative democracy on a national level.

Likely all a distant dream :P
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby GaySpacePirateKing » 16 October 2020, 18:57

Magic J wrote:My gut feeling is that it's going to happen. Support for independence will keep getting stronger. If not in the next year, then within the next ten.


Last time it came down to economics I think. The yes side wasn't able to address all the concerns people had about EU membership, whether we could continue to use the pound and the situation with the border between Scotland and the rest of the UK.

I think it would be a huge isssue again if there were to be another referendum. Only this time what is different is now more people than ever feel completely alienated from politics south of the border and the political direction that an extreme part of the tory party has irreversibly taken the country down thanks to Brexit. That is what I think is driving the current rise in support for independence.

I am not sure though if were there to actually be another referendum that support would stay or last against the onslaught of economic fear mongering we are likely to get.

In the end I think people look at the issue as to whether they think it will materially benefit themselves and the country and less out of Scottish patriotism or wanting to be represented by a parliament that is seen to be more progressive or left leaning. Maybe I am wrong though? Maybe the non economic factors will be more important this time round?

I do think the yes side is completely beat on the economy though. I just can not see a compelling case for it on that point. The issues with the EU, the currency and probably also the border remain, but now in addition we have the bad example of the harm Brexit is doing plus the damage done by the coronavirus.

Honestly I think both us and the rest of the UK would be absolutely fucked if we were to go for it. Its Brexit plus the impact of the virus, plus the breakup of one of the worlds biggest economy and power, plus the uncertainty about whether Scotland can join the EU and/or continue using the pound, plus the unappeal from an international capitalist perspective of the left leaning political direction that an independent Scotland will probably try to go down that creates a whole huge lot of uncertainty, confusion and risk.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Magic J » 16 October 2020, 20:57

PopTart wrote:It's not really about the benefits versus the costs, I think it's about how Scots perceived themselves and how they perceived the English. :nod:

I think that's probably true. In 2014, we were still immersed in a quite technocratic style of politics. So, the majority of Scots, still keeping the faith, replied that the economic argument was convincing, and that they'd prefer to remain in the Union. Then, with Brexit, it became apparent that, no, we're actually not doing that anymore: we're voting for what could be called "bold ideas" (in reality, a compromise to prevent a Tory split that went horribly wrong for the technocrats, but I'll concede that it's bold). As such, the technical arguments that will, once again, be made to convince Scots to remain, shall inevitably ring ever so slightly hollow.

On self-perception, this is something I do find interesting: there's a certain perception that Scotland, as a whole, is more "left-wing", more egalitarian, and less xenophobic. Frequently, this is what provides the emotive pull, and the rationale for striking off in a different direction. I can tell you that it does often feel that way. English friends even tell me this. But looking at the various social attitude surveys that have been done in the recent past, it's simply not true, at least when it's boiled down to the simplest statements of value. Scots are, in general, only marginally more in favour of, for example, social democratic policy. Only marginally more in favour of freedom of movement, etc.

I suspect there's a kind of myth in play here. In moments of extreme naivety, I can tell myself that maybe we can try to live up to that, and it can prove to be a useful fiction. :P

GaySpacePirateKing wrote:In the end I think people look at the issue as to whether they think it will materially benefit themselves and the country and less out of Scottish patriotism or wanting to be represented by a parliament that is seen to be more progressive or left leaning. Maybe I am wrong though? Maybe the non economic factors will be more important this time round?

All I can personally say is that I now know several people who've swung to supporting independence. They're aged 50+, and generally in the demographic that tends towards keeping to the status quo (ensuring access to a pension is, obviously, a powerful motive not to rock the boat). Some of them were even long-term Scottish Conservative voters. A small sample, but a sufficiently strange about-face.

On the COVID situation, I'm reliably informed by people who're interested in polling (weirdos, mainly) that support for Scottish independence appears to go up slightly during times of economic crisis. And... well... this is a rather large crisis. :P
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Derek » 16 October 2020, 21:27

I have nothing to add except that Scottish accents are 100 times sexier than English accents.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby René » 16 October 2020, 21:35

Derek wrote:I have nothing to add except that Scottish accents are 100 times sexier than English accents.

I agree Scottish accents are often very attractive. English accents are insanely varied, though. There are definitely very nice ones and not so nice ones. :D
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