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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby René » 19 November 2020, 18:03

PopTart wrote:As to Linux, I have never used it. Much to my shame. I heard about it when I was a kid in the 90's but I was busy learning Windows back then and it had been a nightmare convincing my parents to buy me a cheap second hand pc, I wasn't about to get a second one because of a different operating system, they wouldn't have understood what that meant or its significance :lol:

That is a shame! Could have dual-booted. :D

I didn't need to convince my dad to try out Linux. Being a former professional programmer, he was just as excited about stuff like that as I was. I remember him buying Red Hat Linux (this was in the time of dial-up internet), and being fascinated that it had tonnes of software included with the OS, that you could just tick lots of boxes during installation and it would all be there, ready to use, when it was done.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby John27 » 19 November 2020, 20:48

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PopTart wrote:As to Linux, I have never used it. Much to my shame. I heard about it when I was a kid in the 90's but I was busy learning Windows back then and it had been a nightmare convincing my parents to buy me a cheap second hand pc, I wasn't about to get a second one because of a different operating system, they wouldn't have understood what that meant or its significance :lol:

That is a shame! Could have dual-booted. :D


Yes.

I did this. And today you don't even necessarily need to install anything. There are distros that are supposed to be able function happily run off a USB flash drive. Even ones that are intended to be installed, but have a "live disk" mode, can run well enough to play with a bit.

I didn't need to convince my dad to try out Linux. Being a former professional programmer, he was just as excited about stuff like that as I was. I remember him buying Red Hat Linux (this was in the time of dial-up internet), and being fascinated that it had tonnes of software included with the OS, that you could just tick lots of boxes during installation and it would all be there, ready to use, when it was done.


Buy? You mean he didn't want to tie up the phone line for a month to download the ISO? :lol:

The trick I used when first experimenting was getting books from the library. They often included a CD in the back. It might not be fully up to date--but it was good enough when I was just experimenting, and it was my favorite price: $0

And having all that software installed at once is something I think a lot of people liked. Particularly people used to Windows. Windows would take at least as long to install--maybe longer--and then you'd be faced a lengthy process to install other software. And you'd have to do all this somewhat regularly, since the fix for Windows problems so often was "reinstall."
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby stuff » 20 November 2020, 00:05

René wrote:All I remember is one time on Brenden's MacBook "Pro", there was a dialogue box on the screen with 2 or 3 buttons, and I tried to use Tab and Enter to choose an option, but it didn't do anything. It's like, come on. This is basic stuff. Maybe it's gotten better since then? :shrug:


On a Mac dialog box, there is a blue option that will be selected if you press enter no matter what, but if you hit tab, you can highlight the other options and press the space bar to select that option.

However, there are times when a dialog box pops up that does not become the focused window, and I can't get it to be the focused window with the keyboard no matter what I do, and I have to use the mouse to get that window to be in focus. That's a bug I don't appreciate.

John27 wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Apple IIs lingered well into the 1990s. Schools had a lot of software. Indeed, one option for some Macs of the early 1990s was a board that would allow the Mac to run Apple II software. This was seen as good for schools--they could redo a computer lab, and still run all the software they had lying around.


The only thing I can really remember doing on those computers was playing Oregon Trail.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby René » 20 November 2020, 00:25

John27 wrote:
René wrote:
PopTart wrote:As to Linux, I have never used it. Much to my shame. I heard about it when I was a kid in the 90's but I was busy learning Windows back then and it had been a nightmare convincing my parents to buy me a cheap second hand pc, I wasn't about to get a second one because of a different operating system, they wouldn't have understood what that meant or its significance :lol:

That is a shame! Could have dual-booted. :D

Yes.

I did this. And today you don't even necessarily need to install anything. There are distros that are supposed to be able function happily run off a USB flash drive. Even ones that are intended to be installed, but have a "live disk" mode, can run well enough to play with a bit.

Remember Knoppix? One of the first distributions that could run from a live CD :D
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby John27 » 20 November 2020, 03:06

René wrote:Remember Knoppix? One of the first distributions that could run from a live CD :D


Yes, and I recall playing a bit with Knoppix--I think it might have been on a library book CD, even.

I also remember Puppy Linux, and Damn Small Linux. I think a Linux group in the region liked DSL for old computers.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 20 November 2020, 18:05

The crown for Best Supermarket Christmas Sandwich has rested with Marks & Spencers for the last few years, but I’m gonna come out and give the win to Sainsbury’s this year. The Ultimate Christmas Feast is a belter of a sandwich.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby ceez » 20 November 2020, 18:41

It's FRIDAY :keke:
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Brenden » 20 November 2020, 18:55

ceez wrote:It's FRIDAY :keke:

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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby rogonandi » 20 November 2020, 19:41

Saw the Christmas decorations in the lobby of the hotel. And it begins...
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Severelius » 20 November 2020, 19:44

At this point I'm gonna time when Christmas is officially starting from when the the discourse about Fairytale of New York starts kicking up.

So with that framing, it's been Christmas for about 2 or 3 days already.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby John27 » 21 November 2020, 08:53

stuff wrote:
René wrote:All I remember is one time on Brenden's MacBook "Pro", there was a dialogue box on the screen with 2 or 3 buttons, and I tried to use Tab and Enter to choose an option, but it didn't do anything. It's like, come on. This is basic stuff. Maybe it's gotten better since then? :shrug:


On a Mac dialog box, there is a blue option that will be selected if you press enter no matter what, but if you hit tab, you can highlight the other options and press the space bar to select that option.


Do they have the option of keyboard shortcuts in dialog boxes--that is command key+something else to equal clicking one of the buttons? For example, command-period to cancel. I know that they did this in the pre-OS X days...although I can't remember how far back, or how universal it was across application software.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby John27 » 21 November 2020, 09:05

The new laptop fantasy: I learned that Dell has a model with Linux preinstalled. Although, since it's over a grand, it will almost certainly remain a fantasy...

I noted they have laptops starting in the low $300 range...which is painful for me, but more doable. But they are Windows 10 machines. :noes: They might run Linux just fine now, of course, but my deep, burning hatred of Windows means that I don't want to buy a new Windows computer.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby John27 » 21 November 2020, 09:11

The Christmas talk reminded me that I just picked up a used CD in a thrift shop. It's a Christmas CD done by a gay men's choir, and one of the tracks is titled: "Coming Out on Christmas". That made it a must-buy. I haven't gotten around to playing the CD yet.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 21 November 2020, 16:51

It only just dawned on me today that I’m wasting time with using products to smell nice in a society where everyone is wearing a mask. So much wasted perfume.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Brenden » 21 November 2020, 16:59

Marmaduke wrote:It only just dawned on me today that I’m wasting time with using products to smell nice in a society where everyone is wearing a mask. So much wasted perfume.

René is always amazed when he removes his KN95 mask after a while of wearing it and suddenly smells the world around him.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby John27 » 21 November 2020, 21:55

Marmaduke wrote:It only just dawned on me today that I’m wasting time with using products to smell nice in a society where everyone is wearing a mask. So much wasted perfume.


There is also that decree of staying 6 feet away from others that could be a factor, too.

Although perhaps cologne might have some value to the wearer. I heard a story about an actor who'd wear some scent, even though viewers wouldn't know it, because it helped put him in character. I'm not sure this necessarily took place--I heard it, but only one print source--but I can imagine it happening.

I passed by one guy not long ago who had some interesting cologne. (It was a grocery store, so it was a very brief moment of being within that 6 feet zone.) It was attractive...but unfortunately he was with what I gathered was a female significant other... Not that he'd have been interested in me, even if he were gay... :cry:
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby John27 » 21 November 2020, 21:59

Brenden wrote:René is always amazed when he removes his KN95 mask after a while of wearing it and suddenly smells the world around him.


I saw something floating about the Internet defining an "airgasm" as what happens when you take that first breath after taking a mask off. :lol:

I feel that way. Frankly the masks drive me crazy--but it may be because I'm using the cheap disposable masks, which I can get for free.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby erti » 21 November 2020, 22:03

I read somewhere that people tend to like the smell of their significant other.
“Don't take my devils away, because my angels may flee too.”

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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby René » 21 November 2020, 22:16

John27 wrote:
Brenden wrote:René is always amazed when he removes his KN95 mask after a while of wearing it and suddenly smells the world around him.

I saw something floating about the Internet defining an "airgasm" as what happens when you take that first breath after taking a mask off. :lol:

I feel that way. Frankly the masks drive me crazy--but it may be because I'm using the cheap disposable masks, which I can get for free.

I often forget I'm wearing my moulded, valved N95 (and the cloth black mask I wear on top of it for looks and to cover exhaled air because airlines etc. don't like uncovered valved respirators).
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Severelius » 21 November 2020, 22:19

A convenient upside of the mask thing is that when one of the two regular punters I have to deal with at work who stink to high heaven like they haven't touched water for longer than I've been alive decide to wander in, I quickly chuck a mask on and it helps prevent me from inhaling a lungful of that disgusting horror show of an odour.
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