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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Derek » 12 January 2021, 00:12

PopTart wrote:
Derek wrote:It's fucked up how comfortable people online are wishing rape upon people as a matter of retributive justice ("I bet he'll be popular in prison"). It's like how normalized it is to say racist shit about Chinese people. Do they just not actually believe that racism is bad and sexual violence is never justified? How do they square it?

Oh, the irony.

What?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 12 January 2021, 06:39

Derek wrote:
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Derek wrote:It's fucked up how comfortable people online are wishing rape upon people as a matter of retributive justice ("I bet he'll be popular in prison"). It's like how normalized it is to say racist shit about Chinese people. Do they just not actually believe that racism is bad and sexual violence is never justified? How do they square it?

Oh, the irony.

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He said you’re forever threatening to rape people whilst screaming racial epithets at the Chinese, even when there are no Chinese people in earshot. We’ve all noticed.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Derek » 12 January 2021, 06:49

Oh good, I was worried it was mealy-mouthed moral equivocation that demands confrontation despite representing no viewpoint.

Sorry about the rape, I promise to do better.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby PopTart » 12 January 2021, 17:07

Derek wrote:Oh good, I was worried it was mealy-mouthed moral equivocation that demands confrontation despite representing no viewpoint.

Sorry about the rape, I promise to do better.

And you called me a bitch?

I simply find it amusing, that you feel more than happy to critique my criticism of the "tone" you use to express your hatred for others, while here you are, doing your very own sermonising over other peoples tone.

Quite the double standard.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Derek » 12 January 2021, 17:33

You think criticizing the use of rape in rhetoric is tone policing.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby PopTart » 12 January 2021, 17:55

Derek wrote:It's fucked up how comfortable people online are wishing rape upon people as a matter of retributive justice ("I bet he'll be popular in prison"). It's like how normalized it is to say racist shit about Chinese people. Do they just not actually believe that racism is bad and sexual violence is never justified? How do they square it?

Yes, since the use of such statements, I suspect is much in the manner Outside In speaks of.

People aren't thinking about it, it's merely an expression of something else, be it disagreement with something some one has done, or that someone has got, what they feel, is justice. Do I much like the tone they take to express that? No. Quite clearly neither do you.

But surely you see the hypocrisy, when you make off the cuff statements, hyperbole or otherwise, expressing some hateful or contemptuous feeling you harbour towards someone, only to then ask of others, that exhibit similar behaviour... how do they square that?

You seem to manage just fine, I should imagine they use rationalisation, much in the manner you do. Perhaps it carries as much weight as your own pronouncements do? I honestly don't know how you rationalise your own casual expressions of hatred and the like. That's your business. Or how serious your own denouncements of other people really are? Perhaps it's superficial sounding off.

But when you exhibit hateful behaviour yourself and find means of justification, only to criticise other peoples hateful behaviour, the tonality in question becomes, the feeling behind what is being said.

Hatefullness.

The irony, I have raised concern about the things you say, the manner in which you say them, because of what lies behind those things. You often have rationalisations for the things you say. Yet here you are, raising concern over things over people say, the manner in which they say them, what lies behind those things? How do they rationalise and make peace with that?

And I think, yeah Derek, how do they reconcile the spitefullness and hatred they express, with the seeming sense of righteousness they carry around? How do you do it?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Derek » 12 January 2021, 18:05

It astounds me how incapable you are of digesting the moral contents of any given statement. You cannot tell the difference between moral denunciation and brainless insults, between rational contempt and libidinous cruelty. You chew it all into mush that means nothing but still somehow elicits feelings strong enough to justify torching a relationship. Fucking incredible.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Magic J » 12 January 2021, 19:58

Derek wrote:It's fucked up how comfortable people online are wishing rape upon people as a matter of retributive justice. ("I bet he'll be popular in prison").

Anyway. I have thunk this before, yeah. It's a bit weird. I mean, in addition to the base fact that it's a (typically not very clever or amusing) joke about rape, it also maybe says something about how people view prisoners: that they deserve to be brutalised. In this sort of view, violence in prisons perhaps isn't really so much of a problem. Rather, it's part of the retribution that one should expect for breaking the law.

Taking the joke seriously, it's a pretty dark way of looking at how justice should be done. But maybe I'm just reading into it too much.

It's also a really overdone joke. Do better. I think there's potential for a truly good dark joke with it, though. Something that reels in the audience with the dumb "haha prison rape funny" bit, then proceeds to make us a bit uncomfortable for our societal indifference towards a fucked up prison system, maybe? Somebody significantly cleverer and funnier than me. :P
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 12 January 2021, 20:19

Let us all just express our distain for raping and move on with our lives. Rape is extremely naughty and you should endeavour to not do it whenever reasonably practicable.

Now, let’s move on.

I hate the Chinese.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Derek » 12 January 2021, 20:31

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Derek wrote:It's fucked up how comfortable people online are wishing rape upon people as a matter of retributive justice. ("I bet he'll be popular in prison").

Anyway. I have thunk this before, yeah. It's a bit weird. I mean, in addition to the base fact that it's a (typically not very clever or amusing) joke about rape, it also maybe says something about how people view prisoners: that they deserve to be brutalised. In this sort of view, violence in prisons perhaps isn't really so much of a problem. Rather, it's part of the retribution that one should expect for breaking the law.

Taking the joke seriously, it's a pretty dark way of looking at how justice should be done. But maybe I'm just reading into it too much.

It's also a really overdone joke. Do better. I think there's potential for a truly good dark joke with it, though. Something that reels in the audience with the dumb "haha prison rape funny" bit, then proceeds to make us a bit uncomfortable for our societal indifference towards a fucked up prison system, maybe? Somebody significantly cleverer and funnier than me. :P

I don't think people are joking when they say that. At least, I don't think they were in the comments I read that first prompted me to make that post. I'd describe the feeling as gleeful rather than humorous.

When you tell someone to go to hell, that's... literary. The concept of hell is fantastical and has nothing to do with the world we live in. There's no reason to assume you're actually condemning someone to an eternity of torment. But when you celebrate the idea of someone getting raped in prison, you're expressing your approval of the reality of sexual violence as it exists in our society. I buy that this is said in a way that's maybe absent-minded or exaggerated. I don't buy that it would be such a common refrain if it didn't bely a common but sadistic impulse.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Severelius » 12 January 2021, 20:36

Marmaduke wrote:Now, let’s move on.

I hate the Chinese.

But they make such pretty twinks.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Magic J » 12 January 2021, 20:36

Marmaduke wrote:I hate the Chinese.

All of them? That's so many people. How do you find the time?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 12 January 2021, 20:37

Severelius wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:Now, let’s move on.

I hate the Chinese.

But they make such pretty twinks.

So you won’t openly condemn doing a rape?

We’ve all made a note.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Magic J » 12 January 2021, 20:37

Shocking.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 12 January 2021, 20:43

Magic J wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:I hate the Chinese.

All of them? That's so many people. How do you find the time?

I’ve pencilled the Chinese census from the year 2000 in on a schedule, I try to take a 10 seconds out of every minute to concentrate on hating the next person who comes alphabetically on this list. I’ve been at it for 21 years now. I’m somewhat reliant on my brain being downloaded into a computer at some point in the next few decades, because I’m not due to finish working through the list (accounting for sleeping and lunch breaks) until November 12th 8813. Well, assuming we’re using the Gregorian calendar anyway.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Magic J » 12 January 2021, 20:53

Impressive. Although, that census is old, and getting older. You might find yourself hating people who are dead, and that is an entirely futile effort. Also, there's going to be loads of new people who aren't being hated at all. What can be done about this?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby erti » 12 January 2021, 21:04

Since they put me on the new antidepressant med I Don’t know if it’s the placebo effect or not but my mood and anxiety has gotten better the past few days. Voices and visions haven’t been bothersome... still dishing out every insult in the book and tell me to hurt myself and all that bad junk. It’s easier to ignore right now... I’ve been doing a lot of self care and cleaning and such. I’m thinking about making a schedule so I can remember hygiene stuff like bathing and brushing my teeth.
“Don't take my devils away, because my angels may flee too.”

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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 12 January 2021, 21:13

Magic J wrote:Impressive. Although, that census is old, and getting older. You might find yourself hating people who are dead, and that is an entirely futile effort. Also, there's going to be loads of new people who aren't being hated at all. What can be done about this?

Would you like a job? I will employ you to identify all the new names and begin working through them, hating by proxy on my behalf. I will offer £9 per hour, payable in a lump sum of £522,419,625 on November 13th 8813.

And don’t get bogged down in the fact that if you work unendingly for over 6000 years, you’ll be only just over halfway to being worth just under 1% of Jeff Bezos today. #MinimumWage.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Magic J » 12 January 2021, 21:19

Marmaduke wrote:And don’t get bogged down in the fact that if you work unendingly for over 6000 years, you’ll be only just over halfway to being worth just under 1% of Jeff Bezos today. #MinimumWage.


Woah woah woah, let's not make this political. You commie.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby OutsideIn » 12 January 2021, 23:12

Derek wrote:The concept of hell is fantastical and has nothing to do with the world we live in.

Clearly you didn’t grow up around Evangelicals. :lol:
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