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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby PopTart » 21 August 2021, 10:08

Marmaduke wrote:It isn’t oversimplifying a solution, it’s affording more complexity to a problem than it’s due. Right and wrong at its core isn’t determined through the spirit of compromise and understanding. It isn’t difficult to grasp. Children know right from wrong before they can verbalise the words.

Incels aren’t acting to better the world, or promote societal change, they are lashing out out of spite and resentment. Regardless of the epoch of humanity, you lash out, you are stopped, you are tried by your peers, you fault is determined and you are punished. It has always been the way, it will always be the way. You are punished because spite and resentment are inevitable and unavoidable. There will always be those who resent others for what they do not have, the material thing that is absent is irrelevant. It is the choice to lash out that is punished and separate from the issue that motivated it. Society is complex. Justice is not. Right and wrong are simple and are determined on presentation of facts by the majority consensus.
Again, you are running away with the idea that I am suggesting that people shouldn't be held accountable for criminal conduct. That is clearly not what I am saying, and repeating that assumption doesn't make it anymore true. Maybe if you post an audiofile, reciting the same argument, it might have more impact, but it would still be no less, wrong.

At no point have I suggested incels are acting to better the world :lol: Where did you get that from? Nor am I suggesting they are acting to promote societal change. I am suggesting they are the lesion that is indicative of some other infection. You don't seem to want to countenance that possibility, because it gets in the way of the very straightforward thinking you favour. You want to lance the boil and walk away. Because the lancing bit is fun. There is oozing of puss and the satisfaction of having wiped away an unsightly tumour. Patient all doctored, off you go, no, no, it's quite alright! Why a gift basket? How lovely!, Yes, Yes I do like blueberry muffins.

Marmaduke wrote:Where the issue on trial is obvious and facile, so too should be the consequence. It can be found at the end of a 38 inch flat-fronted willow-wood blade attached to a cane handle.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 21 August 2021, 10:16

No, you see, I’m not sure you see which point you’re making. You’re saying that what makes incels incels is a societal issue that we need to address, but that isn’t the problem. Unhappy virgins isn’t a problem for humanity to solve. It’s not a problem. It’s just a fact of life.

The problem is that within the unhappy virgins club, there are people that are spiteful pricks. Spite isn’t a problem society can solve either.

Where there is no productive solution with a reasonable prospect of success, make the problem less mobile so that it can be more easily avoided. If you must, use a golf club, the means by which you hobble the issue is of no consequence to me. But hobble.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby PopTart » 21 August 2021, 10:39

Marmaduke wrote:No, you see, I’m not sure you see which point you’re making. You’re saying that what makes incels incels is a societal issue that we need to address, but that isn’t the problem. Unhappy virgins isn’t a problem for humanity to solve. It’s not a problem. It’s just a fact of life.

The problem is that within the unhappy virgins club, there are people that are spiteful pricks. Spite isn’t a problem society can solve either.

Where there is no productive solution with a reasonable prospect of success, make the problem less mobile so that it can be more easily avoided. If you must, use a golf club, the means by which you hobble the issue is of no consequence to me. But hobble.

I am saying that incels identifying as being unhappy, because they are virgins, is incels misapportioning the causes of their unhappiness to something that is easy to understand and rally around, because the true causes of their isolation, anti-social bent and ultimate unhappiness, is far harder to get to grips with and seek resolution too. That it is instead, societal factors at work, that are causing disaffection and despondancy. That we can see similar, albeit, different expressions of the same issue, in other sub groups of young men, in modern soceity.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 21 August 2021, 10:51

No they’re not. As someone that grew up on the outside of the social periphery, I know what kept me there. They know too. People wanting something easy and free is not something you’re going to fix.

You know why you can look at someone in the paper and not be surprise that they’re an incel? It’s because the root cause of their isolation is obvious to everyone and it’s easier for them to rationalise it and lash out than address it.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby PopTart » 21 August 2021, 11:04

Good thing we have you to talk for all those people then Marmaduke. Saves us having to do any meaningful studies, research or rigourous inquiry.

Perhaps you should just write down what everyone else is thinking and their deep rooted motivations. Save us all the bother having to figure things out for ourselves.

What might the title be? The book of Joe? Marmadukes Big Book? The New New Testament?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 21 August 2021, 12:33

The book is called “Let’s not bog ourselves down in studies and actually do something; the pragmatists handbook for change.” by Marm. A. Duke, esq.

PM me a mailing address and I’ll send you a signed first edition.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby PopTart » 21 August 2021, 13:06

Sounds good. I'll send you my email along with a copy of my own book "The permenant solution: treating the causes of symptoms, not just symptoms."

Perhaps we could populate a bookshelf together?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 21 August 2021, 14:00

I’m not sure that would be in-keeping with the tone of your broader repertoire, I’m all too familiar with your approach of just unpacking layer upon layer of deeper cause and effect.

It was the prevailing theme in your seminal tome “Is it naive to think I can change human nature? I think not”

“Treating causes” suggests that your ever-deeper-delving will eventually reach a bedrock of solution. I’m not sure it reconciles with your message thus far. I’m surprised your publishers haven’t flagged it as a less than ideal title.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby PopTart » 21 August 2021, 15:28

So by your reckoning, all the questions have been answered? We know precisely why everyone does everything? I suppose all those philosophers, thinkers, psychologist's across the ages, needn't have bothered ruminating on human existance, they merely needed to wait for your blessed ass to grace the Earth with it's august personage, laden as you are, with unique and singular insight into the human condition. Your answer, beat some sense into them.

As for human nature, while in your curmudgeonly soul, you might believe to have the measure of it (and found it wanting) some of us might feel there are deeper depths to be plumbed and greater truthes to be unearthed, that might shed light on why people do the things that we do. Might human nature be changed? No, but it might be better understood that we might find ourselves able to avoid the greatest shortcomings of it. Were that not the case, then we would never have created ever more complex systems of morality, to temper our natures and allow for the complex and diverse societies we now enjoy, to grow and flourish.

I will point out, I'm not the one, claiming to have all the answers, I'm saying I have questions. You seek to head off any questions, as you feel the inquiry gets in the way of you're already arrived at conclusions. How about, you go back to your corner with your self assured assessment of how horrible all people are and how knee capping the human race sounds like a splendid idea and I will go back to my corner and engage in what you regard as a fruitless exploration of interactions between modern society and basement dwellers in an unending quest for absurdity? Will that make you happy?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 21 August 2021, 15:53

I wonder how those who bill Voter ID laws in the US as disxeiminatory toward blacks manage to finesse their way around mandating vaccine cards.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby erti » 22 August 2021, 18:34

I’m doing ok for the moment… had some depression but it’s been getting better with the antidepressant along with my antipsychotic… and Gabapentin and my mood stabilize. Right now I’m on my period and almost had a crying fit… but today isn’t really bad.

We’re planning to move about 60 minutes away from where I’m right now… we getting a house that’ll has
3 bedrooms and will get a 4th room for me whenever it gets done. There’s like an archer of land out there. Rent here now has gone up… we’re paying over $1100 a month for a 3 bedroom apartment while when we move to the new house is $750 So it’s way cheaper. After 6 years the house is ours!
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Derek » 23 August 2021, 02:33

It's fascinating to me that vaccination turned out to be a bridge republicans won't cross even while holding Trump's hand. I honestly wouldn't have predicted it. Even some Q guys are turning on him. I think it would be different if he was still president. It would be harder for them to fold vaccines into the great, sinister mass of what the "other side" is up to. I theorized before that Trump's power depended on him having the whole world's attention, and I think that's playing out - seven months without a single tweet and he's lost his ability to bend reality.

But where does that leave republicans? They're currently sitting in full-blown paranoia and conspiracy. It could go in any direction.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 23 August 2021, 04:15

Derek wrote:It could go in any direction.

Saying “any direction” sounds incredibly hopeful. I think the only direction is toward lunacy, unless the left manages to find a way to do some reverse psychology on a national level. Maybe like an executive order than bans registered Republicans from receiving the vaccine.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby PopTart » 23 August 2021, 17:54

Derek wrote:I theorized before that Trump's power depended on him having the whole world's attention, and I think that's playing out - seven months without a single tweet and he's lost his ability to bend reality.

But where does that leave republicans? They're currently sitting in full-blown paranoia and conspiracy. It could go in any direction.

I read that there are signs he'll run again. Do you think it's impossible? I'd have said his time was done, but with the recent hit to Bidens credibility. I dunno.

I mean, if there was a no confidence vote in Biden and Kamala took over the presidency, she wouldn't have the majority to appoint a VP, right? Would that trigger an election? I could see the mood right now in the states allowing a sudden Trump resurgence. That would be so weird.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby erti » 23 August 2021, 18:12

Well my roommates 5 years old is playing in the change thing we keep for the kids when the ice cream truck comes in the neighborhood. She thinks she’s money bags. Now is loudly singing that her butt hole itches. Uh 😐
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 23 August 2021, 18:40

Has everyone gotten much bigger, or am I being discriminated against as a midget?

Because I had to pop to the Westfield in Shepherds Bush today to buy a new suit. Could I find a single jacket on the rack in a 36 or 38 inch chest? Or a single pair of trousers in a 30 or 32 inch waist?

46 inch waists and 56 inch chests a-plenty. Wherefore art thou, corpulent businessmen? Because I feel like a see a lot more people in my size range than yours. I mean. What the fuck? FIFTY-SIX INCHES? At what point does it transition from suit jacket to single man tent?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby PopTart » 23 August 2021, 18:45

That's because all the other people are also on the same size range as you, they just got there first.

It's a good sign for our society when the man tents are still on the rack and not being worn by aforementioned corpulent businessmen.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby erti » 23 August 2021, 18:58

I’ve had issues with finding the right size clothes myself when I was bigger… now that I’m down between a 10 -12 size pants size and it’s easier to find clothes… the average size pants for females is a 16. But I’m about 155 -160 lbs atm and a little under 5’3’’ I’m no longer in the obese weight but still trying to be active and eat right and counting calories.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Severelius » 23 August 2021, 19:02

My biggest problem is finding shirts that are long enough. I can get ones that fit fine across the chest, the collar, the arms, all that jazz. But so many of them just feel too short so I feel constantly at risk of flashing everyone the hideous stomach situation if I ever have to lift my arms for any reason.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby erti » 23 August 2021, 19:07

Severelius wrote:My biggest problem is finding shirts that are long enough. I can get ones that fit fine across the chest, the collar, the arms, all that jazz. But so many of them just feel too short so I feel constantly at risk of flashing everyone the hideous stomach situation if I ever have to lift my arms for any reason.


I too have trouble finding shirts as well because I have large breast. I typically wear men’s band t shirts between a large and a extra large in men’s tees
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