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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Derek » 24 August 2021, 00:16

Do you guys think it's unethical or hypocritical for a socialist commentator to buy a $3 million home in West Hollywood for him and his family to live in?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 24 August 2021, 01:25

Derek wrote:Do you guys think it's unethical or hypocritical for a socialist commentator to buy a $3 million home in West Hollywood for him and his family to live in?

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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Derek » 24 August 2021, 02:03

Pff I wish.

It's this dumb controversy that has erupted around a twitch streamer who's a prominent figure in twitch/youtube politics. The angle from conservative critics is basically "Oh so you don't like capitalism, yet you buy things? Interesting." On the other hand, left-wing critics are saying it's immoral to possess or consume that much wealth (I think that's what they're saying, I'm not sure).
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 25 August 2021, 04:28

Derek wrote:On the other hand, left-wing critics are saying it's immoral to possess or consume that much wealth (I think that's what they're saying, I'm not sure).

To what extent? Are they trying to apply Peter Singer’s ethics of never being justified in buying material possessions because that money could’ve gone to saving someone from malaria or starvation?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Derek » 25 August 2021, 04:51

I'm not sure of the parameters. I suppose there's an anti-consumerist argument you could make here. If everyone owned a $3 million WeHo home, that would be even less sustainable than what's already happening. Personally, though, I find it hard to connect that thought back to condemning a specific individual who's just participating in an economy. It's similar to arguments about ethical consumption that sway many vegetarians, though with the crucial difference that killing and animal can be seen as wrong in of itself, but owning a nice house isn't some awful evil thing. At most you can say it's a wasteful use of resources, but it's not like city real estate is an elastic commodity.

I'm sure no one wants to actually use Singer's arguments. If you're arguing with someone on the internet, you've already lost all credibility.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby McTaggartfan » 25 August 2021, 05:00

Derek wrote:Do you guys think it's unethical or hypocritical for a socialist commentator to buy a $3 million home in West Hollywood for him and his family to live in?


Yes, I would suspect it unethical for someone to buy a house worth $3 million. Obviously the permissibility of such an act (or else the lack thereof) is extremely difficult to discern a priori—not to mention impossible to determine either a posteriori or by means of inductive reasoning. Seeing as this is so, I won't bother trying to defend or substantiate my suspicion that such extravagance is a mark of a vicious character (i.e. a character contaminated by vice, either partly or wholly). What I will do, however, is provide a superb passage from Seneca the Younger, within which few paragraphs he describes the line of thinking belonging to Demetrius and the Cynic school in general. Apologies, by the way, for the sheer length of the passage. (Sorryyyy! :heart:)

"I will not cite Socrates, Chrysippus, Zeno, or other standard paradigms—great men, to be sure, but perhaps too great in the popular imagination because envy sets no limits to the praise of our predecessors. A little while ago, however, I brought up the name of Demetrius the Cynic. I think that Nature produced such a contemporary philosopher to show that there was still someone who could not be corrupted by us, nor we be corrected by him. He is a man of perfect wisdom, even if he demurs, and devoted to his principles. And he is eloquent, more remarkable perhaps for vigor than for elegance or fluency. But his style befits one dealing, as he does, with matters of great weight. He speaks from the heart, ex tempore, but at the same time in an orderly and coherent fashion.

I am convinced that he was endowed by divine providence with such a stainless life and with such powers of persuasion that our era should not lack for either a model of behavior or a powerful moral critic. If Demetrius were offered unlimited riches by some god on the condition that he kept it all to himself, my view is that he would decline the offer and say:

'I really cannot chain myself to such a treasure chest, and drag myself down, free and unencumbered as I am now, to the slime at the bottom of the sea. Even if I were to bestow it all on others, I wouldn't accept it, seeing as it includes much that would not be suitable to be given away. I prefer to keep in view before me that which dazzles the eyes of entire nations and their kings; I want to inspect at leisure the things you are ready to pay for with your life and blood.

Begin by spreading out before me the rewards of a life devoted to luxury, arranged in a row, if you like or, better yet, stacked in a heap. I see a tortoise beautified with exquisite designs, and the shells of other foul and slothful creatures bought for an enormous price. And the shells of these creatures have subtle colors, for which they are greatly valued, and which colors are enhanced by the application of dyes rivaling those given by Nature. I see tables fashioned of wood worth a senator's fortune. The more prized examples of these featured a greater share of knots produced by the tree in its original, gnarled and twisted state.

Over here I see crystal bowls and goblets, the value of which is increased in proportion to their fragility; for the pleasure of fools is heightened by a risk that, by all rights, should really dampen it. I see cups carved from semi-precious stone: no doubt men would pay too little for this luxury unless, when they toast each other, they had jewels to hold the wine—wine that, rest assured, they'll eventually just be throwing up. I see pearls, and not single ones designed for each ear; for nowadays, people's ears have been trained to hold up under the weight of whole clusters of pearls. They come in pairs, and above each pair another one is appended. Female vanity has so infected people that two or three fortunes dangling from either ear are needed to sate it. I see silk garments—if you can call 'garments' sheer sheets of fabric that do nothing to protect a woman's body from the elements.

And how is conventional greed for money holding up? So many things exceed it now in the popular imagination. All the goods I mentioned are more highly prized. So I want to examine the two precious metals—things for which one of our masters, greed, drives us to excavate deeply underground.

But just consider, the earth is the source of everything possibly beneficial to us. Gold and silver, however, Nature interred, concealed and burried deep beneath the cumulative weight of the earth, as though it recognized that these minerals were harmful and likely to bring general trouble to humanity. I note that iron is also recovered from the same subterranean murk as silver and gold. For without it, we would lack the raw material to kill one another, or to reward the agents of such slaughter. But there's no denying iron's practical use.

The value of other things that I see, however, is based on utter delusion, in which the eye and mind equally conspire against us. Here I see bonds, deeds and securities—simulacra of genuine wealth, dreams invented by greed to deceive a mind that basks in empty hope. What are these things anyway? Loans, debt-books, interest—they are names for things that don't exist in nature, but which were invented to serve man's materialistic values. I could complain that nature did not bury gold and silver nearly deep enough, that she did not lay a weight upon them too heavy to be removed. But what can I say with respect to these documents of yours, these accounts, these billable hours, this barbarous rate of interest? They are conscious evils that stem from our character—evils that cannot be seen or held in hand—but evils nevertheless that aim to change avaricious dreams into reality.

I pity the person whose chief delight is the inventory of his estate, of the vast tracts of lands tended by prisoners of war, the huge herds that require whole kingdoms and provinces to feed, the army of slaves outnumbering civilized peoples, the private palaces that exceed some cities in extent. Because when the greedy man has made a review of his wealth and, taking careful note of investments and expenditures, is filled with pride, then let him compare what he owns with what he still desires: then he suddenly feels poor. Leave men in peace to enjoy my innate wealth. The kingdom of philosophy I know well: it is great and it is secure; it is mine in the sense that it belongs to everyone.'

And so it was that Demetrius the Cynic only laughed and declined Caligula's offer of two thousand in cash. To him it was not even worth boasting that he had refused such a sum. My god, what a contemptible character the emperor betrayed in trying to compliment, much less corrupt, Demetrius with such a proposition!"
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby McTaggartfan » 25 August 2021, 05:01

Derek wrote:I'm not sure of the parameters. I suppose there's an anti-consumerist argument you could make here. If everyone owned a $3 million WeHo home, that would be even less sustainable than what's already happening. Personally, though, I find it hard to connect that thought back to condemning a specific individual who's just participating in an economy. It's similar to arguments about ethical consumption that sway many vegetarians, though with the crucial difference that killing and animal can be seen as wrong in of itself, but owning a nice house isn't some awful evil thing. At most you can say it's a wasteful use of resources, but it's not like city real estate is an elastic commodity.

I'm sure no one wants to actually use Singer's arguments. If you're arguing with someone on the internet, you've already lost all credibility.


As concerns your saying "owning a nice house isn't some awful evil thing," as opposed to how killing an animal "can be seen as wrong in and of itself," I should refer you to the above post, in which I believe it is clear Demetrius the Cynic would disagree with you.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby PopTart » 25 August 2021, 18:48

Derek wrote:Do you guys think it's unethical or hypocritical for a socialist commentator to buy a $3 million home in West Hollywood for him and his family to live in?

The way I understand it, that would be about the going rate for a family home in West Hollywood, no?

Property prices there are amongst the highest in the country.

Unless I'm mistaken.

If the socialist in question is paying what is average for a property of that type, in that area, I can't see how that would be unethical. It might be a tad hypocritical, if there was more affordable housing in the area that met the same requirements I guess.

If it was to rent out, probably not inline with their professed ideology. But to live in, everyone has to live somewhere.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby OutsideIn » 26 August 2021, 03:40

I'm assuming B&R are on vacation or something?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby rogonandi » 26 August 2021, 05:59

The last three weeks only seemed like three days. Time has seriously been flying lately for me. :shrug:
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby PopTart » 26 August 2021, 19:24

Tell me about it, can't believe we're so close to Christmas already.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Severelius » 28 August 2021, 22:54

Where the actual fuck did I leave my old Kindle?

I really need to de-clutter my fucking bedroom and/or life in general one of these days, holy shit. Why do I have so much stuff and why is most of it not only useless but also in weird fucking places that make no sense?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Jzone » 29 August 2021, 00:29

Severelius wrote:I really need to de-clutter my fucking bedroom and/or life in general one of these days, holy shit.

this is for your fucking bedroom — not life in general...

just an everyday boy — doing everyday things
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby rogonandi » 29 August 2021, 04:46

Derek wrote:Do you guys think it's unethical or hypocritical for a socialist commentator to buy a $3 million home in West Hollywood for him and his family to live in?

No. The average house these days costs about 7 or 8 million dollars. Everyone in America is expected to have that much money.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Derek » 30 August 2021, 05:40

It's been so long since I've exercised that I forgot what endorphins felt like. Did you guys know about endorphins? You should try it. Might try later for some oxytocin and get the whole band back together.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby rogonandi » 30 August 2021, 08:11

Since I don’t smoke anymore I rarely leave the apartment except for errands and work. I hardly ever see or talk to my neighbours anymore. :shrug:
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 31 August 2021, 13:29

Derek wrote:It's been so long since I've exercised that I forgot what endorphins felt like. Did you guys know about endorphins? You should try it. Might try later for some oxytocin and get the whole band back together.

Arnold Schwarzenegger used to say that it feels like you’re cumming but I never got that from either exercise or weightlifting. Maybe I’m doing it wrong?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby pozboro » 31 August 2021, 17:57

poolerboy0077 wrote:
Derek wrote:It's been so long since I've exercised that I forgot what endorphins felt like. Did you guys know about endorphins? You should try it. Might try later for some oxytocin and get the whole band back together.

Arnold Schwarzenegger used to say that it feels like you’re cumming but I never got that from either exercise or weightlifting. Maybe I’m doing it wrong?


no, I'm thinking he was doing IT wrong - okay, another set of 10 thrusts, lean into it, there you go, you can ... doooo ..... it, two more Wonder if he a personal trainer when he was with Maria
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Severelius » 31 August 2021, 18:03

Derek wrote:It's been so long since I've exercised that I forgot what endorphins felt like. Did you guys know about endorphins? You should try it. Might try later for some oxytocin and get the whole band back together.

I've never gotten any kind of positive feeling at all from exercise. Just pain, discomfort, and a desire to go to McDonalds afterwards.
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