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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 9 September 2022, 16:15

poolerboy0077 wrote:What do people mean when they say Queen Elizabeth II dedicated her life to service? Like, she’s a state-mandated celebrity who married her cousin, but I think it’d be a stretch to call that a sacrifice or duty in the ordinary sense of those terms. Someone mentioned something that I agree with which is that the US often gets a lot of flack by Europeans for excessive nationalism but seem to be blinded to it when it comes to fawning over the monarchy. Crying over the queen’s death is like crying over Kobe Bryant’s or Robin William’s. Like, yeah they were people, so it’s sad they’re gone to the extent there’s a human element to it, but most people didn’t know them personally, so it’s all just very odd and weird.

The Queen was very much answerable only to herself. She didn’t have to do very much, constitutionally she’s needed for about half a dozen or so key days on a typical year. And yet, well into her 80s she was maintaining a schedule over 400 public engagements all over the country every year. There’s scarcely a country on earth she hasn’t represented the United Kingdom at and visited, she’s represented us before all the great world leaders of recent history.

She could’ve been a mere state-mandated celebrity and gotten by doing very little with her life, but believed that the crown owed what service it could give to the realm. She was working up until the end. A 96 year old woman. Because she believed she owed it to us. That’s why we’re sad.

Yes, she was a state mandated figurehead simply entrusted with the national identity of the country. We didn’t love her because of that. We respected her because she so clearly never took her position for granted. She knew it was fragile. She made the people a promise when she was crowned and made sure for the next seven decades that she kept it.

Yes, Kobe Bryant and Robin Williams are also dead. Neither Kobe Bryant or Robin Williams made a promise to the United States to dedicate their entire lives to being the example of a national identity on the world stage. She did. And she kept the promise, and so we’re sad she’s dead. Had Robin or Kobe spent seven decades engaged in national politics and international diplomacy as a bedrock of consistency for a nation, perhaps there would have been more of an outpouring of grief when they died. But they didn’t. They just sat about drinking excessively or flying helicopters to an inadequate standard.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 9 September 2022, 16:40

What did these 400 public engagements entail? Dinner? Speaking with officials? Taking pictures? Kobe Bryant had relentless work ethic and mind you he did represent the US at the Olympics as part of the “Dream Team” in 1992. He stayed in the NBA for 20 seasons—20! How many season did the Queen play?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 9 September 2022, 16:57

poolerboy0077 wrote:What did these 400 public engagements entail? Dinner? Speaking with officials? Taking pictures? Kobe Bryant had relentless work ethic and mind you he did represent the US at the Olympics as part of the “Dream Team” in 1992. He stayed in the NBA for 20 seasons—20! How many season did the Queen play?

Yes, those things, and opening new buildings! And launching ships! And being the head of the church! And the head of the army! She had to go places for military parades and receiving salutes all the time! That’s a long day on your feet.

And she’d been Queen for 70 NBA seasons and represented us in person at two Olympic games - one of which she arrived at by Union Jack parachute having jumped out of a helicopter with James Bond at the age of 86.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby René » 9 September 2022, 22:31

poolerboy0077 wrote:What do people mean when they say Queen Elizabeth II dedicated her life to service? Like, she’s a state-mandated celebrity who married her cousin, but I think it’d be a stretch to call that a sacrifice or duty in the ordinary sense of those terms. Someone mentioned something that I agree with which is that the US often gets a lot of flack by Europeans for excessive nationalism but seem to be blinded to it when it comes to fawning over the monarchy. Crying over the queen’s death is like crying over Kobe Bryant’s or Robin William’s. Like, yeah they were people, so it’s sad they’re gone to the extent there’s a human element to it, but most people didn’t know them personally, so it’s all just very odd and weird.

Ah, well, you're American. You wouldn't understand. :P

To be fair, her life's been very hard in many ways. She didn't have much of the freedom we're all used to. She gave up a lot to fulfil the role of constitutional monarch. I think that's what people mean. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to trade places with her.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Severelius » 9 September 2022, 22:44

The only people who stay in public life for anywhere near as long as the Queen as in the US are like random mostly-obscure Congressmen who refuse to retire but live in safe as fuck districts and nobody ever really hears about them.

Like, the longest-serving US Congressman was John Dingell. And I had to look that up, and I guarantee most people have never even heard of him. I sure hadn't.

But the Queen was different. She wasn't some obscure vestigial figure tucked away in some corner somewhere. She was our Head of State. The figurehead of our entire national identity on the world stage. The focal point of every visit from every foreign leader and dignitary. To so many people, she basically WAS the spirit of the country. And she's been that for so long that the vast majority of the world's population has never existed in a time without her as the Queen.

The thing that really brings home for me how much of a constant she's been is that this is the first time I've ever experienced a monarch's death and the crowning of the next... and it's also the first time my retired elderly mother has done so as well. My dad was 7 when the Queen took the throne. It's just one of those things that feels eternal until it's not.

And despite the vocal dickheads pulling the "I'm going to performative wish her a painful death or go out of my way to loudly list every bad thing that happened since 1952 as if they're all her fault because I'm an edgy republican" crap to get attention online, there really was a deep affection for her that's unlike really anything else. I really can't think of anything to compare it to.

We'll never see her like again, and it's actually incredibly sad. I have a tremendous amount of respect and affection for her, despite my views about the institution she was the head of. No monarch, barring some hideous event taking out both Charles and William, will reign for as long as her in my lifetime. Never again, unless some hideous event takes out Charles, William and George, will I hear God Save the Queen as the national anthem.

It is just a surreal moment for the entire country.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Severelius » 9 September 2022, 22:57

Also I just thought about how fucking weird it's going to be when Prince George, currently 9 years old, becomes (presumably) King George VII. That'll be when the reigning monarch is younger than I am, provided I live that long. And that's fucking insane to think about.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Brenden » 11 September 2022, 21:49

Severelius wrote:Also I just thought about how fucking weird it's going to be when Prince George, currently 9 years old, becomes (presumably) King George VII. That'll be when the reigning monarch is younger than I am, provided I live that long. And that's fucking insane to think about.

I just hope Charles III's reign ends before they discover a cure for ageing.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby René » 11 September 2022, 22:25

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Severelius wrote:Also I just thought about how fucking weird it's going to be when Prince George, currently 9 years old, becomes (presumably) King George VII. That'll be when the reigning monarch is younger than I am, provided I live that long. And that's fucking insane to think about.

I just hope Charles III's reign ends before they discover a cure for ageing.

Treason! He hopes the king will die! :runaway:
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 12 September 2022, 08:21

I was thinking that I might go down and see the Queen lie in state. But the BBC News just said that the queue is anticipated to be around 30 (THIRTY!!!) hours. So now I’m thinking I won’t do that. :gaping:
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Magic J » 12 September 2022, 09:32

More treason! Full jacobite. We'll reinstate the House of Stewart. I pledge my allegiance to Duke Francis of Bavaria, and will accept no other. I was hoping the Stewart heir to the throne would just be some confused Texan, this being the funniest scenario, but Duke Franz it is, I suppose.

Also, thirty hours?! Grim. I suppose you'd have been better off taking the train to Edinburgh, if you were so inclined.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Severelius » 12 September 2022, 09:48

Marmaduke wrote:I was thinking that I might go down and see the Queen lie in state. But the BBC News just said that the queue is anticipated to be around 30 (THIRTY!!!) hours. So now I’m thinking I won’t do that. :gaping:

Given my proximity to London I did consider that as well. But the only days I'm not working this week is the weekend which is also when it's probably going to be the busiest and have the longest queue so yeah, probably not actually.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 12 September 2022, 09:56

Magic J wrote:Also, thirty hours?! Grim. I suppose you'd have been better off taking the train to Edinburgh, if you were so inclined.

Did actually cross my mind, but £161 for the train, five and a half hours each way on said train, that train undoubtably being packed, plus getting gouged on a hotel, plus food and drink and still queuing? I liked the Queen, I did, but not £300 to view her coffin liked. If she was propped up in a throne? Different story. But no, I shall not partake. I’d rather have new AirPods.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 15 September 2022, 08:27

You know how people think Meta/Facebook/Instagram/Zuckerberg knows you better than you know yourself?

Well Zuckerberg seems to think I’m somewhat more affluent than I am, I’ve been presented this ad about 6 times now. To buy a new helicopter. Don’t get me wrong, it’s very nice looking helicopter. I am somewhat at a loss as to who buys a helicopter off of the back of an Instagram ad though.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby René » 15 September 2022, 09:28

Marmaduke wrote:You know how people think Meta/Facebook/Instagram/Zuckerberg knows you better than you know yourself?

Well Zuckerberg seems to think I’m somewhat more affluent than I am, I’ve been presented this ad about 6 times now. To buy a new helicopter. Don’t get me wrong, it’s very nice looking helicopter. I am somewhat at a loss as to who buys a helicopter off of the back of an Instagram ad though.

:lol: I've never got anything like that! I wonder what you did to make the algorithm think that was a suitable ad for you.

I do periodically get Amazon notifications to buy food for my non-existent pet.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 15 September 2022, 10:52

René wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:You know how people think Meta/Facebook/Instagram/Zuckerberg knows you better than you know yourself?

Well Zuckerberg seems to think I’m somewhat more affluent than I am, I’ve been presented this ad about 6 times now. To buy a new helicopter. Don’t get me wrong, it’s very nice looking helicopter. I am somewhat at a loss as to who buys a helicopter off of the back of an Instagram ad though.

:lol: I've never got anything like that! I wonder what you did to make the algorithm think that was a suitable ad for you.

I do periodically get Amazon notifications to buy food for my non-existent pet.

I get these sorts of ads all the time, almost exclusively. Someone told Zukcerberg I’m an oligarch and he really bought into it. I just popped on to see what I’d get to respond to this post and it was a 55ft yacht.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Brenden » 15 September 2022, 14:23

Maybe it's all the luxury wristwatches you've looked at?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Magic J » 15 September 2022, 14:48

Ooh, look at mister pennybags over here, what with his helicopter money. I bet you've got your life together, really got all your ducks in a row, huh.

All my ads are just Betfred and some sort of dubious online therapy. Swing and a miss with the betting ads. And the therapy? Please. No therapist can defeat me.

Oh, and Bumble. It really want's me to be on Bumble. So, "single, sad gambling addict" seems to be their profile of me. I love it.

Also, Facebook? BOOMER
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 15 September 2022, 15:08

Brenden wrote:Maybe it's all the luxury wristwatches you've looked at?

I don’t think so, my “for you” screen is just gays and memes these days. But apparently, gays and memes = money because to see what I’d get before replying to this message, I got refined Belgravia residences.

Although the family did recently discover that we’re apparently directly related to Christopher Wren on my maternal side of the family. Maybe Zuckerberg caught wind and assumed I was heir to a vast family fortune?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 15 September 2022, 15:12

Magic J wrote:Ooh, look at mister pennybags over here, what with his helicopter money. I bet you've got your life together, really got all your ducks in a row, huh.

All my ads are just Betfred and some sort of dubious online therapy. Swing and a miss with the betting ads. And the therapy? Please. No therapist can defeat me.

Oh, and Bumble. It really want's me to be on Bumble. So, "single, sad gambling addict" seems to be their profile of me. I love it.

Also, Facebook? BOOMER

I have more fostered a semi-convincing impression of a man with his life together. If you squint, the ramshackle lean-to of my existence that I scramble to hold together could perhaps be mistaken an elegant gazebo.

And I was referring to the company! I don't use Facebook. How dare you. It’s bad enough that I use Instagram and that I can’t convince everyone else in my life to move from WhatsApp to iMessage. I won’t go back to Facebook.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Magic J » 15 September 2022, 15:28

Tried to convince everybody to move from WhatsApp to Telegram (the messaging service, not the defunct communication device). They all think I'm shady now. I just like my memes end-to-end encrypted, nothing despicable.

You're right, I apologise, boomer. Who's even on Facebook these days, anyway? Will check it out for some cheap horror. Who knows, maybe it's the social media platform to scroll through and feel better about yourself?
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