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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Brenden » 20 November 2019, 00:24

poolerboy0077 wrote:
mxguy01 wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:... shouldn’t be made on anecdotal and highly selective grounds.


as always, unless they are your anecdotal and highly selective grounds. You always seem to miss that point.

Again, I’m not basing my criticism on any anecdotes. It’s inappropriate regardless of what happens to them in life. They’re too young to be making those kinds of decisions. I don’t know what the insistence is that they be recruited that young. Let them be.

And what about my point earlier?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Derek » 20 November 2019, 00:48

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Derek wrote:So if you're comfortable declaring religion inherently evil, why not condemn the indoctrination of kids into religion? And if you're comfortable condemning the indoctrination of kids into religion, why not condemn their conscription into the military, an organization that arguably wreaks much greater harm?

Militaries are not inherently harmful. They are absolutely necessary for defence. Surely the issue of teen recruitment should be separate from whether the US military, or any particular military, is good or bad, and should be considered for an idealised military.

I meant the US military specifically. Like, I think it's great that Swiss teenagers join the military and learn how to start fires by rubbing sticks. But the American military and the adjacent apparatuses have for generations done incredible harm, not least to its own personnel.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 20 November 2019, 01:16

Brenden wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:
mxguy01 wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:... shouldn’t be made on anecdotal and highly selective grounds.


as always, unless they are your anecdotal and highly selective grounds. You always seem to miss that point.

Again, I’m not basing my criticism on any anecdotes. It’s inappropriate regardless of what happens to them in life. They’re too young to be making those kinds of decisions. I don’t know what the insistence is that they be recruited that young. Let them be.

And what about my point earlier?

About going into debt? I mean, I wasn’t making the argument in favor of it, so....?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby mxguy01 » 20 November 2019, 02:18

Derek wrote:So if you're comfortable declaring religion inherently evil, why not condemn the indoctrination of kids into religion? And if you're comfortable condemning the indoctrination of kids into religion, why not condemn their conscription into the military, an organization that arguably wreaks much greater harm?

I obviously don't agree with that comment/assumption.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Derek » 20 November 2019, 02:42

I got my first notice from my ISP for pirating copyrighted material. After, like, 10 years of non-stop piracy. It's kind of hilarious how unenforceable those laws are.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby rogonandi » 20 November 2019, 09:07

Derek wrote:I got my first notice from my ISP for pirating copyrighted material. After, like, 10 years of non-stop piracy. It's kind of hilarious how unenforceable those laws are.

Perhaps getting a proxy IP program may help?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Brenden » 20 November 2019, 09:30

poolerboy0077 wrote:
Brenden wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:
mxguy01 wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:... shouldn’t be made on anecdotal and highly selective grounds.


as always, unless they are your anecdotal and highly selective grounds. You always seem to miss that point.

Again, I’m not basing my criticism on any anecdotes. It’s inappropriate regardless of what happens to them in life. They’re too young to be making those kinds of decisions. I don’t know what the insistence is that they be recruited that young. Let them be.

And what about my point earlier?

About going into debt? I mean, I wasn’t making the argument in favor of it, so....?

But that’s a major life decision we allow minors to make, some as young as 16 when you have the start applying.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 20 November 2019, 14:23

Brenden wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:
Brenden wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:
mxguy01 wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:... shouldn’t be made on anecdotal and highly selective grounds.


as always, unless they are your anecdotal and highly selective grounds. You always seem to miss that point.

Again, I’m not basing my criticism on any anecdotes. It’s inappropriate regardless of what happens to them in life. They’re too young to be making those kinds of decisions. I don’t know what the insistence is that they be recruited that young. Let them be.

And what about my point earlier?

About going into debt? I mean, I wasn’t making the argument in favor of it, so....?

But that’s a major life decision we allow minors to make, some as young as 16 when you have the start applying.

I don’t doubt that but I’m not sure the relevance. This detour kind of reminded me of the responses of allowing gay marriage with invoking polygamy, incest, and bestiality. Whether these things would also be good or bad to allow is separate from what one has to do with the others.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Brenden » 20 November 2019, 23:37

poolerboy0077 wrote:
Brenden wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:
Brenden wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:
mxguy01 wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:... shouldn’t be made on anecdotal and highly selective grounds.


as always, unless they are your anecdotal and highly selective grounds. You always seem to miss that point.

Again, I’m not basing my criticism on any anecdotes. It’s inappropriate regardless of what happens to them in life. They’re too young to be making those kinds of decisions. I don’t know what the insistence is that they be recruited that young. Let them be.

And what about my point earlier?

About going into debt? I mean, I wasn’t making the argument in favor of it, so....?

But that’s a major life decision we allow minors to make, some as young as 16 when you have the start applying.

I don’t doubt that but I’m not sure the relevance. This detour kind of reminded me of the responses of allowing gay marriage with invoking polygamy, incest, and bestiality. Whether these things would also be good or bad to allow is separate from what one has to do with the others.

I think a military career at 18 is just as valid as an academic education, and when compared to many academic fields represents far more contribution to society.

University recruiters can be very predatory too, often giving false hope of great career prospects. Worse, the universities have a profit motive, while the military doesn’t!
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 21 November 2019, 17:43

Brenden wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:
Brenden wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:
Brenden wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:
mxguy01 wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:... shouldn’t be made on anecdotal and highly selective grounds.


as always, unless they are your anecdotal and highly selective grounds. You always seem to miss that point.

Again, I’m not basing my criticism on any anecdotes. It’s inappropriate regardless of what happens to them in life. They’re too young to be making those kinds of decisions. I don’t know what the insistence is that they be recruited that young. Let them be.

And what about my point earlier?

About going into debt? I mean, I wasn’t making the argument in favor of it, so....?

But that’s a major life decision we allow minors to make, some as young as 16 when you have the start applying.

I don’t doubt that but I’m not sure the relevance. This detour kind of reminded me of the responses of allowing gay marriage with invoking polygamy, incest, and bestiality. Whether these things would also be good or bad to allow is separate from what one has to do with the others.

I think a military career at 18 is just as valid as an academic education, and when compared to many academic fields represents far more contribution to society.

University recruiters can be very predatory too, often giving false hope of great career prospects. Worse, the universities have a profit motive, while the military doesn’t!

It isn’t about whether an academic career is valid. It’s about whether it’s morally appropriate to have recruiters persuade minors inside a school to enlist in something that involves life and death. Whether other things are also inappropriate are separate and apart from this, but I would certainly reject the idea that being tied up to debt is akin to, say, potentially being the victim of an IED.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Brenden » 21 November 2019, 18:51

So would you also ban logging companies in Alaska and the PNW or fishing companies from jobs fairs? Because those professions have higher on-job mortality than the military.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 22 November 2019, 01:16

Brenden wrote:So would you also ban logging companies in Alaska and the PNW or fishing companies from jobs fairs? Because those professions have higher on-job mortality than the military.

I’m not calling for banning any occupation. We don’t have logging companies recruiting minors. I really don’t know what you’re getting at. There’s also a qualitative difference here. Purposefully invading countries (I’m sorry, “defending our freedoms” :nag: ) is on a different level than occupational hazards.

But honestly what’s your point? What is the logical conclusion of all of this? That our age of consent laws on sex and alcohol should all be upended on the possibility that we may perhaps have some inconsistencies? The line of argumentation here is just bizarre.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Derek » 22 November 2019, 01:32

Is the mortality rate for loggers still higher if you count the people they kill?
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 22 November 2019, 02:19

Imagine having a discussion where one side argues that taxi cab employers are far worse than Al-Qaeda or ISIS recruiters because the former’s employees experience higher rates of death than the latter. That’s the kind of bizarre conversation I’m in right now.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby GearFetTwinkRomance » 22 November 2019, 08:36

Derek wrote:I got my first notice from my ISP for pirating copyrighted material. After, like, 10 years of non-stop piracy. It's kind of hilarious how unenforceable those laws are.


Do they have ways to get around VPN now?

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poolerboy0077 wrote:Imagine having a discussion where one side argues that taxi cab employers are far worse than Al-Qaeda or ISIS recruiters because the former’s employees experience higher rates of death than the latter. That’s the kind of bizarre conversation I’m in right now.


Even may get more weird, if one would think about the fact, that military usually will prevent those recruited by Al Qaeda and IS from inflicting harm.

I remember military informers coming to our school in grade 5-7 or so. That was conscription times. Back then the only alternative was to join the police force, firefighters/ emergency services or conscientious objection to go to community service. So only the mental ill or other unfit ( so seen in gays ) got away. Also, until 1984 any detected, outed gay was dishonorably dismissed from military services. In school times, almost every boy was fan of the military, and some of the girls. I was more into USAF, since two of my Michigan cousins were stationed at Ramstein AB. I don't really understand why in some places, people may drive a car at age 16 and go hunting at an earlier age, if they're thought not able to choose the kind of career they want to go for.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Brenden » 22 November 2019, 12:07

poolerboy0077 wrote:
Brenden wrote:So would you also ban logging companies in Alaska and the PNW or fishing companies from jobs fairs? Because those professions have higher on-job mortality than the military.

I’m not calling for banning any occupation. We don’t have logging companies recruiting minors. I really don’t know what you’re getting at. There’s also a qualitative difference here. Purposefully invading countries (I’m sorry, “defending our freedoms” :nag: ) is on a different level than occupational hazards.

This is why earlier I tried to decouple the discussion of recruitment from the discussion about what any particular military does. The military of the Netherlands for example is pretty much a purely defensive and peacekeeping (via the UN) force.

poolerboy0077 wrote:But honestly what’s your point? What is the logical conclusion of all of this? That our age of consent laws on sex and alcohol should all be upended on the possibility that we may perhaps have some inconsistencies? The line of argumentation here is just bizarre.

I'd wager that logging companies do show up at high-school jobs fairs in some parts of the United States and Canada.

I think you're infantilising 17-18-year-olds by suggesting they can't make an informed decision about joining the military and that military recruitment of them is manipulative (at least any more so than, e.g., university recruitment or any other kind of recruitment).
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 22 November 2019, 18:18

My comment was in regards to a 14-year-old student in a military training program in the U.S., not about 17- or 18-year-olds in the Netherlands. That’s why I’m confused as to what we’re arguing about.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby Brenden » 22 November 2019, 18:20

Oh, I read your first post as high school, not middle, sorry.
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Re: What are you thinking at the moment?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 25 November 2019, 17:12

I’m not sure why my mom decided to show me pics of one of my cousins who I haven’t seen since he was a pudgy little kid. Well, he’s now 19 and incredibly hot. The pic she had me look at showed him shirtless. He had a muscle jock twink body and his face is gorgeous. His body is better than the average Helix Studios porn star! He’s muscular but it’s not overly done. Just perfect. I almost didn’t recognize him since his hair was no longer sandy blonde but light brown. Needless to say I would totes tap that. It puts my other twink cousin to shame. That’s how much hotter he is. Ugh, why does she do this to me? :facepalm2:
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