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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Severelius » 2 October 2020, 10:29

dragonfire wrote:I'm in the fifth year of a three year degree, I doubt you'd do worse than that :P

Part-time study would mean it'd take me 6 years to get an undergraduate degree. If I was starting this year I'd be 35 by the time I finished it, assuming I'm able to get to the end of it successfully.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby René » 2 October 2020, 10:47

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dragonfire wrote:I'm in the fifth year of a three year degree, I doubt you'd do worse than that :P

Part-time study would mean it'd take me 6 years to get an undergraduate degree. If I was starting this year I'd be 35 by the time I finished it, assuming I'm able to get to the end of it successfully.

Completely irrelevant. You'd be meaning to take 6 years. Overshooting by 67%, then, would take you up to 10 years. That's not happening.

By planning your studies to be part-time and easier to cope with, you put yourself on a path where after 5 years you get to feel good about being 83% done with your degree! Rather than bad about being years behind.* That's smart, especially if you already feel anxious about your abilities.

Stop comparing yourself to other people. Please.

*Which dragonfire absolutely should NOT do by the way, but this is Severelius' cheer-up story. I will not have it be used by anyone as an excuse to feel bad. :oface:
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby dragonfire » 2 October 2020, 11:28

Sorry, I couldn't resist a self-deprecating joke :P

Honestly I wasn't trying to put myself down, I'm fine by the way. I just felt like I wanted to add something to the conversation and was too tired to write out a very thoughtful response :noes:

I can sort of relate because I've had a terrible experience as a student in many ways too, although I know your situation is different to mine Severelius. But you wouldn't be too old. There are people of all kinds of ages getting all kinds of degrees for all kinds of reasons.

And an advantage of studying part time is that you can still work, earn income and build your life in other ways at the same time. And you get more time to think about the course content and understand all the concepts that go along with that.

So please ignore me! I guess putting myself "down" can be a form of humour for me, but I didn't mean to divert from the actual conversation :P

You can do this if you want to, don't let age stop you. You're not even old :D
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby René » 2 October 2020, 11:40

dragonfire wrote:Sorry, I couldn't resist a self-deprecating joke :P

Honestly I wasn't trying to put myself down, I'm fine by the way. I just felt like I wanted to add something to the conversation and was too tired to write out a very thoughtful response :noes:

I can sort of relate because I've had a terrible experience as a student in many ways too, although I know your situation is different to mine Severelius. But you wouldn't be too old. There are people of all kinds of ages getting all kinds of degrees for all kinds of reasons.

And an advantage of studying part time is that you can still work, earn income and build your life in other ways at the same time. And you get more time to think about the course content and understand all the concepts that go along with that.

So please ignore me! I guess putting myself "down" can be a form of humour for me, but I didn't mean to divert from the actual conversation :P

You can do this if you want to, don't let age stop you. You're not even old :D

It's important to be able to laugh about stuff. :D

I thought you added meaningfully to the discussion before and just did so again. :)
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Severelius » 2 October 2020, 14:19

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dragonfire wrote:I'm in the fifth year of a three year degree, I doubt you'd do worse than that :P

Part-time study would mean it'd take me 6 years to get an undergraduate degree. If I was starting this year I'd be 35 by the time I finished it, assuming I'm able to get to the end of it successfully.

Completely irrelevant. You'd be meaning to take 6 years. Overshooting by 67%, then, would take you up to 10 years. That's not happening.

By planning your studies to be part-time and easier to cope with, you put yourself on a path where after 5 years you get to feel good about being 83% done with your degree! Rather than bad about being years behind.* That's smart, especially if you already feel anxious about your abilities.

Stop comparing yourself to other people. Please.

*Which dragonfire absolutely should NOT do by the way, but this is Severelius' cheer-up story. I will not have it be used by anyone as an excuse to feel bad. :oface:

I mean to be fair on the course details on their website the OU have a 'time limit' of 16 years. So it's not like it's a "you HAVE to be done in 6 years if you're doing part-time or you fail" so it's good to know there is some leeway if I start at it and then something like work circumstances change and it knocks my schedule a bit and slows the learning process down.

Mainly I'm just daunted by the whole thing of 6 years is one hell of a time commitment. Like as bad as my previous failed attempt at university was at least it only cost me a year and a half of my life, not bloody 6 of them.

And yes I'm aware that constantly harking back to my 18-year-old self's attempt at university is a bad thing to do do. I mentioned the Open University idea to my Area Manager at work yesterday and her immediate response was "you're not 18 any more, that's well in the past, you're a totally different person and more mature now than you were then."
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby PopTart » 2 October 2020, 14:30

Severelius wrote:I mentioned the Open University idea to my Area Manager at work yesterday and her immediate response was "you're not 18 any more, that's well in the past, you're a totally different person and more mature now than you were then."

I think you should listen to your area manager. She has a good and valid point. You aren't the same person you were at 18 and you have come a long way in life ;)

If nothing else, consider that several people have all said the same thing (which, granted, is no guarantee of intelligence or wisdom, thats how old ladies get burned on a stake, for example, but in this instance, neither René, dragonfire, your area manager or myself are lunatics... atleast, as best as I can tell.)

I think you would be able to manage well enough and it's the kind of long term project I suspect you would enjoy, if you pick the right subject for you.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Severelius » 2 October 2020, 14:43

PopTart wrote:
Severelius wrote:I mentioned the Open University idea to my Area Manager at work yesterday and her immediate response was "you're not 18 any more, that's well in the past, you're a totally different person and more mature now than you were then."

I think you should listen to your area manager. She has a good and valid point. You aren't the same person you were at 18 and you have come a long way in life ;)

If nothing else, consider that several people have all said the same thing (which, granted, is no guarantee of intelligence or wisdom, thats how old ladies get burned on a stake, for example, but in this instance, neither René, dragonfire, your area manager or myself are lunatics... atleast, as best as I can tell.)

I think you would be able to manage well enough and it's the kind of long term project I suspect you would enjoy

I just need one person to tell me it's a dumb idea and I can safely use that to justify abandoning the whole concept entirely :rofl:

if you pick the right subject for you.

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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby PopTart » 2 October 2020, 15:34

I'd say both would suit your tastes, disposition and goals.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby René » 2 October 2020, 21:43

As a failsafe, studying at the OU means it's no big deal if, after the first module of one, you decide you don't think this is the way to go and you wanna go back, switch to doing the other qualification and take the first module of the other one next instead of the second module of the qualification you picked originally.

(I'm not sure how that would work with financial support now, but I did something similar way back and no one stopped me. I didn't pay a penny at the time (actually got a few hundred £ a year as a grant to help with things like internet bills and computer purchases :P). I'm sure the OU can tell you more about possibilities like this.)

So it's not like you're stuck with your choice for 6 years. It's not that big a decision/commitment.

And if after the first module it turns out studying like this isn't really for you, there's no shame in just stopping then, or just completing Stage 1 and leaving with a Certificate rather than a full degree, in which case it was by no means a waste of time. It won't feel like dropping out of a regular university.

And if it actually turns out you love studying like this, you could always take a second bachelor in the other subject later in life. :D
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Severelius » 2 October 2020, 22:31

Well the first module of both the English Literature and Creative Writing and the History degrees are the same module anyway...

And on the idea of even further study you can go postgraduate or even for a masters degree with the Open University.

Not that I've looked at those possibilities or anything...
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby René » 2 October 2020, 22:45

Severelius wrote:Well the first module of both the English Literature and Creative Writing and the History degrees are the same module anyway...

Perfect. Even less of a commitment. Pick whichever qualification as a placeholder, then switch at the push of a button after the first module as needed based on how you feel after completing it.

Severelius wrote:And on the idea of even further study you can go postgraduate or even for a masters degree with the Open University.

Not that I've looked at those possibilities or anything...

I say!! I've never heard you this excited about anything before. :runaway:
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Severelius » 2 October 2020, 22:56

René wrote:I say!! I've never heard you this excited about anything before. :runaway:

I'd call it more 'ranging from nervous to terrified and thus unable to think about anything else right now because my brain is running itself in obsessive little circles about this and shows no sign of stopping.'

Also noticing that the longer I think about it the more my potential choice of courses narrows down to just being all about doing History. I had 6 options originally, they got randomly dropped down to two, and now all my brain can focus on is the History course.

I liked doing English Literature in school and college but... there's only so many times you can obsessively read Shakespeare while being told to obsess over the hidden meaning behind every single fucking word choice, you know? Plus I hate poetry with a burning passion and have almost no eye or ear for it whatsoever and I remember poetry being a big focus in English Literature education.

But then I'm predictably back to the issue of: I'm interested in reading and learning about history now but it's entirely possible that interest will implode at first contact with formal education. Like... am I really into history, or am I just a huge Assassin's Creed nerd who watches too many history videos on YouTube for his own good?
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby René » 5 October 2020, 16:51

Amazon keeps thinking it's time for us to buy some cat food and dog-litter bags.

And to get a cat and a dog, apparently.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Severelius » 5 October 2020, 17:45

I had a dream last night that I was getting married to a woman....
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 5 October 2020, 20:03

Severelius wrote:I had a dream nightmare last night that I was getting married to a woman....

FTFY
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Severelius » 6 October 2020, 20:35

Apparently I'm the kind of nerd to visit Washington DC in a driving video game and be annoyed that they got landmarks wrong.

Like sure I'm not expecting exact 1:1 recreation and the major shit is mostly right and relatively where it should be in the scaled-down version of the city. The White House doesn't have a fence round it so you can drive right up the front lawn to the steps and straight into the Rose Garden but whatever.

But.... how do you get the fucking Lincoln Memorial wrong!?

Like it's where it should be. From the outside the building looks absolutely fine. But... there's no Lincoln. Instead of the famous image of Lincoln in the big chair there's just a generic statue of a random woman. I mean did they not think that anyone would ever bother to actually look at the thing? Cause it's kind of a famous landmark that people will want to look at!

Just... gah!

And yes I realise I'm probably the only fucker in the world to care about this.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Magic J » 6 October 2020, 20:54

Severelius wrote:From the outside the building looks absolutely fine. But... there's no Lincoln. Instead of the famous image of Lincoln in the big chair there's just a generic statue of a random woman. I mean did they not think that anyone would ever bother to actually look at the thing? Cause it's kind of a famous landmark that people will want to look at!

I mean... I've never been there irl. Maybe it is just a statue of a generic looking woman? Maybe Lincoln was a generic looking woman? I dunno, might not have payed a lot of attention in the US history classes.

I think I remember Lincoln having a beard, but let's not jump to conclusions. Americans, help me out here.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby dragonfire » 6 October 2020, 21:39

I'm not American, but I'm pretty sure a child wrote him a letter suggesting he grow one.

And then he did.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Magic J » 6 October 2020, 21:43

dragonfire wrote:I'm not American, but I'm pretty sure a child wrote him a letter suggesting he grow one.

And then he did.

I remember reading about that. Something about him having a "scary face", and that he'd look a lot friendlier if he had a beard. :lol:
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Severelius » 6 October 2020, 21:47

That child changed the course of history. Beardless Abe Lincoln is some no-name House Rep from Illinois. But put a beard on him... you've got a President right there!
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