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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby PopTart » 21 August 2021, 10:27

Marmaduke wrote:My paternal grandmother Nan lives in the London. She leaves her mobile phone turned off “in case the battery dies” and can barely turn the TV. My maternal grandparents live in London. They watch nothing but the core five channels, but are admittedly better than my paternal grandmother. None of the three has internet access because they don’t see that they’d use it. They don’t own computers. Only one of them owns a smartphone and she can barely turn it on.

The issue isn’t geographic. It’s generational. My parents still need most streaming services explained to him and would not have any of them if I wasn’t paying for them. If I hadn’t set them up. If I hadn’t paid for the TV that has Netflix and Amazon Prime buttons on the remote. It’s the cash generation, the people that don’t trust technology for whatever reason, they aren’t engaged with it. If they can’t pay for it at a local brick and mortar shop with physical currency, they aren’t comfortable with accessing it.
Really? I mean, my mums a pain with certain things, but not nearly as bad as all that and she lives in the sticks. All my grandparents died years ago, like proper, old school elderly types used to. We're very traditional that way. So they don't tend to sweat internet access much. I get it's a generational thing, but I can get behind people in more rural isolated communities, not having the resources to learn to use alternatives. People in more ubran areas, will have better access or generous and patient grandsons, to help them.

Marmaduke wrote:Don’t get me wrong, I can certainly empathise with wanting to put them in a crate and push them into the sea. But it’s probably easier and cheaper to just socialise what is an excellent and universally accessible service.
:lol: They'd probably just wash back up on shore anyway.

Marmaduke wrote:Not to sound to British or anything, fuck the rest of the world. We have a good thing here and I don’t care that they don’t. The good thing is only perpetually guaranteed as long as it’s funding is. And that is only possible through taxation.

I’m not hamstringing you, I’m just saying, if you don’t like the model as it is, how would you have it be without surrendering everything about it that makes it valuable?
As I've said, I would have it restrict the license fee, to use of it's services only. I would have no problem with the license, if it covered only the viewing, of it's own channels and content. It would be upto the BBC to make that work. Would it be possible? Not if it failed to provide content, people deemed to be of value.

If it is this bastion of great quality and value for money, then surely people will flock to it?
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 21 August 2021, 10:32

Ok, so how do I restrict BBC content to only those who pay for it without them needing to create a login? How do I stop people that haven’t paid from accessing the service to protect the value in what subscribers are paying for?
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby PopTart » 21 August 2021, 10:44

Marmaduke wrote:Ok, so how do I restrict BBC content to only those who pay for it without them needing to create a login? How do I stop people that haven’t paid from accessing the service to protect the value in what subscribers are paying for?

A login is hardly a gargantuan hurdle to overcome :D

They can manage to send out tens of thousands of letters every year, to prospective fee dodgers, employ people to visit homes for inspection etc etc. They might actually save alot of money, by placing a simple requirement of a login, in place to allow people to access their services.

You and they are just dragging their feet, because deep down, you know, that despite all the talk "they are worth it" People would fall away and stop paying for this supposed unrivaled service.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 21 August 2021, 10:48

So you’d need the internet? So you’re proposing necessitating others pay for a service that they might not want to stop you paying for a service you don’t want?
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby PopTart » 21 August 2021, 11:00

Modern tv's which many people have, have BBC Iplayer app setup on them (infact, last I checked, it was a requirement, enforced by the BBC and it is a requirement that the app not be removeable.) Since tv isn't analog any more, it wouldn't be difficult to have a tv, at first start up, use a pin code (that was provided with the license) be required to allow BBC programming to be viewed, unscrambled. On a given television. If they can enforce on tv manufacturers, that BBC be an integral part of a third party product, they can establish a system, by which, fee payers can access the service and non payers cannot.

Cable companies and service providers, the world over have been doing so for years and the suggestion that this is some insurmountable obstacle, is ridiculous.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 21 August 2021, 12:30

How without an internet service? Those apps on your TV don’t operate over the television network. They’re internet connected.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby PopTart » 21 August 2021, 13:02

My point was, that if they can require apps be preinstalled as standard, they can require that tvs sold in the UK, have other software installed as standard, that could decode an otherwise scrambled broadcast or prevent reception of a specific channel.

I think your just being difficult, because you recognise that, for all of your arguments, well reasoned as they may be and not without some merit. If the BBC was no longer allowed to hold hostage all other broadcast television, in order to extort their license fee, many people, might not bother and suddenly, the BBC might be proven to be, not so monolithic, except in the imaginations of those people who support it.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 21 August 2021, 13:54

How are those apps going to know who’s watching the TV without logging in? How do you log in without the internet? You think it’s better to what? Require that people who want to watch the BBC have to essentially buy a TV from the BBC? Or that we should rebuild digital broadcasting from the ground up as some sort of two-factor authentication system whereby a TV is registered to an individual or an address. Am I not allowed to sell my TV anymore? How would I get my TV deregistered for sale and reregistered somewhere else? Is it going to be like car registrations? Are we going to form a TV version of the DVLA? The Television and Viewers Registration Authority? I have to fill out a form and post it to a bureaucratic black hole in Swansea and then I can watch my TV 7-10 working days later? You think that’s not going to cost you money?


That’s such a stupid overcomplication. You’re just holding everyone else to deal with an inconvenience that you’d rather not, regardless of the greater benefit.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Severelius » 21 August 2021, 14:07

I really didn't mean to start a fight in here...
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 21 August 2021, 14:13

Severelius wrote:I really didn't mean to start a fight in here...

This is entirely your fault. I take no blame in it.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby PopTart » 21 August 2021, 15:06

Marmaduke wrote:How are those apps going to know who’s watching the TV without logging in? How do you log in without the internet? You think it’s better to what? Require that people who want to watch the BBC have to essentially buy a TV from the BBC? Or that we should rebuild digital broadcasting from the ground up as some sort of two-factor authentication system whereby a TV is registered to an individual or an address. Am I not allowed to sell my TV anymore? How would I get my TV deregistered for sale and reregistered somewhere else? Is it going to be like car registrations? Are we going to form a TV version of the DVLA? The Television and Viewers Registration Authority? I have to fill out a form and post it to a bureaucratic black hole in Swansea and then I can watch my TV 7-10 working days later? You think that’s not going to cost you money?


That’s such a stupid overcomplication. You’re just holding everyone else to deal with an inconvenience that you’d rather not, regardless of the greater benefit.

Over complication? Like hiring a third party enforcement agency to leaflet households up and down the country and co-opting the police, aswell as the courts to enforce licensing? Are you mad? By means of a simple decoder box, provided with ones paper (or digital) license, the one for freeview costs no more than £30, Virgin Media, Vodafone and O2's talk talk, provide theirs for free! They could do away with an enforcement agency that serves little purpose beyond threatening and intimidating little old ladies into parting with their pension money.

DVLA for the BBC? Yes, it already exists. It's called TV Licensing. Unlike the DVLA, who will keep record of my driving activities, taxation and penalties and contact me only when needed, the TV licensing will hound the life out of me, sending around goons who have a proven track record of underhanded means of intimidation and harrassment, falsifying "evidence" of illegal activity and using deceit to gain access to peoples homes.

Severelius wrote:I really didn't mean to start a fight in here...
Wait, we're fighting? Why wasn't I informed of this?
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby pozboro » 21 August 2021, 15:54

Japan had them when I lived there in the 90s.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby PopTart » 21 August 2021, 16:28

TV license? I think they are fairly common. They are handled differently in alot of countries.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby pozboro » 21 August 2021, 21:12

yeah, TV license. It's just a very foreign concept to those from the USA. No idea if they do or don't have them in Canada and it never came up in Mexico, but I can't say definitively. According to the Font of All Knowledge, Canada and Australia have abolished their licensing programs.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Severelius » 22 August 2021, 19:03

Y'know how I've in the past bitched about the relentless traffic noise from dickhead boy racers and fucking motorbike owners on the road right beneath my window?

Well right now the big conference centre building just down the road from me is hosting an apparently pretty popular motor show, so it's been just a carnival of constant overly-aggressive and unnecessary engine noise for the whole fucking weekend.

I'm really dreading the next air show because that's going to be even fucking worse.

Maybe the fact I might have to move out of this flat soon could be a blessing in disguise.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 22 August 2021, 20:43

If you apparently decided to move next door to an airport, I don’t think you get to complain about the air show. Car show, yes. Valid. Air show? Nope.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Severelius » 22 August 2021, 20:57

The air show is terrible no matter where you live in this town. It's a regular horror that we've all learnt to just live with so even if I move to somewhere else in the same town I'll still have to endure it.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Severelius » 1 September 2021, 13:31

One of my neighbours in my building, or someone visiting one of them I guess, decided to at some point last night or this morning explosively vomit all over the floor just outside the front entrance to the building.

Not even to the side in the corner. Just right out in the middle of the walkway.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby pozboro » 1 September 2021, 16:54

It's interesting to hear that you have problems with FnF Wannabees racing on your streets as well. I live a block south of a state highway and all day and night there are impromptu races as these folks try to prove the manhood to each other. It's really obnoxious but no where near as bad as in the big city where they regularly close down huge motorways and large arterials to preform stunts and race. Simply hate it, but have always detested car culture. And now we have the resurgence of "muscle cars" and the new addition of "muscle trucks". Fuck!

We too used to have an airshow each year that was headquartered about a mile away from my home. It was always a weekend of hell though it bugged me much less than my prior dog: she'd just spend the whole day freaking out over the 'surprise' overflights. We even had a crash into a residential neighborhood one year and post-9/11, they even went so far as to declare a secure perimeter that forced people out of their home during the damn airshow. But none of that mattered since the former mayor's wife was the ED - they even got all the free police protection (RE: taxpayer paid OT) they wanted. Luckily airport construction has forced them about an hour south and it's been such a relief! (Don't think it would bother the current dog much though he might bark at the planes. So far most loud noises don't scare him.) Damn thing threatens to return in May 2022 though.

All this goes on unchecked while climate change is devastating whole regions. Humanity is collectively insane. (But we all knew that, right?)
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby erti » 2 September 2021, 02:33

My roommates 9 year old almost burned down the apartment about half hour ago. Was burning Pokémon cards this time.
“Don't take my devils away, because my angels may flee too.”

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