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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby rogonandi » 16 April 2019, 08:13

poolerboy0077 wrote:Notre Dame Cathedral. :(

I just read about that, too. :(
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby erti » 16 April 2019, 09:44

Spirits want my blood like those sparkley vampires from twilight. they said my blood will allow them to live again.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Ant » 16 April 2019, 14:01

The c*nt at the till in tescos today.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby René » 16 April 2019, 21:18

poolerboy0077 wrote:Notre Dame Cathedral. :(

Indeed :(

It's a shame they couldn't save it using aerial water tankers like your president suggested. But at least a lot of it's still standing.

poolerboy0077 wrote:For anyone who’s ever visited historical buildings in Europe, do you often get the sense that they’re not properly retrofitted? They seem to care more about the aesthetic than preserving their patrimony. You’d think after that one museum in Brazil went down in flames and destroyed countless important historic pieces it would have motivated other more richer countries to invest in their upkeep.

Ironically, they were actually carrying out a €6m restoration project when the fire broke out. I don't think it's a matter of insufficient investment as much as the fact that the wood in these old buildings is really old and dry and they can't exactly replace it, so when a fire does break out, it spreads very quickly.

Maybe they should have been carefully rehumidifying the wood? :shrug:
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Brenden » 16 April 2019, 21:23

These fires seem to happen when they're doing restoration work. There's a famous building in Glasgow that's burned down twice; the first time during a renovation and the second time during rebuilding after the first fire.

Perhaps scaffolding for such projects should now have water sprinklers built in.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby René » 16 April 2019, 21:31

You'd think by now they would have invented something they could spray the wood with that makes it resistant to high temperatures.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Brenden » 16 April 2019, 21:46

It would probably be carcinogenic.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby René » 16 April 2019, 21:49

You'd think by now they would have invented something they could spray the wood with that makes it resistant to high temperatures that's safe for humans.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Capt._Trips » 16 April 2019, 23:50

Brenden wrote:These fires seem to happen when they're doing restoration work. There's a famous building in Glasgow that's burned down twice; the first time during a renovation and the second time during rebuilding after the first fire.

Perhaps scaffolding for such projects should now have water sprinklers built in.


I dont think it's as common as it may seem. But installing a sprinkler system in the scaffolding isnt practical or economical

René wrote:You'd think by now they would have invented something they could spray the wood with that makes it resistant to high temperatures that's safe for humans.


They do have fire proofing sprays available. But on a building that size i couldnt even imagine how big of a project it would be. And the stuff currently available only last for a few years so would need to be repeated.

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poolerboy0077 wrote:Notre Dame Cathedral. :(

Indeed :(

It's a shame they couldn't save it using aerial water tankers like your president suggested. But at least a lot of it's still standing.

poolerboy0077 wrote:For anyone who’s ever visited historical buildings in Europe, do you often get the sense that they’re not properly retrofitted? They seem to care more about the aesthetic than preserving their patrimony. You’d think after that one museum in Brazil went down in flames and destroyed countless important historic pieces it would have motivated other more richer countries to invest in their upkeep.

Ironically, they were actually carrying out a €6m restoration project when the fire broke out. I don't think it's a matter of insufficient investment as much as the fact that the wood in these old buildings is really old and dry and they can't exactly replace it, so when a fire does break out, it spreads very quickly.

Maybe they should have been carefully rehumidifying the wood? :shrug:


Historic building's are always held to much more scrutiny to remain as is. Sadly most of the money they make comes from visitors and tourist expecting to see a perfect example of the past before sprinklers and such.

But Water can be just as damaging if not more then fire in some cases. And the cathedral was actually built with fire in mind. And it burnt exactly as it was designed to if a fire did ever happen. In a congested city their lucky it didnt spread to neighboring buildings.

Sadly buildings like cathedrals are perfect fuel for fires.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Capt._Trips » 17 April 2019, 02:14

erti wrote:Spirits want my blood like those sparkley vampires from twilight. they said my blood will allow them to live again.


Hope your feeling okay? And this has some secret meaning.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Brenden » 17 April 2019, 12:02

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Brenden wrote:These fires seem to happen when they're doing restoration work. There's a famous building in Glasgow that's burned down twice; the first time during a renovation and the second time during rebuilding after the first fire.

Perhaps scaffolding for such projects should now have water sprinklers built in.

I dont think it's as common as it may seem. But installing a sprinkler system in the scaffolding isnt practical or economical

It would be economical for listed buildings of significance like Notre Dame de Paris and the Mackintosh building, where a fire during renovations means exponentially more money being needed. I'm not suggesting sprinkler systems for all scaffolding everywhere.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Brenden » 18 April 2019, 20:38

My stepdad had a heart attack early this morning. They were able to clear the blockage and insert a stent, but he’s in ICU for 24 hours.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Capt._Trips » 19 April 2019, 01:30

^^hope he makes a full recovery. My dad's been sick for a long time now and it really sucks. But im glad he seems to be doing okay

As for the scaffolding. It's still very uneconomical. For the very small percentage of fires that break out during restoration, or any work involving scaffolding on historic buildings. Every historic building would have to pay for that service and work. How it would even work im unsure. Surely it would involve some sort of system of flexible pipes that could be installed and removed and reused. And need to be capable of withstanding all weather conditions . Also installed in a way were its out of the way of being a tripping hazard. And some sort of water tank large enough to be useful on a building the size of the Notre Dame cathedral. Unless they retro fit the current fire hydrants to tap into. Which is a project in itself.

It may sound like an easy solution. But i assure you it wouldn't be that easy. And the cost would have to be added to the bill of every historic building. Most of which run on very limited fund's. But no contractor is gonna invest the money for the materials and the days to install without adding it to the bill. On a building that size it'd add thousands to the bill.

On another note the actual structure of the cathedral is still standing fine. Large amounts of water would've done more damage. Bricks and stones expand and contract with the hot and cold. The fire was on the inside. Treating the stone with water on the outside would've done little to stop the fire. And for sure have caused cracking all over the place. Like i said before the building was built with fire in mind. And the actual structure of the building survived exactly as it was designed to.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby rxxli » 20 April 2019, 10:31

Brenden wrote:My stepdad had a heart attack early this morning. They were able to clear the blockage and insert a stent, but he’s in ICU for 24 hours.

Oh shit. That sounds horrible :hug: .
I hope that he makes a full recovery.




As for the cathedral of the month... While I agree that it should be fixed and rebuilt I find it quite annoying that millions were donated immediately to fix the thing. If this was your local hospital they would be struggling to find the money required. Or at least it would take them much longer.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby LostGuy94 » 20 April 2019, 15:27

rxxli wrote:As for the cathedral of the month... While I agree that it should be fixed and rebuilt I find it quite annoying that millions were donated immediately to fix the thing. If this was your local hospital they would be struggling to find the money required. Or at least it would take them much longer.


More money has already been donated to Notre Dame than what has been donated to the victims of Grenfell Tower which burned down nearly 2 years ago now, says it all really.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 20 April 2019, 15:49

LostGuy94 wrote:
rxxli wrote:As for the cathedral of the month... While I agree that it should be fixed and rebuilt I find it quite annoying that millions were donated immediately to fix the thing. If this was your local hospital they would be struggling to find the money required. Or at least it would take them much longer.


More money has already been donated to Notre Dame than what has been donated to the victims of Grenfell Tower which burned down nearly 2 years ago now, says it all really.

I don’t really subscribe to the two instances being comparable. Nobody wants to see the Grenfell Tower restored to its former glory. Granted, the human cost was much higher, but it isn’t the same. Notre Dame carries with it so much history, it would be really sad to see it lost. What would replace it? I agree that the amount donated does seem excessive, especially considering that the church struggled to raise funds for essential repairs last year and needed much less money - it’s obvious cynical PR exploitation - but comparing the loss of a national landmark to the loss of state provided housing is stupid. Both are tragic, but both have appropriated as much charity as was ever going to be given.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 20 April 2019, 15:51

Brenden wrote:My stepdad had a heart attack early this morning. They were able to clear the blockage and insert a stent, but he’s in ICU for 24 hours.

With some changes in lifestyle, the chances are he’ll be absolutely fine. Here’s hoping he makes them. You could definitely do without the worry, I hope he’s back feeling well soon.
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Brenden » 20 April 2019, 15:58

Marmaduke wrote:
Brenden wrote:My stepdad had a heart attack early this morning. They were able to clear the blockage and insert a stent, but he’s in ICU for 24 hours.

With some changes in lifestyle, the chances are he’ll be absolutely fine. Here’s hoping he makes them. You could definitely do without the worry, I hope he’s back feeling well soon.

I had thought his lifestyle was already pretty good. Since they moved to Arizona, he's been biking to work a lot, and they've recently gone vegan (not that veganism is necessarily super healthy, but people who adopt any sort of diet tend to start watching what and how much they eat). He had been on statins in the past, but his doctor took him off them when his triglycerides improved.

I think it might be because of stress. A few months ago his employer basically put out a job listing for his position. :|
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Re: What put a frown on your face today?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 20 April 2019, 16:02

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Marmaduke wrote:
Brenden wrote:My stepdad had a heart attack early this morning. They were able to clear the blockage and insert a stent, but he’s in ICU for 24 hours.

With some changes in lifestyle, the chances are he’ll be absolutely fine. Here’s hoping he makes them. You could definitely do without the worry, I hope he’s back feeling well soon.

I had thought his lifestyle was already pretty good. Since they moved to Arizona, he's been biking to work a lot, and they've recently gone vegan (not that veganism is necessarily super healthy, but people who adopt any sort of diet tend to start watching what and how much they eat). He had been on statins in the past, but his doctor took him off them when his triglycerides improved.

I think it might be because of stress. A few months ago his employer basically put out a job listing for his position. :|

I have such a bad history of immersing myself in work and then burning out. It’s only really recently that I’ve come to the perspective that advancement and position aren’t all-important and I’d rather be struggling and happy than ‘successful’ by the standards of others and struggling. If it is stress and work stuff, this should hopefully be a really good catalyst for him realising that he’s his own best chance and finding a better work-life balance.
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