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Re: where from

Unread postby René » 3 August 2019, 19:42

mxguy01 wrote:Sometimes you pay the price for the things you want by tolerating the rest of the stuff you don't care much for.

I have a different theory. It is only natural that as we develop, we tend to shape a self-consistent worldview that enables us to get through life in whatever not completely unreasonable place we happen to find ourselves (subject to easy moves, e.g. ones within the US/EU that don't require going through immigration). Likewise for our hobbies, interests, etc.

Notice how rapidly the conditions we're used to become our "minimum requirements".

As a European, it is unthinkable to me to accept that it's okay to be charged $2000 to be taken to hospital by ambulance, that a random medical problem could bankrupt me, that my crazy neighbour might have a collection of fully legal machine guns in his closet, etc.

But as an American, if you felt the same way, you'd probably be pretty depressed. So you will tend to hold different views that fit together to let you enjoy life in the place where you get to live it, emphasising the nice things about living there which, unlike you, I haven't had decades to grow accustomed to.

I bet if you'd grown up here, you'd be all about the NHS and the beautiful Scottish Highlands and guaranteed paid vacations and 97% lower risk of getting shot etc. :D
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Re: where from

Unread postby mxguy01 » 3 August 2019, 21:53

René wrote:
mxguy01 wrote:Sometimes you pay the price for the things you want by tolerating the rest of the stuff you don't care much for.

I have a different theory. It is only natural that as we develop, we tend to shape a self-consistent worldview that enables us to get through life in whatever not completely unreasonable place we happen to find ourselves (subject to easy moves, e.g. ones within the US/EU that don't require going through immigration). Likewise for our hobbies, interests, etc.

Notice how rapidly the conditions we're used to become our "minimum requirements".

As a European, it is unthinkable to me to accept that it's okay to be charged $2000 to be taken to hospital by ambulance, that a random medical problem could bankrupt me, that my crazy neighbour might have a collection of fully legal machine guns in his closet, etc.

But as an American, if you felt the same way, you'd probably be pretty depressed. So you will tend to hold different views that fit together to let you enjoy life in the place where you get to live it, emphasising the nice things about living there which, unlike you, I haven't had decades to grow accustomed to.

I bet if you'd grown up here, you'd be all about the NHS and the beautiful Scottish Highlands and guaranteed paid vacations and 97% lower risk of getting shot etc. :D


You restate my point albeit more eloquently.

>>> beautiful Scottish Highlands
fits right in with my list

>>> guaranteed paid vacations
I get 5 weeks with a pretty decent income. Guaranteed - no. Will I ever work like a slave again - no. In fact I can pretty much argue I get more time off than I will ever need or want.

>>> $2000 to be taken to hospital by ambulance
Last September I had the pleasure of an ambulance ride. Under my circumstances it was a freebie. But otherwise it would have been $100.00 said and done. Now the co-pays for cat scans head to toe were freaking costly. Even then, my out of pocket was well, justified given my circumstances.

Now Dental is just a complete horror in the US!!! Zero dispute there. So much so thought of leaving the country for services. Some day I may but ended up only dealing with a tooth (and then another of course) so the expense was tolerable compared to adding complexity.

>>> my crazy neighbor might have a collection of fully legal machine guns in his closet, etc
I frankly don't have that problem. I do wish that no one had to deal with such. I in no way support legal machine guns or anything near, Even collectors should be required to verify that they are rendered inoperable.

Yes, I do wish I lived in a country with less crime, better health care for all. A living wage for all.
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Re: where from

Unread postby René » 4 August 2019, 13:29

mxguy01 wrote:>>> guaranteed paid vacations
I get 5 weeks with a pretty decent income. Guaranteed - no. Will I ever work like a slave again - no. In fact I can pretty much argue I get more time off than I will ever need or want.

Note the UK's guaranteed paid vacations for workers have no impact on me or Brenden either, as we're self-employed.

We can clearly see the impact of the US' policy on our family members, though. It just seems completely inhumane, and counterproductive (it's well-established that workers getting to take some time off every now and then results in greater productivity).

The US just has its priorities so wrong in so many ways, as an outsider it's pretty astonishing.

Having said that, the Democratic candidate nominees for president this time give me some hope :)
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