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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby Mod » 7 March 2017, 04:46

I didnt like Hacksaw Ridge.
It felt like it used every single tired war movie cliche in the book with a bit of jesus cliches on top.
The movie seemed too busy fetishising violence to really explore the question of whether the main character, a pacifist was enabling the death and violence he was prohibited to commit by god by performing the role of a war time medic.
Portrayals of The Japanese were little better than snarling hordes who exist to give jump scares. I'm perfectly aware of the reputations of WW2 Japanese soldier but even this was stretching things to a complete cartoon caricature.

Directed by Mel Gibson so that explains pretty much evrything about why I didn't like the above.
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby Lucas » 7 March 2017, 10:56

Mod wrote:I didnt like Hacksaw Ridge.
It felt like it used every single tired war movie cliche in the book with a bit of jesus cliches on top.
The movie seemed too busy fetishising violence to really explore the question of whether the main character, a pacifist was enabling the death and violence he was prohibited to commit by god by performing the role of a war time medic.
Portrayals of The Japanese were little better than snarling hordes who exist to give jump scares. I'm perfectly aware of the reputations of WW2 Japanese soldier but even this was stretching things to a complete cartoon caricature.

Directed by Mel Gibson so that explains pretty much evrything about why I didn't like the above.





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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby canguy » 7 March 2017, 11:24

I'm watching V for Vendetta right now
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby rxxli » 7 March 2017, 18:30

Mod wrote:I didnt like Hacksaw Ridge.
It felt like it used every single tired war movie cliche in the book with a bit of jesus cliches on top.
The movie seemed too busy fetishising violence to really explore the question of whether the main character, a pacifist was enabling the death and violence he was prohibited to commit by god by performing the role of a war time medic.
Portrayals of The Japanese were little better than snarling hordes who exist to give jump scares. I'm perfectly aware of the reputations of WW2 Japanese soldier but even this was stretching things to a complete cartoon caricature.

Directed by Mel Gibson so that explains pretty much evrything about why I didn't like the above.

Sometimes I think that you are way too critical.

I do agree that it fetishizes violence a bit. Some of those scenes were definitely a bit over the top. I definitely noticed it, but I wasn't really bothered by it.

As for exploring how a pacifist got himself into the war... I think the movie doesn't go into that because it really isn't that important to the story. The primary goal of this movie is to show us the heroic events of this individual during the war... actually... a specific day of this war. It gives some of the backstory needed for that but it doesn't go into much more detail. Though I also think that the issue lies with the fact that some historic facts just weren't available. As far as I know he never wrote a book or gave any really detailed interviews about his decisions. Though I will watch a documentary about him to check.

The movie itself is based on this documentary:



From what I've seen the movie appears to be pretty historically accurate. He got into the war because he felt like it was his duty to do so. I've seen movie critics expecting to see some moral conflict shown in the movie, but from what I've seen in the documentary there really wasn't any moral conflict.

As for the Japanese soldiers... they were really barely even featured in this. They were really just a faceless attacking mass of people. The Pacific probably did a better job at showing the Japanese forces. But that had a lot more reference material and air time to go into more detail. Here we just had "they are the enemy, they want to kill us" which serves the movie just fine.
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby Mod » 8 March 2017, 21:18

It's not way too critical to talk about the way the director chose to tell the story and what he chose to focus on.
Documentaries and films that do contain moral quandaries will tonally shape how they come across based upon the views of the people making them. Fact is there is a very real interesting question of how a non-violent pacifist war effort can gel with one of the main actions of war, to kill an enemy. We're also talking about a powerful stance where god has told the main character that he cannot kill under any circumstances, a very rigid moral instruction yet he's fine with enabling others to kill.

Anyway back to bad war movie cliches, there's the ensemble cast of guy from brooklyn, guy from italy, angry hunk, blah so on. Then we see Vince Vaughn doing his best impression of a bad version of the Full Metal Jacket drill sergeant (show me your indian war cry lalalalalalala). You've got yer diving on the 'nade scene, your Is he Dead? 'corpse' coming back to life for a jump scare, and your randomly stab a body while a dude plays dead moment. Then you've got your more cartoonish moments of 30 guys charging at the main characters, missing every shot as one guy hits them all with a machine gun, corpses being used as literal human shields, etc. and Gibs. lots and lots of Gibs. So many gibs that the film fixates on the gory 'glory' of war violence with more meaning than it does pacifism.

There's plenty of room to talk about the actions of the director and what the message of the film is transformed to be under his watch than the strict a-b-c of the plot details matching to the broad history.

The main dude also seemed to disappear beneath the veneer of good boy christian. He might have been very much that but it would have helped if they'd given him more of a personality.
Oh and his method of courting his fiance started with some light stalking. That's odd. That's a very odd message to OK to people. The nice morally right guy goes for some light stalking. Another weird choice for the director.

The technical side of it was mostly well done but Hollywood films usually are. Green screen was a bit too obvious in some places.

There were moments where the Japanese seemed to literally have no purpose other than to die. Thsy literally ran into machine gun fire while not bothering to aim or fire properly. That kind of behaviour and giving them fake death movie jump-scares (usually reserved for horror movie monsters) is part of why they were reduced to inhuman faceless hordes.

I don't think I'm being overly critical of this film I'm talking about my feeling on seeing it and my reaction to it. Your post reminded me I'd seen it a couple of days ago so I wrote some thoughts about it. It's fine to like it if you do, for me the flaws were too many. I don't see much point in bothering to defend it. I said how I felt about it and explored why.
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby SS91 » 8 March 2017, 23:47

DEEPWATER HORIZON

Terrific film – one of actor Mark Wahlberg's best. I was completely glued to the TV as I watched this film. I can't recommend it enough. Superb.
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby rxxli » 11 March 2017, 00:51

Mod wrote:It's not way too critical to talk about the way the director chose to tell the story and what he chose to focus on.
Documentaries and films that do contain moral quandaries will tonally shape how they come across based upon the views of the people making them. Fact is there is a very real interesting question of how a non-violent pacifist war effort can gel with one of the main actions of war, to kill an enemy. We're also talking about a powerful stance where god has told the main character that he cannot kill under any circumstances, a very rigid moral instruction yet he's fine with enabling others to kill.

Anyway back to bad war movie cliches, there's the ensemble cast of guy from brooklyn, guy from italy, angry hunk, blah so on. Then we see Vince Vaughn doing his best impression of a bad version of the Full Metal Jacket drill sergeant (show me your indian war cry lalalalalalala). You've got yer diving on the 'nade scene, your Is he Dead? 'corpse' coming back to life for a jump scare, and your randomly stab a body while a dude plays dead moment. Then you've got your more cartoonish moments of 30 guys charging at the main characters, missing every shot as one guy hits them all with a machine gun, corpses being used as literal human shields, etc. and Gibs. lots and lots of Gibs. So many gibs that the film fixates on the gory 'glory' of war violence with more meaning than it does pacifism.

There's plenty of room to talk about the actions of the director and what the message of the film is transformed to be under his watch than the strict a-b-c of the plot details matching to the broad history.

The main dude also seemed to disappear beneath the veneer of good boy christian. He might have been very much that but it would have helped if they'd given him more of a personality.
Oh and his method of courting his fiance started with some light stalking. That's odd. That's a very odd message to OK to people. The nice morally right guy goes for some light stalking. Another weird choice for the director.

The technical side of it was mostly well done but Hollywood films usually are. Green screen was a bit too obvious in some places.

There were moments where the Japanese seemed to literally have no purpose other than to die. Thsy literally ran into machine gun fire while not bothering to aim or fire properly. That kind of behaviour and giving them fake death movie jump-scares (usually reserved for horror movie monsters) is part of why they were reduced to inhuman faceless hordes.

I don't think I'm being overly critical of this film I'm talking about my feeling on seeing it and my reaction to it. Your post reminded me I'd seen it a couple of days ago so I wrote some thoughts about it. It's fine to like it if you do, for me the flaws were too many. I don't see much point in bothering to defend it. I said how I felt about it and explored why.

I meant that you are being too critical on movies in general. Not just this one.

And I didn't try to defend it. I was just having a discussion :lol: . If you haven't noticed I really like talking about movies. You can totally have your own opinion and I am fine with that.
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby Mod » 11 March 2017, 11:29

Mike and Dave Need Wedding Dates is a movie we kept putting off because we wanted to be baked while watching it but after many months of green sobriety we decided to get drunk and watch it instead (actually he put it on without me and I ended up watching it after the first ten minutes and giving up on everything else I'd planned to do that night). It's a really fun dumb comedy that changes things up slightly by including a couple of female comedians who're also as slack and lazy as the main guys. The problem is they've all tricked each other into thinking they're straight laced nice boys/girls and they both secretly want to cut loose and party in Hawaii.

Oh and throughout the movie Alice Wetterlund and Silicon Valley's Kumail Nanjiani show up to steal every scene they're in.

rxxli wrote:I meant that you are being too critical on movies in general. Not just this one.

And I didn't try to defend it. I was just having a discussion :lol: . If you haven't noticed I really like talking about movies. You can totally have your own opinion and I am fine with that.


We come to films from different angles and that's fine. But if I want to rip on a movie I'll do it. Not gonna stop in case people feel I'm too critical. It's how I analyse movies. I don't think I had to fully explore what I thought was wrong about Hacksaw Ridge. I just had some fun writing my blunt feelings on it I didn't even go into it too much in my first post, I just said as much as I thought I needed/wanted to say. I didn't dig into it until you bugged me about it. (the first post wasn't even a proper rip)

I haven't even gone into proper critic mode (for a negative review) about a film or tv show on this site for a long time.

If you're fine with me having my opinion then don't dampen that message by calling me too critical. What you then wrote after that does feel like a series of counterpoints or a defence especially with the whole series of statements put together.

As for 'being too critical'. I probably have a different background on films than you, I think of them from other perspectives. I don't watch as many movies now, usually tv shows, but I've watched a lot of films in the past. I grew up around people that worked in multiple areas of the industry and spent a lot of time analysing them with friends & fam, as well as taking media studies for a few years when I was considering a career in film during high school.
But that still doesn't matter because at the end of the day I was just giving a short list of reads of my thoughts on a movie I saw.


Also looking back one of your longest points was that the film didn't need to cover his journey over why he joined the war. But I never said it needed that. Once he was in the war and people kept asking him why he was helping people perform the action of killing; that's where a conversation or exploration of moral quandary could have happened. That would have been interesting. Anything before could just be him being naive. Actually getting into the guts of war, where the religious sin of killing happens every moment, and he's there saving people who then go out to kill again is an interesting moral topic that the film glossed over. It's interesting because a defence is required because there is a reasonable case to be made to call him a hypocrite for enabling an industry of murder.
It's interesting to me that a movie about a pacifist ends up glorifying war as a spectacle.

I mean, I could just be critical of more things everybody seems to like. It's been a while since I mentioned why I find Game of Thrones to be a huge waste of time or why I think Westworld fucked itself in a rush to have a cool twist ending and a too cleanly resolved finale, or why it took a cool premise and tried way too hard to chase Game of Thrones' audience.
You could also see me write a balanced review of something I really liked, just check out what I wrote for Closet Monster in the film club thread.
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby Lucas » 11 March 2017, 15:30

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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby rxxli » 4 June 2017, 21:19

A Monster Calls

Oh dear. Let's just say that I was not expecting this. But seeing that this was written by Patrick Ness I probably should have. I've cried because of movies before so that was nothing new. The amount of crying was. I just couldn't stop crying for the last 30 minutes of this film. This is a movie that looks like it's made for younger children and families. I would not suggest this movie for younger children. It is dark. Very, very, very dark. Sigourney Weaver has now played in two movies that made me cry. And she was as good as always. You have no soul if this movie doesn't make you cry.

The artwork and the CGI are very good, the soundtrack is excellent and story will just destroy your heart.
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby rxxli » 16 July 2017, 16:32

I finally watched a new LGBT themed movie (sort of).

Hidden Away (2014). It's a cute little Spanish flick. It's about a Moroccan immigrant called Ibra (who is supposedly 14, but he looks a bit older to me) who lives in an immigrant center in Spain. At school or at a party (it's slightly unclear) he meets a local boy (Rafi) who pretty much has a crush on Ibra. But of course Rafi's friends (at least some) seem to be quite racist and shit and don't strike me as homo friendly either. So the movie is about them spending time together while trying to pretty much hide it. And then suddenly Ibra gets a deportation letter and things turn to shit. More or less.

It's a really cute movie, with the story that is quite important in these times. The story is really simple though, and nothing much really happens. It kind of leaves you wanting more, but at least gives you some sort of an ending. I would recommend it for when you are feeling a bit down and just need a cute story to warm you up a bit.
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 24 July 2017, 05:31

Has anyone seen Dunkirk?
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby rxxli » 25 July 2017, 00:04

poolerboy0077 wrote:Has anyone seen Dunkirk?

Not yet. Planing on it.

Why? Have you seen it? Is it any good?
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby dicksonlee » 30 July 2017, 07:54

I know what you did last summer. Slasher movies is the best. :thumbsupwink:
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby René » 30 July 2017, 12:42

In the past week:

Rewatched Interstellar at the cinema on 70 mm film. I loved it despite the goofy non-scientific stuff. I got goose bumps several times. The music contributed a lot. 9/10
Before the movie started, the curtains were drawn and the audiovisual engineer came out and talked about the technology and how he set up the projector and stuff, which was cute.

Beauty and the Beast (2017): They turned it into quite a visual spectacle. I'd love to see it again on a psychedelic sometime. I love Emma Watson so it was great to see her in this, and it was nice to see the ethnic diversity they introduced in the cast. 9/10

Logan: Pretty decent, enhanced as always by Patrick Stewart's performance, but it was mostly action which isn't really for me. 6/10

(We're all caught up on most of the TV shows we watch, so we're watching lots of movies instead now :P)
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby René » 2 August 2017, 21:45

Dunkirk

A ridiculously loud, miserable waste of time. I'm sure others will disagree, but I've never regretted spending £3 to go to the cinema this much. I had half a mind to leave halfway through, but figured I should see it through to the end. I wish I had left.

Even if I had enjoyed the movie in general, the sound was way too loud (even some of the quieter scenes reached 85 dB).

To anyone still planning to see it at the cinema, I recommend wearing something like this.
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 2 August 2017, 21:58

René wrote:Dunkirk

A ridiculously loud, miserable waste of time. I'm sure others will disagree, but I've never regretted spending £3 to go to the cinema this much. I had half a mind to leave halfway through, but figured I should see it through to the end. I wish I had left.

Even if I had enjoyed the movie in general, the sound was way too loud (even some of the quieter scenes reached 85 dB).

To anyone still planning to see it at the cinema, I recommend wearing something like this.

I was planning on wearing a buttplug when I go see it.

Apart from the noise, is it a decent storyline? Decent acting? Do Harry Styles and Fionn Whitehead look cute?
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby René » 2 August 2017, 22:04

poolerboy0077 wrote:
René wrote:Dunkirk

A ridiculously loud, miserable waste of time. I'm sure others will disagree, but I've never regretted spending £3 to go to the cinema this much. I had half a mind to leave halfway through, but figured I should see it through to the end. I wish I had left.

Even if I had enjoyed the movie in general, the sound was way too loud (even some of the quieter scenes reached 85 dB).

To anyone still planning to see it at the cinema, I recommend wearing something like this.

I was planning on wearing a buttplug when I go see it.

I expect you will return more entertained than I.

poolerboy0077 wrote:Apart from the noise, is it a decent storyline? Decent acting? Do Harry Styles and Fionn Whitehead look cute?

There was nothing wrong with the acting. I thought the storyline was a bit boring (but then, it's not really my type of film).

Harry Styles is... not my type of person. :P

Fionn Whitehead was cute, I will say.
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 3 August 2017, 02:15

René wrote:Harry Styles is... not my type of person. :P

Fionn Whitehead was cute, I will say.

In my mind I pretend they've both secretly experimented with each other off the set. :drool:
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Re: Film of the Moment

Unread postby rxxli » 20 August 2017, 14:33

I've watched quite a few movies in the past few days...

Unbroken - I won't lie... I like seeing Jack O'Connell naked and beaten (not necessarily in the same scene :lol: ). And there is a lot of that going on here. But other than that this movie really doesn't offer much. For a war movie it's pretty bland. And I know that they were trying to show despair and fading hope, but I don't think that they really managed it. It was ok, but not anything special. I just didn't connect to it emotionally.




Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them - I didn't know what to expect from this movie. Actually I don't exactly know what I got from it either. It was definitely fun and exciting. The sound was nice, the visuals were nice and the guy playing the main character was cute. The story wasn't bad, but it wasn't particularly complex either. We didn't learn anything about the main character(s), the story was pretty much "there are beasts who escaped and we have to find them". The story with that baddie and the kid felt pretty much unimportant, I don't think that removing it would change the movie at all. All in all - it was fun, but I don't know why it exists.




Power Rangers - I would have probably loved this when I was younger. It kind of reminds me of Agent Cody Banks - a movie that I absolutely loved when I was around 14. But I am not 14 anymore. So I realize that both movies are just absolutely silly. I've actually never watched power rangers before, so this was my first real experience of the franchise. The movie is fun and action packed, but the part where they discover their powers was one of the most cringe-worthy things I have ever seen. But it servers it's purpose. I am pretty sure that it is entertaining for young teenagers.




Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy - Some people seem to highly regard this movie. I am not one of them. I was quite bored when watching it. And bored is not something that one wants when watching a spy thriller. I was not expecting a James Bond movie, but I was expecting a bit more than some old men talking in an office. The acting was good, the whole story wasn't too bad either. It's just that something was missing. People were dead, but there was no sense of danger or anything. I just expected more.
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