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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Iago » 29 March 2013, 03:59

Given the typically poor to average quality of writing in the Disney films, from plot to dialogue to character development, the most enduring aspect is the animation; and so Fantasia, which has none of the former and the best of the latter, is the most timeless.
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Simon » 29 March 2013, 05:29

Yes yes yes.
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby LuciusMalfoy » 29 March 2013, 06:33

You say most timeless, then "the best" Disney film. I would argue those are two separate things.

Fantasia is right up there for timeless, but I've literally never made it through the whole thing without falling asleep at least by the Ave Maria Section at the end. Usually I don't even make it past the pastoral segment.

As for best, I think Snow white and Pinocchio are pretty darn good movies, the music, the art the pacing, all there. Most other classic Disney movies are great looking, but rather boring in every other regard. Oh and Dumbo is actually pretty good as well. Much better as an adult than as a kid. As for modern favourites, I would go with Aladdin, Beauty and the beast, Hercules is pretty entertaining and has a good look. but its sort of fluff at the end of the day, Mulan is similar, its decent, has a good look, but lasting impression is a little lacking.


But I could also re-rate on which has the best animation, design, music, and so on, but as for everything working together, I stand by these.
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby ShutUpAndBeHappy » 30 March 2013, 01:10

For me, my favorites will always be Sleeping Beauty, Mary Poppins, and Ben-knobs and Broomsticks.
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Josh » 31 March 2013, 02:45

I'm going to go FULL-NERD for this post :P
Me and the boyfriend are currently going through the Disney Classic's one-by-one, buying the collection for ourselves as we go. We've just gone through the first ten (struggling to stay awake through the whole of Fantasia), which seemed to show how Disney had a bizarre fetish for Latin America (Saludos Amigos, The Three Caballeros etc.). :P

The Lion King (1994)
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...is definitely my favourite Disney film of all time, and one of the most timeless as it stars animals, rather than people (a few pop culture references aside, most of which have actually so far stood up against the test of time rather well).
- It's based on Shakespeare's 'Hamlet', which although does nothing for me, surely helps it to be quite enduring.
- It produced two fairly decent sequels, which is more than can be said about most Disney films. The first drew influence from Romeo and Juliet. The second drew influences from Much Ado About Nothing and Tom Stoppard's 'Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead' in which the main characters insert themselves into every scene from Hamlet, just as Timon and Pumbaa do in reference to the original film.
- It has produced an awesome theatre production as well, which continues to be a massive success at the West End and Broadway.

Sleeping Beauty (1959)
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...is a brilliant film on so many fronts - it has a traditional fairy tale vibe, but focuses its narrative on characters you'd usually associate to be a bit more secondary. It's antagonist was a creation of undiluted evil - she had no backstory to explain away her evil deeds, she was just bad for the sake of it. More to the point, her villainous hubris might have been her undoing but she got away with robbing two loving parents the joy of raising their daughter. Other strong points to commend the film with...
- The Tchaikovsky score to the film is essentially what directed the movie. It influenced the animation so the two would be in sync, and to a lesser extent, the finer details of the plot. It was the perfect blend of animated storytelling and music, delivering something of a masterpiece.
- The entire film was acted out with real actors before it was animated. Animator Eyvind Earle had a strong desire to bring out the human nature in the main characters. The 'Once Upon A Dream' song was animated using a real location in The Netherlands for inspiration as well as real people.
- Animated in America, using the talents of the Russian Tchaikovsky, using a German orchestra, based on a French story, using influence from the Dutch countryside, and using England as its setting...it was one of the most international projects that Disney had ever done at the time.
- The film used the term 'all the powers of hell' near its end, which caused quite a bit of uproar with religious groups in America and Europe when it was released in the late 50's.
- The infamous castle in the Walt Disney logo is the one from Sleeping Beauty. It's an internationally recognised icon.



I would have to go for Sleeping Beauty which although not my ultimate favourite, is a very timeless film. It's been remembered on the very logo of the company itself... whether you're loading up Tarzan, Mulan, Hercules, Tangled, Pirates of the Caribbean, Finding Nemo, Toy Story or even soon Star Wars and the second Avengers movie... that castle gets everywhere. It involved so many people, and excruciating effort went into it. It was a film that was the product of a creative blend between animation and music and seems to be more of the 'innovative idea' that Disney had always hoped to produce, but previously never could due to WW2 limiting budget (not to mention many films being used as propaganda). So yeah... my nerd-out concludes that Sleeping Beauty is the one :D
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Levi Scott » 4 April 2013, 11:41

pocahontas, peter pan, and of course my all time favorite The lady and the tramp <3
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Krazy » 4 April 2013, 16:49

Here are my Top 5;
1) The Jungle Book - this was the last animation Walt Disney himself saw over - so a classic in his own right.
2) The Lion King - This is just awesome, classic music and how can you say Mufusa and not smile!
3) Fantasia - A bit of a forgotten hero really, only because of Mickey in the Sorcerers Apprentice. The rest is average, but this makes the top 5 easily
4) Aladdin - This is good for reasons that I do not know - but mostly because it has genie in it and fairly catchy songs
5) Mary Poppins - When you don't know what to say - Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!

Other films that make the Top 10 are; (in no particular order) Tarzan (only because of Terk), Toy Story (all 3), Finding Nemo (fish are friends not food), Bedknobs and Broomsticks (animation with live action!), Beauty and the beast (Be Our Guest) and Little Mermaid (Under the Sea) (i know its the eleventh but there are too many good disney films)

Now Discuss! :)
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Elven11 » 5 April 2013, 07:32

well said szazomy!! you know ur shit hahah

what I'm about to say is blasphemy but I'm going to say it anyways......but I hate finding nemo!! always have always will....I dont consider it a disney movie.....the only CGI disney fims I like are incredibles and wreck it ralph and even still id only be able to watch wreck it ralph twice instead of how i usually watch disney movies which is on repeat...
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Simon » 5 April 2013, 07:53

Krazy wrote:3) Fantasia - A bit of a forgotten hero really, only because of Mickey in the Sorcerers Apprentice. The rest is average, but this makes the top 5 easily

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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Josiemonster » 5 April 2013, 09:56

^agreed. Fantasia is awesome. I don't like the Sorceror's apprentice part though as it creeps me out. ahahah
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Krazy » 5 April 2013, 16:11

Its just my personal opinion to be honest! For example I don't like Sleeping Beauty but others do! :)
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Josh » 5 April 2013, 18:30

Elven11 wrote:well said szazomy!! you know ur shit hahah

I will happily accept that I'm a bit of a 'Disney geek' :P I find that Disney (as a genre) is a lot more interesting and insightful than people give it credit for. A lot of people in their late teens decide it's cool to hate Disney, whilst very few back it up with a proper reason as to why. :D

Elven11 wrote:blasphemy......but I hate finding nemo!!

You're right, that is blasphemy :P But still, you're entitled to your opinion. Out of all the Pixar movies, the only one I really didn't like was 'Up'. Ratatouille was a bit weak, and Cars 2 wasn't the best (although not as bad as many people make out) but it is only Up that I really don't like. I haven't seen Brave yet, but may stick it on tonight :D
As for Disney's computer animated films...Dinosaur, Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons, Bolt, and Tangled. The only one I didn't like was Chicken Little... it was tedious. I loved the rest, and look forward to watching Wreck-It-Ralph too :keke:

Krazy wrote:Fantasia - A bit of a forgotten hero really, only because of Mickey in the Sorcerers Apprentice. The rest is average,

I felt that Fantasia was a bit lacking too to be honest. It was beautifully done, but it felt more like a piece of art to observe, than to sit down and watch as a film. The Sorcerer's Apprentice is brilliant, and the Ave Maria sequence at the end is a nice finish. But a lot of it is a hugely acquired taste...to sit down and watch. :S
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Josiemonster » 5 April 2013, 21:36

Oooh this is nice. Curled up in bed with spiced tea and Fantasia - all this disney talk inspired me to watch it. It's been a long while.
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby paul2641 » 6 April 2013, 09:35

Szazomy wrote:Disney had a bizarre fetish for Latin America (Saludos Amigos, The Three Caballeros etc.). :P

Have you actually been able to get these films on dvd/bluray, if so could you possibly tell me where?
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Josh » 6 April 2013, 19:58

paul2641 wrote:
Szazomy wrote:Disney had a bizarre fetish for Latin America (Saludos Amigos, The Three Caballeros etc.). :P

Have you actually been able to get these films on dvd/bluray, if so could you possibly tell me where?

Indeed, I bought them off of Amazon I believe... very cheap as well (less than a fiver, with the P&P added). :)

The only one I couldn't get was Classic #08, Make Mine Music. It's very rare both in the US and Europe - more so over here. It costs about £30 on Amazon so I gave that one a miss :P
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby paul2641 » 7 April 2013, 00:20

Szazomy wrote:
paul2641 wrote:
Szazomy wrote:Disney had a bizarre fetish for Latin America (Saludos Amigos, The Three Caballeros etc.). :P

Have you actually been able to get these films on dvd/bluray, if so could you possibly tell me where?

Indeed, I bought them off of Amazon I believe... very cheap as well (less than a fiver, with the P&P added). :)

The only one I couldn't get was Classic #08, Make Mine Music. It's very rare both in the US and Europe - more so over here. It costs about £30 on Amazon so I gave that one a miss :P

Oh thanks a million, I s'pose I'll have to start buying them online so :)! Are all those Latino based one actually good?
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Josh » 7 April 2013, 01:37

paul2641 wrote:Are all those Latino based one actually good?

They're...different. :lol: They're mostly 'package films', made up of shorter segments so some parts of the films are infinitely better than the others.

Saludos Amigos is very short, at just 45 minutes. In my opinion it's the best of the bunch, as it was quite fun, and I actually learned a thing or two from it as well funnily enough. It's aimed more at children than the likes of Fantasia, as are most of these films, but it was great all the same.

The Three Caballeros has some good segments, but the whole thing begins to drag as it goes on in my opinion, more so than Fantasia was ever guilty of. It ends up feeling like a movie brochure for Latin and Central America, and the segments become overly long and dull... not to mention a bit weird - they make the 'pink elephants on parade' in Dumbo not look crazy :P

I've not seen the rare Make Mine Music. I'll likely stream it online, rather than pay an arm and a leg for it. :P

Fun and Fancy Free breaks away from the Latin America stuff but is quite average. It's got two stories in it, the first of which was overly boring. The second, involving Mickey, Donald and Goofy is okay.

Melody Time is like a poor man's Fantasia, in my opinion. It's not as long, but then it's also not as creative

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I'd say unless you're extremely easily pleased, then the only real reason to dig these out is if you want to say you've seen all the Disney Classics. I'd say one or two of them are probably worth a watch on their own anyway, and it's interesting to see how these films were essentially a form of wartime propaganda, but I doubt you'll watch them again and again. Then again, that's just my opinion :keke:
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby paul2641 » 7 April 2013, 14:08

Szazomy wrote:
paul2641 wrote:Are all those Latino based one actually good?

They're...different. :lol: They're mostly 'package films', made up of shorter segments so some parts of the films are infinitely better than the others.

Saludos Amigos is very short, at just 45 minutes. In my opinion it's the best of the bunch, as it was quite fun, and I actually learned a thing or two from it as well funnily enough. It's aimed more at children than the likes of Fantasia, as are most of these films, but it was great all the same.

The Three Caballeros has some good segments, but the whole thing begins to drag as it goes on in my opinion, more so than Fantasia was ever guilty of. It ends up feeling like a movie brochure for Latin and Central America, and the segments become overly long and dull... not to mention a bit weird - they make the 'pink elephants on parade' in Dumbo not look crazy :P

I've not seen the rare Make Mine Music. I'll likely stream it online, rather than pay an arm and a leg for it. :P

Fun and Fancy Free breaks away from the Latin America stuff but is quite average. It's got two stories in it, the first of which was overly boring. The second, involving Mickey, Donald and Goofy is okay.

Melody Time is like a poor man's Fantasia, in my opinion. It's not as long, but then it's also not as creative

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I'd say unless you're extremely easily pleased, then the only real reason to dig these out is if you want to say you've seen all the Disney Classics. I'd say one or two of them are probably worth a watch on their own anyway, and it's interesting to see how these films were essentially a form of wartime propaganda, but I doubt you'll watch them again and again. Then again, that's just my opinion :keke:

Thanks alot for the advice, I s'pose I will eventually invest in them at some point when I have some spare change :)!
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Michael808702 » 14 April 2013, 17:45

My personal top 3 favorite timeless Disney Films would be;
1) Aladdin
2) Lion King
3) The Little Mermaid
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby 1day » 18 April 2013, 04:13

Grew up watching The Fox and the Hound, Toy Story, and Spirited Away :)
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