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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Sherri » 18 April 2013, 04:56

Mmm, I'd have to say The Lion King. If you look through all of these lists, there are a few things that groups have in common (like Mulan lovers, Sleeping Beauty lovers, Fantasia lovers), but most of these lists have The Lion King on them. Sleeping Beauty is from way before my time, I've never seen Fantasia (and don't desire to), and Mulan didn't interest me.

As for my favorites, somebody already said the Brave Little Toaster doesn't REALLY count, but homg can we just count it this once? :3 Also the Fox and the Hound. Prince of Egypt doesn't count either.. well shit. I guess I'm not big on Disney movies :X. Tarzan counts, right!? >.>
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby furiousgeorge » 18 April 2013, 06:06

The Lion King. Period.

Sure, it's just a rehash of Hamlet. But it was the first Disney movie in my memory that actually had a valuable lesson (not running away from your problems), and it dealt directly with the coping of death (Who does NOT get choked up when -- spoiler alert -- Mufasa dies, or even when he appears later?). The voice cast was star-studded, the musical score was epic, and it actually moved away a bit from the prince/princess cliche. The enemies were family, not just evil outsiders. Plus, you may not think it's important, but it actually put African culture and storytelling in the limelight for a bit, something that doesn't happen very often.

You'd better believe I was there for the theater re-release. :D
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby IndianaBoy » 18 April 2013, 10:56

The Lion King.

All other suggestions are invalid.

Why, you ask?

TL;DR:
1. It's a movie mixing lions with Shakespeare.
2. When you think of The Lion King, you can think of the tattoos I have on my naked body.
3. The Lion King is my go-to therapy. Always has been, always will be. Even when I'm so happy I can hardly bare it, I watch this movie, because I just want to share my happiness with it. It's my security blanket.

How common is the typical fairy tale story? Very.

The Lion King was actually Disney's "B Movie," meaning they were putting the majority of their time and effort into a different movie at the time. However, The Lion King surprised them. It is the second-highest-grossing animated film of all time, worldwide. It's also the highest-grossing film of Walt Disney Animation Studios, and the highest-grossing motion picture of 1994 in the world.

It was originally released in only two theaters, yet ranked 10th in the country. Once it released across the country, it ranked as the fourth-highest weekend-opener of all time, at that time. Oh, and it's the highest weekend-opener for Disney.

It held the record of being the highest-grossing-animated film worldwide until COMPUTER-animated films were produced, meaning it is the highest-grossing-hand-drawn film of all time. However, after being released in 3D, the only computer-animated movie to beat it was Toy Story 3. Which, let's face it, had a much larger build-up.

When you account for The Lion King toys, video games, stuffed-animals, etc., it is the second-highest-grossing film in the world. Second only to Jurassic Park.

I mean, seriously. It came out in 1994. I would do the research, but I'm pretty sure movie tickets were a lot cheaper in 1994 than they are today. I'm sure there's some equation that balances this difference out. I certainly hope so, at least.

Currently, the only Disney movie to beat The Lion King is Toy Story 3.

There is no way a third installment is more of a classic than an original Disney production.

This, to me, is why The Lion King is the most timeless Disney film to-date. If you're not looking at success as a factor, then I'd have to say Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, as it was their first.
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Josiemonster » 18 April 2013, 15:17

1day wrote:Grew up watching The Fox and the Hound, Toy Story, and Spirited Away :)

Spirited Away is Studio Ghibli. Not Disney.
Still an awesome movie though.
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Josh » 18 April 2013, 16:19

Josiemonster wrote:
1day wrote:Grew up watching The Fox and the Hound, Toy Story, and Spirited Away :)

Spirited Away is Studio Ghibli. Not Disney.
Still an awesome movie though.

I believe Disney has all the rights to Studio Ghibli content distribution. It's how they managed to work Totoro into Toy Story 3 :3
That said, the statement was still true so my reply is pretty redundant :lol:
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Josiemonster » 18 April 2013, 17:02

Szazomy wrote:
Josiemonster wrote:
1day wrote:Grew up watching The Fox and the Hound, Toy Story, and Spirited Away :)

Spirited Away is Studio Ghibli. Not Disney.
Still an awesome movie though.

I believe Disney has all the rights to Studio Ghibli content distribution. It's how they managed to work Totoro into Toy Story 3 :3
That said, the statement was still true so my reply is pretty redundant :lol:

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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby ALD » 18 April 2013, 20:51

Aladdin and Lion King are absolute beasts of movies. Whether it's a question of best Disney films or just films generally I'd still rate these two near the top.

We can pretend they didn't have sequels though, because they suck balls.
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby 1day » 20 April 2013, 07:32

Sherri wrote:As for my favorites, somebody already said the Brave Little Toaster doesn't REALLY count, but homg can we just count it this once?



Awesome movie, thought the same in addition to The Land Before Time :)

Are we counting those Disney original movies that were on t.v.? The Paper Brigade, Under Wraps, Halloweentown, The Thirteenth Year, Johnny Tsunami, Don't Look Under the Bed, Smart House, The Luck of the Irish....just sayin :P
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Josh » 20 April 2013, 10:36

The Lion King went back into cinemas here last year, and I was gutted because none of my friends wanted to go and see it with me :shake: I saw it the first time around, but don't remember a bit of that experience D:

As I already posted, I regard Sleeping Beauty as the most timeless Disney film of all - it has the fairytale vibe of Disney, the odd joke or two, is quite witty and is a brilliant piece of art blending film and music. Behind-the-scenes it involved the pain-staking effort and dedication to make that I think Disney was striving for when he started WAY back with Snow White and Pinocchio (before WW2 began impacting the budget and the political messages of his films).

If I had to list my personal favourites my top five would probably be...
1 - The Lion King
2 - Mulan
3 - Sleeping Beauty
4 - Lilo and Stitch
5 - Beauty and the Beast

Special mentions should also go to Dinosaur (very underrated...not perfect, but a great film), Aladdin, Cinderella, Tarzan and Treasure Planet :)


For reference so people don't forget some of their favourites, these are the official Disney Classics...

01 - Snow White and the Seven Dwarves (1937)
02 - Pinocchio (1940)
03 - Fantasia (1940)
04 - Dumbo (1941)
05 - Bambi (1942)
06 - Saludos Amigos (1944)
07 - The Three Caballeros (1944)
08 - Make Mine Music (1946)
09 - Fun and Fancy Free (1947)
10 - Melody Time (1948)
11 - The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr.Toad (1949)
12 - Cinderella (1950)
13 - Alice in Wonderland (1951)
14 - Peter Pan (1953)
15 - Lady and the Tramp (1955)
16 - Sleeping Beauty (1959)
17 - One Hundred and One Dalmatians (1961)
18 - The Sword in the Stone (1963)
19 - The Jungle Book (1967)
20 - The Aristocats (1970)
21 - Robin Hood (1973)
22 - The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977)
23 - The Rescuers (1977)
24 - The Fox and the Hound (1981)
25 - The Black Cauldron (1985)
26 - The Great Mouse Detective (1986)
27 - Oliver & Company (1988)
28 - The Little Mermaid (1989)
29 - The Rescuers Down Under (1990)
30 - Beauty and the Beast (1991)
31 - Aladdin (1992)
32 - The Lion King (1994)
33 - Pocahontas (1995)
34 - The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996)
35 - Hercules (1997)
36 - Mulan (1998)
37 - Tarzan (1999)
38 - Fantasia 2000 (2000)
39 - The Emperor's New Groove (2000)
40 - Dinosaur (2000)
41 - Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2001)
42 - Lilo and Stitch (2002)
43 - Treasure Planet (2002)
44 - Brother Bear (2003)
45 - Home on the Range (2004)
46 - Chicken Little (2005)
47 - Meet the Robinsons (2007)
48 - Bolt (2008)
49 - The Princess and the Frog (2009)
50 - Tangled (2010)
51 - Winnie The Pooh (2011)
52 - Wreck-It Ralph (2012)
53 - Frozen (2013)

NB: The Wild (2006) was initially included as the 47th animated classic, but was removed later on due to its non-in-house production and it's really poor reviews. Dinosaur (2000) was originally not included in the list as Disney had hoped to launch a new line of state-of-the-art CGI films just like it that were independent of the classics list. The average success of the film and closure of the company behind it meant it was later just added to the Classics list in the 39th slot, resulting in a typo on The Emperor's New Groove which was the original 39th classic.
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Marmaduke » 20 April 2013, 12:19

1. The Lion King
= Aladdin
3. Bambi
4. The Aristocats
5. Robin Hood
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Dommy » 20 April 2013, 13:19

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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Odd » 21 April 2013, 08:48

Szazomy wrote:The Lion King went back into cinemas here last year, and I was gutted because none of my friends wanted to go and see it with me :shake: I saw it the first time around, but don't remember a bit of that experience D:

As I already posted, I regard Sleeping Beauty as the most timeless Disney film of all - it has the fairytale vibe of Disney, the odd joke or two, is quite witty and is a brilliant piece of art blending film and music. Behind-the-scenes it involved the pain-staking effort and dedication to make that I think Disney was striving for when he started WAY back with Snow White and Pinocchio (before WW2 began impacting the budget and the political messages of his films).

If I had to list my personal favourites my top five would probably be...
1 - The Lion King
2 - Mulan
3 - Sleeping Beauty
4 - Lilo and Stitch
5 - Beauty and the Beast

Special mentions should also go to Dinosaur (very underrated...not perfect, but a great film), Aladdin, Cinderella, Tarzan and Treasure Planet :)


For reference so people don't forget some of their favourites, these are the official Disney Classics...

[Reveal] Spoiler:
01 - Snow White and the Seven Dwarves (1937)
02 - Pinocchio (1940)
03 - Fantasia (1940)
04 - Dumbo (1941)
05 - Bambi (1942)
06 - Saludos Amigos (1944)
07 - The Three Caballeros (1944)
08 - Make Mine Music (1946)
09 - Fun and Fancy Free (1947)
10 - Melody Time (1948)
11 - The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr.Toad (1949)
12 - Cinderella (1950)
13 - Alice in Wonderland (1951)
14- Peter Pan (1953)
15 - Lady and the Tramp (1955)
16 - Sleeping Beauty (1959)
17 - One Hundred and One Dalmatians (1961)
18 - The Sword in the Stone (1963)
19 - The Jungle Book (1967)
20 - The Aristocats (1970)
21 - Robin Hood (1973)
22 - The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977)
23 - The Rescuers (1977)
24 - The Fox and the Hound (1981)
25 - The Black Cauldron (1985)
26 - The Great Mouse Detective (1986)
27 - Oliver & Company (1988)
28 - The Little Mermaid (1989)
29 - The Rescuers Down Under (1990)
30 - Beauty and the Beast (1991)
31 - Aladdin (1992)
32 - The Lion King (1994)
33 - Pocahontas (1995)
34 - The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996)
35 - Hercules (1997)
36 - Mulan (1998)
37 - Tarzan (1999)
38 - Fantasia 2000 (2000)
39 - The Emperor's New Groove (2000)
40 - Dinosaur (2000)
41 - Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2001)
42 - Lilo and Stitch (2002)
43 - Treasure Planet (2002)
44 - Brother Bear (2003)
45 - Home on the Range (2004)
46 - Chicken Little (2005)
47 - Meet the Robinsons (2007)
48 - Bolt (2008)
49 - The Princess and the Frog (2009)
50 - Tangled (2010)
51 - Winnie The Pooh (2011)
52 - Wreck-It Ralph (2012)
53 - Frozen (2013)

NB: The Wild (2006) was initially included as the 47th animated classic, but was removed later on due to its non-in-house production and it's really poor reviews. Dinosaur (2000) was originally not included in the list as Disney had hoped to launch a new line of state-of-the-art CGI films just like it that were independent of the classics list. The average success of the film and closure of the company behind it meant it was later just added to the Classics list in the 39th slot, resulting in a typo on The Emperor's New Groove which was the original 39th classic.


That list. :|

I think that Treasure Planet was one of the best. :P
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby CrownedClown » 21 April 2013, 11:27

Most timeless - Lion King

Personal Favourites;
1. Fox & the Hound
2. Lion King
3. Anastasia (technically not Disney, but it's so good)
4. Robin Hood
5. Tangled
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Bardock » 21 April 2013, 12:44

CrownedClown wrote:Most timeless - Lion King

Personal Favourites;
3. Anastasia (technically not Disney, but it's so good)


T'was produced by Don Bluth Entertainment which also did Fox & The Hound for Disney

Bartok The Magnificent was also Good :P
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby IndianaBoy » 22 April 2013, 18:32

What I'm getting from all of this: The Lion King.

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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Kenny » 24 April 2013, 17:31

These may not be my personal favorites, but what I perceive as the most timeless Disney movies have to be Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, and/or Cinderella.To this day it seems that the image of a "Prince Charming" and a "princess figure" has been coming back in all sorts of forms, but then mostly in just plain bad/cheesy movies in which the story line of "finding your true love" has been rammed into our minds in a rather awkward way. The subtlety and beauty of these classics will probably never fade, let alone be forgotten
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby PilotMan727 » 24 April 2013, 17:46

1. Loin King
2. Fox and the Hound
3. Alice in Wonderland

Period! :) haha!
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Josh » 24 April 2013, 18:14

ALD wrote:Aladdin and Lion King are absolute beasts of movies. Whether it's a question of best Disney films or just films generally I'd still rate these two near the top.

We can pretend they didn't have sequels though, because they suck balls.

The Aladdin sequels were pretty dire, but I quite liked The Lion King sequels though - the animation may have been less impressive on the second, but it was done with a lot of effort compared to the sequels to say... Cinderella, or Tarzan or Aladdin. It might not have been a patch on the original, but most sequels aren't. I just enjoyed it for what it was :)

Kenny wrote:These may not be my personal favourites, but what I perceive as the most timeless Disney movies have to be Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, and/or Cinderella.To this day it seems that the image of a "Prince Charming" and a "princess figure" has been coming back in all sorts of forms, but then mostly in just plain bad/cheesy movies in which the story line of "finding your true love" has been rammed into our minds in a rather awkward way. The subtlety and beauty of these classics will probably never fade, let alone be forgotten

I watched Cinderella recently, and couldn't believe how much more I enjoyed it. :)


Some moar Disney trivia: originally, Snow White was going to have very clearly died at the end of the film. There were disputes about this within the films production crew, and ultimately the ending is supposed to offer an extent of both a living, and dying outcome. On the one hand, you get the book saying "and they lived happily ever after". On the other hand, they utilised a full Catholic church choir for the closing song (and had White praying earlier on in the film, entailing a religious belief), she says "goodbye" to the dwarves giving the impression she cannot see them again, and most fundamentally the castle is shown to be sitting in the clouds (whilst at the start of the film is shown to be firmly on the ground, hushing claims the animation team couldn't draw a castle on the ground effectively enough). Take or leave whichever interpretation, I'd find it a bit macabre to admit the very first Disney princess was murdered. :P
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby Iago » 25 April 2013, 09:29

IndianaBoy wrote:1. It's a movie mixing lions with Shakespeare.

That is hardly a merit. Shakespeare had no original plots, he just rewrote other stories.
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Re: Most Timeless Disney Film?

Unread postby vvti » 25 April 2013, 10:35

candycorn wrote:The 90's Disney series of The Little Mermaid - Beauty and the Beast - Aladdin - Lion King - Hercules - Mulan - Tarzan (may have missed something...) was excellent in terms of music and storytelling.

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