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Re: TV Show of the Moment

Unread postby Severelius » 14 March 2020, 18:45

Marmaduke wrote:But it will let you watch them in an order seemingly free of any chronological sense?

The only bit of my order that doesn't make sense is starting with TNG.

I do TNG and OS, then watch the films featuring those series' crews to get it all done, then move on to watch the rest of the shows in the order they were produced.
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Re: TV Show of the Moment

Unread postby PopTart » 14 March 2020, 22:15

rxxli wrote:
PopTart wrote:I cant decide if Picard is low key brilliant or just plain dull.

Honestly, as much as I loved Patrick Stewart's titular Picard back in the "TNG" days, I feel he is a tad old now, it shows. He was always somewhat regal in his maturity, but now he just seems infirm.

The plot has been pedestrian in pace and as you say, they have gone with a more edgy, culturally relevant (with current modernity) Federation, that is fighting against intolerance and other issues over its identity.

I think it's too soon to say of this will be a benefit for the show. I'm intrigued to see where the AI storyline will go, the whole Borg thing is interesting and if nothing else, Evan Evagora is easy on the eyes, as Elnor.

Time will tell.

I would say give it a try, with low expectations you might find it... not completely heinous?

To be honest I have no interest to ever watch this show. Especially not from what I’ve heard/seen in the future episodes of RLM on this topic. They have turned star-trek into an action series with stupid catch phrases. Federation is supposed to represent the future that we aspire to not display what is wrong with our current political system.

Joe is right with his assessment. I'd recommend giving Picard a try rxxli, be patient for the first few episodes and I think you'll be okay. It's not Discovery and it's not the rebooted movies either, just as it isnt classic TNG.

But there is a definate aim and goal in mind, in the portrayal of Federation, Picard is still the same character, more or less and the last two episodes I think, have shown that, the Federation of the past, still exists in the hearts of the characters from previous shows.and its through their journey in Picard, that it will be renewed in the series.

That the show is also based in the prime universe is another reason to watch too.
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Re: TV Show of the Moment

Unread postby rxxli » 14 March 2020, 23:14

PopTart wrote:
rxxli wrote:
PopTart wrote:I cant decide if Picard is low key brilliant or just plain dull.

Honestly, as much as I loved Patrick Stewart's titular Picard back in the "TNG" days, I feel he is a tad old now, it shows. He was always somewhat regal in his maturity, but now he just seems infirm.

The plot has been pedestrian in pace and as you say, they have gone with a more edgy, culturally relevant (with current modernity) Federation, that is fighting against intolerance and other issues over its identity.

I think it's too soon to say of this will be a benefit for the show. I'm intrigued to see where the AI storyline will go, the whole Borg thing is interesting and if nothing else, Evan Evagora is easy on the eyes, as Elnor.

Time will tell.

I would say give it a try, with low expectations you might find it... not completely heinous?

To be honest I have no interest to ever watch this show. Especially not from what I’ve heard/seen in the future episodes of RLM on this topic. They have turned star-trek into an action series with stupid catch phrases. Federation is supposed to represent the future that we aspire to not display what is wrong with our current political system.

Joe is right with his assessment. I'd recommend giving Picard a try rxxli, be patient for the first few episodes and I think you'll be okay. It's not Discovery and it's not the rebooted movies either, just as it isnt classic TNG.

But there is a definate aim and goal in mind, in the portrayal of Federation, Picard is still the same character, more or less and the last two episodes I think, have shown that, the Federation of the past, still exists in the hearts of the characters from previous shows.and its through their journey in Picard, that it will be renewed in the series.

That the show is also based in the prime universe is another reason to watch too.

I’ll definitely wait for the end of the series, see the spoilers and then maybe consider it.

My main issue with this are things very well explained in all of the episodes of RLM... suddenly there is rich and poor in federation, prime directive means shit, federation didn’t help romulans, decapitations are ok, seven of nine who is a brilliant scientist is now a badass action hero, ... I could go on and on and on. Why even call this star-trek? What part of star-trek did they not fuck up?
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Re: TV Show of the Moment

Unread postby PopTart » 15 March 2020, 08:38

rxxli wrote:
PopTart wrote:
rxxli wrote:
PopTart wrote:I cant decide if Picard is low key brilliant or just plain dull.

Honestly, as much as I loved Patrick Stewart's titular Picard back in the "TNG" days, I feel he is a tad old now, it shows. He was always somewhat regal in his maturity, but now he just seems infirm.

The plot has been pedestrian in pace and as you say, they have gone with a more edgy, culturally relevant (with current modernity) Federation, that is fighting against intolerance and other issues over its identity.

I think it's too soon to say of this will be a benefit for the show. I'm intrigued to see where the AI storyline will go, the whole Borg thing is interesting and if nothing else, Evan Evagora is easy on the eyes, as Elnor.

Time will tell.

I would say give it a try, with low expectations you might find it... not completely heinous?

To be honest I have no interest to ever watch this show. Especially not from what I’ve heard/seen in the future episodes of RLM on this topic. They have turned star-trek into an action series with stupid catch phrases. Federation is supposed to represent the future that we aspire to not display what is wrong with our current political system.

Joe is right with his assessment. I'd recommend giving Picard a try rxxli, be patient for the first few episodes and I think you'll be okay. It's not Discovery and it's not the rebooted movies either, just as it isnt classic TNG.

But there is a definate aim and goal in mind, in the portrayal of Federation, Picard is still the same character, more or less and the last two episodes I think, have shown that, the Federation of the past, still exists in the hearts of the characters from previous shows.and its through their journey in Picard, that it will be renewed in the series.

That the show is also based in the prime universe is another reason to watch too.

I’ll definitely wait for the end of the series, see the spoilers and then maybe consider it.

My main issue with this are things very well explained in all of the episodes of RLM... suddenly there is rich and poor in federation, prime directive means shit, federation didn’t help romulans, decapitations are ok, seven of nine who is a brilliant scientist is now a badass action hero, ... I could go on and on and on. Why even call this star-trek? What part of star-trek did they not fuck up?

I do understand what you mean. I was a huge trekkie back in my childhood and all the things I loved about it, were what you describe, that it was something to aspire to.

I also get your frustration with new trek. God, it's awful at times.

But I also agree with some of what Marmaduke said, that Star Trek had become stale to a degree, it had fallen into a mold and needed to do something to break that mold, to step outside of itself and say, I'm still relevant, I still have something to say.

As I've become older and, perhaps, a tad more cynical, I recognise the flaws in classic Trek, that it often hand waved certain things. Like human nature for example. It was great to have this always altruistic, noble representation of humanity, which, sometimes made mistakes, but inevitably, always did the right thing.

But I find that harder to take these days. It's harder to ignore our inherent flaws and that, perhaps they dont stem solely from lack of stuff and the money motive but a fundamental aspect of our natures we have yet to overcome and while Star Trek gives us an ideal to which to aspire, it doesnt really explain, how to get there.

I feel that, in some ways, and like much of modern television and story telling in general, that is what this new incarnation of Star Trek is trying to do, but unlike Discovery, which felt woke for the sake of being so and alot of flash and little substance, Picard is trying to keep the original vision of the Federation and its ideals, in its focus, as it explores more uncomfortable realities of who we are, what we do and why.

I think it's that, which sets it apart from the Abrams films and Discovery.

Now for a horrible analogy! If Star Trek was war (I know! The irony!) classic trek (including Tng, ds9 Voy etc) would be the war the world saw in the 1700's, nice neat lines of people, shooting eachother in strict order, with very clear and 'honourable' rules about how battle should be conducted, Discovery and Abrams films, are re-enactments, where everyone dresses just so and pretends to fight, but really, frank is sleeping with Steve on the side but no one would have found out if it wasnt for Jennifer's phone going off when it did, damn it, she should know better than to bring modern shit to the re-enactment. Do. Not. Get. Me. Started. Oh FYI, did you hear about..

... and Picard is modern warfare, where all the pretense has fallen away, where everyone realised, that standing in neat little rows was a great way to get shot and if you really want to win, you might just be better off, slipping in to the enemy camp and cutting off a few heads during the night. It's still war, it's just less polite.

Theres less of an attempt to sweep harsh realities, under the rug.
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Re: TV Show of the Moment

Unread postby Severelius » 17 March 2020, 14:27

Finally decided to catch up with The Flash and am thus finally watching the big Crisis on Infinite Earths cross-over which is so, so good for my nerdy little heart to experience.

It is making me want to do a binge-watch of all of Supergirl though just because oh my god Jon Cryer as Lex Luthor is one of the greatest things I have ever witnessed and I need more of it.
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Re: TV Show of the Moment

Unread postby Marmaduke » 18 March 2020, 20:52

Thanks to my being locked indoors with the Shanghai Shivers, I finally sat down and watched The Mandalorian today. In fact, I sat down and powered through the whole series.

I think I'm going to go against popular consensus and say I don't think I liked it very much. I think I went into it having gathered to much hype.

The production quality, for a TV series, is great. It's not quite the full feature ILM magic you get with a movie, but for TV it's very good. But the story telling is empty, the dialogue is mostly really flat and there just weren't any characters I cared about. The two main protaganists - The Mandalorian and The Child - feel like the writers are holding too much back in their characters. The Mandalorian wears a mask all the way through, so the actor is relying on dialogue that just isn't there to get you to invest. The Child is a puppet with no lines. The supporting cast are pretty meh and not very well fleshed out. Until the last two episodes, you don't even really get a feel for what the story arch of the series is. It's just one episode leading into another, without even a cliffhanger, and the series ends feeling like it was just 8 episodes that were only there to lead up to the next 8 episodes.

Series 2 needs to be a lot better. I'm so happy I had the time and inclincation to find it online and didn't waste money on Disney+ to watch it.
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Re: TV Show of the Moment

Unread postby PopTart » 18 March 2020, 21:45

I also ploughed through a series but was mildly surprised at how much better it was than I had expected it to be.

HBO's watchmen. It was alot better than I expected and some of the criticism I had heard about it, I feel was unfounded.
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Re: TV Show of the Moment

Unread postby Brenden » 18 March 2020, 23:50

Oh, I can’t wait to get back home to a fast internet connection and catch up on all this content!
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