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Re: YouTube Find Thread

Unread postby Sullivan » 2 July 2020, 03:00

Derek wrote:It might be interesting to discuss seriously. My turn rightward didn't have much in common the alt-right. I was very alone in it, and I was never able to find a community that reflected my values back to me. I had to go to different places to indulge my interests in laissez-faire economics, gayness, and the sort of adolescent, Carlin-Hitchens-Harris-style shitposting I'd recognize today as "anti-SJW cringe content". I encountered some of the harder stuff, but it's interesting to note how all the "I used to be alt-right" videos cite their identities as gamers and their participation in those communities as the things that played the biggest role in radicalizing them. I always thought identifying as a gamer was stupid, and it was the gayness in particular that kept me on GTF and on tumblr. I'd cite tumblr as the thing that wore me down on cultural issues and got me to take topics like race and gender seriously. On the other hand, I just sort of talked myself out of the economics side after a while, a for a couple years I was simply apolitical. It was Trump's campaign in 2016 that finally led to me actually seek out a leftist perspective.

Tumblr is the most interesting part of that for me. When I started there I was genuinely annoyed by all the SJW stuff, but it was part of the package for anyone worth following. I stayed because the jokes made me laugh, and a combination of socialization and exposure eventually mellowed my views over a period of a few years. I think it happened there and not on GTF because the more dominant ideological strain on GTF was the kind of apolitical, edgy, free-speech stuff I associate with most internet forums from that era. Also, GTF had LP and he... wasn't a good influence.

I think the lesson to take away both from me and from the good former frogmen of youtube is that political content has to engage you on a social level. The alt-right recruits from gamers and other disaffected whites, and leftist content - the good content, anyway - appeals to a sense of humor and to a genuine curiosity towards history and philosophy. I can tell you from personal experience that no right-wing spaces have both.


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Re: YouTube Find Thread

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Simon? Is that you?
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Oh sorry, I'd forgotten he had thoughtful historical analyses tattooed across his ample buttocks in all those artsy nudes.
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Re: YouTube Find Thread

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 2 July 2020, 03:26

If you had to be the Frank Luntz of the left and fill that void in the left-leaning cultural discourse, how would you be able to reconcile the rhetoric of privileged groups while at the same time including them in a way that isn’t alienating? I think most ideologies attempt to explain the world around them, not strategically solve complex human ecological dilemmas.

As for the lack of intellectualism on the right, do you think it’s because a majority of them, mostly the older generations, are motivated to think through an intuitive lens while the rest have a maniacal fixation with internally coherent beliefs systems even at the risk of being devoid of humanity? Think mxguy01 for the former camp and the WBC for the latter.
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Unread postby Derek » 2 July 2020, 03:42

Sullivan wrote:Oh sorry, I'd forgotten he had thoughtful historical analyses tattooed across his ample buttocks in all those artsy nudes.

Don't get upset. Falling in love with Simon had an effect on me, but so did falling in love with you. I've learned to be more accepting of pansies, fops, Italian-Americans, wonks, and woofters.
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Re: YouTube Find Thread

Unread postby Derek » 2 July 2020, 04:10

poolerboy0077 wrote:If you had to be the Frank Luntz of the left and fill that void in the left-leaning cultural discourse, how would you be able to reconcile the rhetoric of privileged groups while at the same time including them in a way that isn’t alienating? I think most ideologies attempt to explain the world around them, not strategically solve complex human ecological dilemmas.

Class, baby

As for the lack of intellectualism on the right, do you think it’s because a majority of them, mostly the older generations, are motivated to think through an intuitive lens while the rest have a maniacal fixation with internally coherent beliefs systems even at the risk of being devoid of humanity? Think mxguy01 for the former camp and the WBC for the latter.

I think most people, right and left, have no ideological consistency and are basically stupid. WBC is an interesting case, but I think they're better analyzed as a cult, and I don't think theirs is an instructive example of politics. When I was right-wing, I was aware of weak areas in my worldview, but the reason I persisted in it was because it reflected values I believed were my values. I think very few people have an ideology so rigid that they can't accept changing any part of it without the whole thing collapsing. To put it another way, I don't think that morals and internal coherency are odds with each other in practice, in either conservatives or liberals.
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Re: YouTube Find Thread

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 2 July 2020, 04:27

Not to sidetrack the convo but I just thought of something. If American whites weren’t so insanely disdainful of Mexico and wised up they could learn that dwindling numbers don’t necessarily mean a loss of power and privilege. Whites there are a minority yet wield a lot of influence and power. Any white doofus with marginally passable looks can at the very least land him or her a soap opera gig. So they have that to look forward to as everyone else gets replaced by machines.
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Unread postby PopTart » 2 July 2020, 04:45

I've never understood the hate white Americans feel for Mexicans. It would be like the white europeans hating the spanish. Western values, same religion. What gives?

As to the gaming community being quite right, my experience has been one of general toxicity. The community tends to be quite juvenile in general and that is reflected in the constant bickering that takes place amongst its number.
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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 2 July 2020, 04:48

PopTart wrote:I've never understood the hate white Americans feel for Mexicans. It would be like the white europeans hating the spanish Turks.

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Unread postby Derek » 2 July 2020, 05:01

poolerboy0077 wrote:Not to sidetrack the convo but I just thought of something. If American whites weren’t so insanely disdainful of Mexico and wised up they could learn that dwindling numbers don’t necessarily mean a loss of power and privilege. Whites there are a minority yet wield a lot of influence and power. Any white doofus with marginally passable looks can at the very least land him or her a soap opera gig. So they have that to look forward to as everyone else gets replaced by machines.

You sidetracked it. I was really getting into a rhythm talking about myself. I see why youtubers do it all the time.
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Re: YouTube Find Thread

Unread postby Magic J » 2 July 2020, 05:09

Derek wrote:To those liberals, the ennui and atomization that defines the lives of so many today cannot be a material sickness. Theirs is a worldview made up of bad actors, good actors, and nothing else. They can't imagine how a reactionary worldview offers people something they don't, namely an explanation for why they feel so shitty and aimless without concluding that they, a non-oppressed class, are one of those bad actors and deserve to feel the way they do. I'm definitely rambling now.

I think that's a good diagnosis! On the liberal view, I've found that there's a certain Manicheism in a lot of people's politics, in which it's impossible to imagine why somebody might gravitate towards political reaction. In the absence of any material analysis or theory of alienation, it may seem merely pathological or exclusively the product of bad character, and that's a politics that's going nowhere. Bourgeoise moralism, and all that. :P For most people, I'd think it's more effective to engage with why it is that they've been drawn to it, rather than simply denouncing them. The core feeling is alienation, whoever can address it best wins the game.

But the trend is towards a more adversarial kind of politics. That can be good, especially as a tonic for the bloodlessness you mentioned and to reveal divisions which have been occluded, but it's useless if that's all that's on offer. In theory, the left should ultimately be aiming to free everybody from a system which demeans them all. Old school Marx, right there. :P

Derek wrote:In the absence of a satisfying and inclusive left-leaning cultural narrative - something I think is very real and a very big problem - there's a lot of space for reactionary politics to come in.

And yet the ground for an inclusive left politics is absolutely there. The contradiction between our limited ecosystem and an economic system that cannot work within limits is now so apparent to so many. It's the contradiction that could see its undoing, and we're all going to feel it, no matter what smoke and mirrors are conjured. That's one of the major issues which could effectively galvanise a mass movement. Maybe.

Derek wrote:Class, baby

Bit of a kerfuffle going on with the Democratic Socialists of America, in this regard. Have you seen? Lots of phrases like "class reductionism" being thrown around. I'm unsure what to make of it, to be honest.
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Unread postby PopTart » 2 July 2020, 05:11

poolerboy0077 wrote:
PopTart wrote:I've never understood the hate white Americans feel for Mexicans. It would be like the white europeans hating the spanish Turks.

FTFY

Oh, now I get it! :awesome:
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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 2 July 2020, 05:11

Derek wrote:You sidetracked it. I was really getting into a rhythm talking about myself. I see why youtubers do it all the time.

You should try uploading a video of you giving out social commentary while displaying some fps multiplayer game you happen to be playing. It brings a certain Feng Shui to philosophical analysis.
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Unread postby Derek » 2 July 2020, 06:11

Magic J wrote:Bit of a kerfuffle going on with the Democratic Socialists of America, in this regard. Have you seen? Lots of phrases like "class reductionism" being thrown around. I'm unsure what to make of it, to be honest.

The left in this country has been leaning on identity politics for a long time. If socialists want to form a coalition with people from this tradition, it's natural there will be some butting heads over which takes priority. I doubt many people explicitly believe it has to be one or the other, but my distinct impression is that identitarians are more willing to grind political action to a halt if they aren't given due deference (e.g. the AfroSocialist Caucus refusing to endorse Sanders in 2016 when he dismissed the idea of reparations).

poolerboy0077 wrote:You should try uploading a video of you giving out social commentary while displaying some fps multiplayer game you happen to be playing. It brings a certain Feng Shui to philosophical analysis.

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Unread postby Magic J » 2 July 2020, 07:49

Derek wrote:The left in this country has been leaning on identity politics for a long time. If socialists want to form a coalition with people from this tradition, it's natural there will be some butting heads over which takes priority. I doubt many people explicitly believe it has to be one or the other, but my distinct impression is that identitarians are more willing to grind political action to a halt if they aren't given due deference (e.g. the AfroSocialist Caucus refusing to endorse Sanders in 2016 when he dismissed the idea of reparations).

Whilst I don't think I've actually talked to any socialists who thinks class is the be all and end all of analysis, I know many who would likely argue that is "more fundamental", or perhaps "more general", in that the division of labour can create or sustain marginalised identities. I haven't talked to many who've suggested that racial oppression, the oppression of women, gay people, etc, is reducible to class exploitation, or of strictly secondary importance, and I haven't talked to any who claim these issues to be completely unimportant. :shrug:

I've absolutely no doubt that a few of these "class reductionists" exist, though. Likely on Reddit. :P
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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 2 July 2020, 13:41

I’m not sure that’s a few. I mean, how many abolitionists are there within the Defund the Police crowd here in the US? Probably quite a lot. These are the folks who feel that policing is wholly unnecessary because (presumably) crime derives from inequality. If that problem is solved (through fixing income inequality, funding social work and mental health, etc.) then outsourcing security to armed persons is not needed.
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Re: YouTube Find Thread

Unread postby Severelius » 14 July 2020, 18:07

I don't know why but lately I've gotten really into fan-made trailers or music video mashups and stuff on YouTube.



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Unread postby Derek » 8 August 2020, 01:32

I thought you might like these Erick



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