USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Bro » 30 April 2015, 05:09

3-The person who made the thread is not even American...
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Descuff » 2 May 2015, 02:14

GBR89 wrote:The Republicans will likely win. It takes an uncommonly successful presidency for a party to hold the White House for 3 straight terms (Reagan and FDR were the last two presidents popular enough to make it happen, and they're both legends in their respective parties - Obama will never hit 50 percent approval again).

I doubt Clinton even wins the Democratic nomination. She's a Wall Street tool, a grotesque hypocrite, and thoroughly corrupt - and that's by Washington DC standards.


Uh... Clinton have a strong standing. Right now she's the most potential Democratic nominee. If you don't see her being nominated, then who else do you see? I don't really see anyone coming up unless they present much stronger arguments than Clinton.

And I love how you call her all those things when the GoP have more of those on their side of the aisle. Second, if "Bush" get nominated on their side there will mass opposition thanks to Bush Junior. He most likely won't take it home unless Clinton is caught in a massive Scandal. Christie doesn't stand a strong chance either at this point. Everyone else I'll have to wait and see.

The way you're portraying Clinton acts as if America is actually aware of all the corruption or actually care. Many of us will turn a blind eye if we think that a candidate is what we still really want in the White House instead of picking an actual "good" candidate that we need in the House.

Edit: Putting an actual back-up 'evidence' here because why not (polls)
I wonder how many people know this is down here
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Severelius » 2 May 2015, 17:58

Honestly with this one I'd take Bernie Sanders over Hilary Clinton, but I'd take Clinton over any Republican.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby René » 2 May 2015, 18:09

Severelius wrote:Honestly with this one I'd take Bernie Sanders over Hilary Clinton, but I'd take Clinton over any Republican.

Agreed.

No matter how unlikely he is to win without Hillary's corporate money, I'm glad he's running. Hopefully he can at least pull her to the left somewhat.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby GBR89 » 4 May 2015, 05:28

Descuff wrote:
GBR89 wrote:Uh... Clinton have a strong standing. Right now she's the most potential Democratic nominee. If you don't see her being nominated, then who else do you see? I don't really see anyone coming up unless they present much stronger arguments than Clinton.


Politics have little to do with arguments and everything to do with personality. Hillary had the Democratic nomination last time, led Obama by nearly 20 points at this point and lost to him all the same.

And I love how you call her all those things when the GoP have more of those on their side of the aisle.


And I'd *love* to hear some substantiation to that ridiculous claim. Hillary Clinton has been scandal-plagued her entire life. She turned $1,000 into $100,000 with commodity trading in one year back in the 70s, despite no financial training at all. Economists estimate that kind of success happening randomly at 1 in 250,000,000. In other words, she almost certainly engaged in felony trading violations. As Secretary of State, she maintained a private server to guard her activities from the public's eye (against government regulations), then had her server wiped after the House subpoenaed it. Against the Obama Administration's own regulations, the Clinton Foundation accepted over $100 million from foreign governments, and coincidentally, the Foundation "mistakenly" didn't report that $100 million. In yet another coincidence, she reversed multiple public positions shortly after major donations that proved a major boon to the donors who had just donated!

You don't need to convince me that politicians generally are sleazy - I dislike most of them. But Hillary Clinton is a particularly brazen example of unrepentant corruption. I'm not arguing that Democrats generally are more corrupt than Republicans, but that the Democrats can and should do better than Hillary Clinton.

The way you're portraying Clinton acts as if America is actually aware of all the corruption or actually care. Many of us will turn a blind eye if we think that a candidate is what we still really want in the White House instead of picking an actual "good" candidate that we need in the House.


I find it kind of sad that you don't seem to care whether or not our future president is a crook.

Edit: Putting an actual back-up 'evidence' here because why not (polls)


Clinton is certainly well ahead in the polls right now, but they mean next to nothing this far out. She was way ahead in 2008 and lost. A really great example of the fickleness of voters would be the 1988 election: Michael Dukakis led Bush Sr. by 16 points 6 months before the election. Bush won by 7. We have 18 months to go. I'm basing my "Hillary won't make it" prediction on 2008, when she had much more going for her, and she lost anyway.

Edit - sorry, I have an extra quote tag somewhere and I can't find it.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Derek » 4 May 2015, 17:01

I think what she didn't have going for her in 2008 was that she had a rival like Barrack Obama. If her biggest competitor this time around is Bernie Sanders, we can probably expect things to play out differently.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby DannyZ » 28 May 2015, 05:35

Adrian wrote:1- Slightly amused that American election is here in general, UK election thread is in Intellectual Discourse
2- Now that Bernie has declared, I'll had him to the "Too insane for prime time" list


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I have to agree with you on that second point though. The first point has more to do with the OP's choice to make this thread than it has to do with the general intelligence of a nation on the verge of destroying it's prospects within the EU versus the world's one remaining superpower.
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