2020 Presidential Election | General

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If the election were held today and you could vote in it, who would you vote for?

Poll ended at 3 November 2020, 10:58

Donald Trump (Republican)
1
5%
Joe Biden (Democratic)
15
68%
Jo Jorgensen (Libertarian)
1
5%
Howie Hawkins (Green)
2
9%
Brock Pierce (independent)
0
No votes
Kanye West (Birthday Party)
1
5%
other (e.g., write-in)
2
9%
 
Total votes : 22

2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Brenden » 15 September 2020, 10:58

Ding, ding, ding! It's…

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President Donald Trump vs. Vice President Joe Biden

vs. some third-party candidates who honestly have no chance.


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Debate Schedule
29 September — 1st Presidential Debate, hosted by Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio
7 October — Vice Presidential Debate, hosted by University of Utah in Salt Lake City, Utah
15 October — 2nd Presidential Debate, hosted by Adrienne Arsht Center for the Performing Arts in Miami, Florida
22 October — 3rd Presidential Debate, hosted by Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee
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Unread postby Derek » 15 September 2020, 20:06

They're actually going to debate. I was super hoping it would be Hunter vs. Eric and Don Jr.
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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 15 September 2020, 20:31

Wait. What about the fourth presidential debate moderated by Joe Rogan?
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Unread postby Brenden » 16 September 2020, 16:06

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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 17 September 2020, 15:52

Someone who worked with him when he was VP said that he would strip down naked just to go into the pool. I’m guessing so they would see him and he’d somehow get off on that.
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Unread postby Brenden » 17 September 2020, 21:20

Just got my ballot in my email. For the first time in my life, I'm an undecided voter. :gaping:
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Unread postby Jzone » 18 September 2020, 19:55

Brenden wrote:Just got my ballot in my email. For the first time in my life, I'm an undecided voter. :gaping:

Really? (Assuming you mean the US presidential election) I don't understand anyone voting for Trump. Listening to him talk about the pandemic; he is a monster who does not value American lives and dismisses anyone (regardless of their expertise) who disagrees with his simple-minded thoughts on the subject. The standing of the USA has dropped dramatically since he took office, and we may never regain the same level of respect internationally.

Yes, he promotes some conservative causes and legislation, but at far too great a cost. Biden is no hero and there is much room for improvement in the Democratic party, but I hope we can at least stop the bleeding before the American spirit becomes anemic.
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Unread postby Derek » 18 September 2020, 21:26

He's not considering voting for Trump. I feel like our months of salty shitposting have fallen on deaf ears.
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Unread postby Brenden » 18 September 2020, 21:35

Yeah, the choice for me isn’t Biden or Trump, it’s Biden or blank or third party or write-in.

I’m thinking that I really can’t bring myself to vote for Kamala the Cop. She is responsible for so much misery in California. :shake:
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Unread postby Jzone » 18 September 2020, 21:52

Don't kid yourselves. This election is only a referendum on Trump. A vote for anyone but Biden is a vote for four more years.
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Unread postby Derek » 18 September 2020, 22:24

For me the issue isn't the next four years, but the next fifty. Left-wing people have been asked to compromise again and again, and we're somehow expected not to point out that the conservatives keep ratcheting further to the right and liberals feel compelled to chase them to the center. What's the end point of this trajectory?
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Unread postby Brenden » 18 September 2020, 22:28

Four more years of naked corruption and incompetent Republican leadership is perhaps better for America in the long run than a return to competent corruption under right-wing Democrats.
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Unread postby Derek » 19 September 2020, 00:54

Welp, she's dead. Feels a lot more pointless now.
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Unread postby Jzone » 19 September 2020, 01:10

I strongly disagree, Brenden. The ultra-right Republicans will do more damage to America than the right-wing Democrats. Trump/Pence/Barr are empowering the "American Taliban" — religious fanatics who are anti-science, anti-immigrant, anti-gay/trans. Allowing this unfortunate aspect of American culture to gain ground is a real threat. Now with the makeup of the Supreme Court changing, it may be impossible to stop them.

To me, following is the most frightening news story in the US today. Easy to miss and seemingly a small thing. We are accustomed to this sort of story in Afghanistan or some African nations, but this is a first in the US as far as I know.

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Unread postby René » 19 September 2020, 01:38

Derek wrote:Welp, she's dead.

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She was such an awesome justice. And person in general. Having a personal trainer and lifting weights at her age :P
At least you know she did her best to stay healthy.
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Unread postby René » 19 September 2020, 01:45

Jzone wrote:I strongly disagree, Brenden. The ultra-right Republicans will do more damage to America than the right-wing Democrats. Trump/Pence/Barr are empowering the "American Taliban" — religious fanatics who are anti-science, anti-immigrant, anti-gay/trans. Allowing this unfortunate aspect of American culture to gain ground is a real threat. Now with the makeup of the Supreme Court changing, it may be impossible to stop them.

I thought Derek raised some good points on this topic in the primary thread:

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Derek wrote:The concessions would have to be pretty damn big. I don't think Biden wouldn't dismantle social security if Mitch McConnell said please and gave him a firm handshake.

Basically the argument is Biden or a 7-2 Supreme Court, which isn't a bad argument exactly, but a monstrously infuriating one.

Derek wrote:
Sullivan wrote:I'm looking at it less as a vote for Biden and more as a vote against Trump. Given that abstention is implicitly to prefer the status quo over a Biden presidency, I really don't see how sitting the election out on account of principle could be done.

The way I see it, the status quo has existed for longer than Trump's first term. What did eight years of Obama do to relieve of us imperialism, inequality, or corruption? Fuck all. So what's the point of four years of Biden if President Tom Cotton is waiting for us in 2024?

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Derek wrote:The way I see it, the status quo has existed for longer than Trump's first term. What did eight years of Obama do to relieve of us imperialism, inequality, or corruption? Fuck all. So what's the point of four years of Biden if President Tom Cotton is waiting for us in 2024?

I think my rebuttal would need to be that just because the spectrum along which business as usual operates is narrow doesn't mean it ought to be collapsed entirely. Sure, a glad-handing, windsocky politician like Biden isn't going to end our imperialism abroad or socioeconomic inequality at home. But there are differences on the margin that I don't think should be discounted—whether it's Trump's disbelief in climate change, escalation of tension with Iran, or his appointment to our federal court system of hundreds of conservative judges.

I think the judiciary is the only part that holds water. Biden isn't going to shit about climate change, and there's every chance he'll be more hawkish than Trump. And let's not forget how he's handled judicial appointments in the past, whether it was going to bat for Clarence Thomas by attacking Anita Hill or publicly urging Obama to nominate centrists.

There's an argument to be made that democrats are more inimical to progress than republicans because they have a stewardship over the left wing and for fifty years they've only used it to cede ground. When it comes to labor politics, they've been downright hostile. It's possible that the democratic party as we know it has to die before anything better can take its place.

Derek wrote:I don't think positive political change occurs if democrats elect people like Obama and Biden. The worst part about Obama is how popular he still is despite accomplishing virtually nothing. Which is the whole point, because the actual purpose of the democratic party is to maintain the machinery of capitalism in as quiet and unobtrusive a way as possible.

There was a hope that Hillary's defeat proved a point about the failures of neoliberalism and the impetus for sweeping ideological reform. That hope was apparently in vain, but who knows? A second Trump term might do it. The prospect of Hillary or Trump got Bernie into the mix, which definitely moved the conversation left of where it was. Meanwhile, I don't believe Biden would accomplish anything worth leaving my house for (climate change requires a response orders of magnitude more massive than anything the dems are capable of mustering), so I don't particularly mind the gamble. I think more than anything people just want the peace of mind that Trump isn't in the White House, and I don't think complacency is what we should be aiming for.

Derek wrote:I think Trump broke people's brains and that it may have had a positive effect on many. You can draw a straight line from 2016 to the ascendancy of people like Bernie and AOC in the public eye.

So say we had this choice: Trump in 2020 and an actual progressive in 2024, or Biden in 2020 and Tom Cotton in 2024. Which do you pick?

To my mind, you don't dodge complacency by sitting out election day but getting up every morning to drive to an office job.

I don't think that's a fair criticism. I'm a guy in his 20s with no family money who has to pay rent. My involvement in shaping the political agenda in this country begins and ends at the voting booth. By design the most I can do is send the smallest of messages with my abstention. When all things are considered, I prefer that message to the one sent by participating.
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Unread postby Derek » 19 September 2020, 02:03

René wrote:I thought Derek raised some good points on this topic in the primary thread

Well that is flattering.

René wrote::cry:

She was such an awesome justice. And person in general. Having a personal trainer and lifting weights at her age :P
At least you know she did her best to stay healthy.

I don't have anything against her, but I can't help but be somewhat pissed she didn't retire eight years ago. Honestly I don't know what makes them think they have the right to stay on the court for an entire century.
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Unread postby René » 19 September 2020, 02:16

Derek wrote:
René wrote::cry:

She was such an awesome justice. And person in general. Having a personal trainer and lifting weights at her age :P
At least you know she did her best to stay healthy.

I don't have anything against her, but I can't help but be somewhat pissed she didn't retire eight years ago. Honestly I don't know what makes them think they have the right to stay on the court for an entire century.

Of course that's totally valid. And I expect when Brenden hears the news after he wakes up, he'll be more angry than sad.

Although, if she'd retired 8 years ago... you know Mr Turtlehead would just have blocked Obama's nomination for her replacement.
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Unread postby Derek » 19 September 2020, 02:26

If she had retired eight years ago and McConnell blocked her replacement for four, I think even the democrats would have broken procedure and sat one anyway.
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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 19 September 2020, 04:14

Derek wrote:Welp, she's dead. Feels a lot more pointless now.

I hope Trump picks Tim Allen or Ted Nugent.
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