2020 Presidential Election | General

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If the election were held today and you could vote in it, who would you vote for?

Donald Trump (Republican)
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7%
Joe Biden (Democratic)
10
67%
Jo Jorgensen (Libertarian)
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7%
Howie Hawkins (Green)
0
No votes
Brock Pierce (independent)
0
No votes
Kanye West (Birthday Party)
1
7%
other (e.g., write-in)
2
13%
 
Total votes : 15

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Brenden » 5 October 2020, 00:17

So…

Trump has been given an experimental antibody cocktail, an antiviral, and now dexamethasone, a powerful immune system suppressant which is contraindicated for mild cases (it increases mortality if given too soon or to mild cases).

I've read that the studies into dexamethasone treatment for COVID-19 indicate, presuming his doctors have made the right call and only given it to him at the opportune stage of the illness, he is now at a ¼ to ⅕ chance of dying in the next 4 weeks.

But we're in uncharted territory medically as maybe a handful of people, if that, have been given these three drugs at the same time.

Donald Trump is now the Guinea-Pig-in-Chief.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Jzone » 5 October 2020, 02:02

Donald Trump is now the Guinea-Pig-in-Chief.
Fixed that for you, Brenden.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Jzone » 5 October 2020, 02:11

Derek wrote:So why not just say nothing? Why go out of your way to diminish your own rhetoric, placate the worst people in your base, and humiliate yourself by wishing well for a man who would never wish well for you? Do libs really think republicans are going to see Obama's tweets and be like "Gosh, we were wrong about him"?

I would love it if Obama were to publicly tell the world what he thinks of Trump. I don't know why he thinks he is not in a position to do so. I was referring more to Biden and other politicians running for office. Expressing a level of decorum won't placate the worst people in their base, but may sway some of the best in Trump's.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby PopTart » 5 October 2020, 05:37

Derek wrote:
PopTart wrote:Perhaps it's about demonstrating the compassion and dignity, that Trumps detractors often believe they possess, where Trump does not.

You and Jzone have already said that the best justification for this is optics. You don't think they're more likely to (correctly) identify the whole thing as disingenuous and supercilious? Why wouldn't they if it's true? The only ones eating this slop are the libs.
I'm not saying, that the optics isn't the prime factor in why some people change their tune and that such is both disingenuous and undermining of their message.

If someone really hates Trump, then they should keep their mouth shut, but to publicly glory in his misfortune? To open express such hatefulness and spite? Well, maybe America's detractors are correct and you get the president you deserve, because it seems the American people on both sides of the political divide, are equally guilty of the same despicable lack of respect for human life and dignity, if it doesn't belong to the right kind of people. In this, Trump is the perfect representation of your nation, no? Once again, the problems in America, aren't Trump, but he IS a byproduct of those problems, but it's certainly easier to hate the orange man on the TV, than take a look on the mirror.

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PopTart wrote:Perhaps it highlights that, when all is said and done, despite the fact that bad people make bad choices, doesn't mean that good people should do the same.

Pretend for the sake of argument that what people say about this has an effect on the outcome. If you believe that Trump is a monstrous psychopathic narcissist who is ruining the country and whose failed leadership has resulted in the deaths of thousands... how is it a "bad choice" to prefer his death?
Then sure thing, say nothing at all. That Americans have so lost faith in your corrupt and stagnant political system, that the only realistic alternative to trusting that system, is to wish for a person to die, rather than actually doing something about it... Where are the wide-spread protests against Trumps administration. BLM have been out there, protesting demanding change, hell, the anarchists of Antifa have been protesting. But what about all those people who have issues with Trump and the corrupt political system that gave rise to him? Oh, thats right, those people are sat at home, bubbling over with impotent rage, imbittered and hoping that an act of divine providence my do something about Trump, God forbid they have to. Hoping that the broken political system they hate, will somehow launch a geriatric old senile into office to dislodge a tyrant in the making. So they can go back to normal and stop having to worry about that mirror.

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PopTart wrote:The world could do with more dignity, respect and politeness, even if it is a thinly veiled facade. That facade might just inspire some genuine compassion and thats worth plenty in my estimation, while bashing on a broken man and gloating over his misfortune, no matter how well deserved it might be, probably says alot about those doing the gloating.

"Broken man"? He's literally the most powerful person in the world, who has spent the last few months planning how to undermine the democratic process so he can remain in power.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. All this shows that people don't actually believe the things they say about him. They don't hate him or fear him, they just don't like how obnoxious he is. Meanwhile we're told over and over that we have to suck it up and support Biden. Why? Obviously democrats don't actually care, as if their choice of Biden didn't prove that already. They only thing they care about is getting back to "normal", the thing MLK described as the "negative peace which is the absence of tension". It is incredibly demoralizing.
Yes, I know, this is likely to be an opiniom that won't win me any friends (more likely lose me some given the temperament and attitudes here) but Trump is a man to be pitied, even as you might fight and oppose him. He may be rich, he may he powerful, but he is a broken man, who never really existed in the same world the rest of us have. He is a byproduct of all those things about American society, that YOU and others like you, complain about, in a sense he is a victim. That doesn't excuse him from the wrongs he has done, that doesn't absolve him of responsibility, but surely people can see, how the man never had much of a chance. He may have all those things, America idolises so much, but it hasn't made him a better man. On the contrary, it has made him a narcissistic ego maniac, who takes delight in the suffering of his opponents and regards anyone who doesn't agree with him as little more than animals, perhaps, similar in value, to those lab rats, upon which we test our products.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Derek » 5 October 2020, 06:03

PopTart wrote:Well, maybe America's detractors are correct and you get the president you deserve, because it seems the American people on both sides of the political divide, are equally guilty of the same despicable lack of respect for human life and dignity, if it doesn't belong to the right kind of people.

Fair point. Some people lock children in cages and lie to the public about deadly viruses to protect their image. Some people wish death upon the people who lock children in cages and lie to the public about deadly viruses to protect their image. There's blame on both sides!

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PopTart wrote:Then sure thing, say nothing at all. That Americans have so lost faith in your corrupt and stagnant political system, that the only realistic alternative to trusting that system, is to wish for a person to die, rather than actually doing something about it... Where are the wide-spread protests against Trumps administration. BLM have been out there, protesting demanding change, hell, the anarchists of Antifa have been protesting. But what about all those people who have issues with Trump and the corrupt political system that gave rise to him? Oh, thats right, those people are sat at home, bubbling over with impotent rage, imbittered and hoping that an act of divine providence my do something about Trump, God forbid they have to. Hoping that the broken political system they hate, will somehow launch a geriatric old senile into office to dislodge a tyrant in the making. So they can go back to normal and stop having to worry about that mirror.

I don't understand what you're angling at here. Do you think the BLM and antifa activists aren't for the most part the same ones telling Trump to eat shit and die? Do you think the libs scolding everyone about respectability are the ones marching on the streets? And what makes you think we have to choose between telling Trump to eat shit and protesting against him? Or that one doesn't reinforce the other?

PopTart wrote:Yes, I know, this is likely to be an opiniom that won't win me any friends (more likely lose me some given the temperament and attitudes here) but Trump is a man to be pitied, even as you might fight and oppose him. He may be rich, he may he powerful, but he is a broken man, who never really existed in the same world the rest of us have. He is a byproduct of all those things about American society, that YOU and others like you, complain about, in a sense he is a victim. That doesn't excuse him from the wrongs he has done, that doesn't absolve him of responsibility, but surely people can see, how the man never had much of a chance. He may have all those things, America idolises so much, but it hasn't made him a better man. On the contrary, it has made him a narcissistic ego maniac, who takes delight in the suffering of his opponents and regards anyone who doesn't agree with him as little more than animals, perhaps, similar in value, to those lab rats, upon which we test our products.

How is any of that not a reason to wish for his speedy demise?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 5 October 2020, 13:33

Derek wrote:
PopTart wrote:Well, maybe America's detractors are correct and you get the president you deserve, because it seems the American people on both sides of the political divide, are equally guilty of the same despicable lack of respect for human life and dignity, if it doesn't belong to the right kind of people.

Fair point. Some people lock children in cages and lie to the public about deadly viruses to protect their image. Some people wish death upon the people who lock children in cages and lie to the public about deadly viruses to protect their image. There's blame on both sides!

That’s a weird example to use when mocking the idea of blame on both sides. I mean, I agree that the right is infinitely more deranged and immoral, but weren’t these facilities built under Obama? I don’t recall you ever wishing for Obama’s death. Was it that he simply wasn’t obnoxious?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby PopTart » 5 October 2020, 15:34

Derek, if I have to explain, how wishing people dead, no matter how abhorrent they may be, makes you, an unpleasant person, then honestly, I think the benefits of doing so, have long sailed.

Just as I would have thought, that you would be aware, that promoting a political establishment, that was both comfortable and felt right and proper, to rejoice, or more worryingly yet, endorse and encourage the death, of any individual, is so very far, from a good thing, no matter how it impacts ones message... I mean, seriously? You understand where that leads right?

I could go on, but honestly, I very much doubt you would even grasp what I'm (perhaps poorly) trying to say.

I'm saddened Derek, I thought you were a better person than that.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Derek » 5 October 2020, 18:33

PopTart wrote:Derek, if I have to explain, how wishing people dead, no matter how abhorrent they may be, makes you, an unpleasant person, then honestly, I think the benefits of doing so, have long sailed.

On the contrary, it wasn't that long ago that I thought exactly as you do. I remember very well what it felt like to interpret all questions of morality as matters of taste, or that virtue was the same as pleasantness. I want to say it felt... pillowy.

PopTart wrote:I mean, seriously? You understand where that leads right?

Nowhere? I'd certainly be willing to make the case that some people throughout history have deserved to be assassinated, but that's not what's happening here. I wish Donald Trump was dead, not that someone would kill him. That has no implication for anything.

PopTart wrote:I'm saddened Derek, I thought you were a better person than that.

You argue like my mom trying to guilt me into coming to a family dinner.

poolerboy0077 wrote:That’s a weird example to use when mocking the idea of blame on both sides. I mean, I agree that the right is infinitely more deranged and immoral, but weren’t these facilities built under Obama? I don’t recall you ever wishing for Obama’s death. Was it that he simply wasn’t obnoxious?

The "sides" in this case aren't Trump vs not Trump, it's the things Trump does as president vs wishing he was dead so he couldn't do those things. Obama isn't a danger to anyone anymore. I wouldn't shed a tear if he died, but to his credit he's not a serial rapist.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 6 October 2020, 06:48

I mean, nothing you’ve said here should be particularly controversial. “Wishing” doesn’t will things into existence, so by all means wish away more than a mere illness on a dangerous ogre. I was only pointing out that your example is applicable to the other guy. But I guess you never publicly wished him death because that was when you were still a moral relativist moderate cuck.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Derek » 6 October 2020, 13:34

I suppose I've staked out the somewhat controversial opinion that dems shouldn't engage in sympathetic handwringing because it undermines their rhetoric, makes them look like pansies, and encourages that very worst of liberal impulses, "taking the high road".
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 6 October 2020, 14:55

Undermines them in whose eyes? Other dems? Republicans on the fence? Who even are the people who make up the polling fluctuations?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Derek » 6 October 2020, 15:09

I don't know who makes up polling fluctuations, but you don't need to be a swing voter to think that democrats are a bunch of hysterical hypocrites.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Brenden » 7 October 2020, 17:12

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Magic J » 7 October 2020, 19:06



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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 11 October 2020, 19:05

Derek wrote:I don't know who makes up polling fluctuations, but you don't need to be a swing voter to think that democrats are a bunch of hysterical hypocrites.

I just realized I missed a perfect opportunity to shitpost “so much for the tolerant left!”
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Derek » 11 October 2020, 19:55

You've shitposted that plenty enough times already.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Severelius » 11 October 2020, 20:00

I don't know whether it's a statement on how batshit this whole election is, or how batshit 538's metrics are in how they work stuff out but the fact that this is listed as an option at all is all kinds of hilarious.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 11 October 2020, 23:45

Derek wrote:You've shitposted that plenty enough times already.

Yes but this time it fits perfectly.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 13 October 2020, 03:36




Damn. That is a great ad. :lol:
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Derek » 13 October 2020, 04:20

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