2020 Presidential Election | General

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If the election were held today and you could vote in it, who would you vote for?

Poll ended at 3 November 2020, 10:58

Donald Trump (Republican)
1
5%
Joe Biden (Democratic)
15
68%
Jo Jorgensen (Libertarian)
1
5%
Howie Hawkins (Green)
2
9%
Brock Pierce (independent)
0
No votes
Kanye West (Birthday Party)
1
5%
other (e.g., write-in)
2
9%
 
Total votes : 22

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Derek » 8 November 2020, 20:42

Scrolling through the feeds of conservatives who are in full-on denial was something I needed. A real pick-me-up. They also make some good points about how dumb the Russia shit was.
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Unread postby Severelius » 8 November 2020, 20:47

I always found it too frustrating to doomscroll hysterically pro-Trump conservatives social media output because it was just too annoying that they were the ones currently getting their way.

But now that Trump has lost suddenly all the gnashing of teeth and crying of conspiracy is just delightfully amusing to look at. They keep bringing up Gore v Bush in Florida, or saying that until the recounts are done nothing is decided yet, and it's just beautiful in how utterly outside of reality it is.
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Unread postby Derek » 8 November 2020, 20:49

Right?? I'm reading Ben Garrison's tweets right now. Each one is *chef's kiss*
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Unread postby Severelius » 8 November 2020, 20:51

Seeing the right turn on Fox News as apparently now being part of the fake news liberal media conspiracy against Trump is kind of fucking beautiful to watch.

It's like if you saw the two worst people you knew just absolutely beating the shit out of each other in a Wetherspoon's car park.
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Unread postby Derek » 8 November 2020, 20:55

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I love him so much
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Unread postby Derek » 8 November 2020, 21:00

Love Hunter in this one

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Unread postby Severelius » 8 November 2020, 21:02

The Twitter feeds of Eric and Trump Jr at this point are just like diving into the fucking hellmouth of conspiracy nonsense. That lot have come completely unglued and it's not like they were all that glued to begin with.
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Unread postby Severelius » 8 November 2020, 21:06

The Trump campaign set up a 'voter fraud hotline' for people to report evidence of voter fraud and predictably it's just getting absolutely gangbanged with prank calls laughing at them.
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Unread postby Derek » 8 November 2020, 21:07

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Unread postby Severelius » 8 November 2020, 21:09

I'm sure they could get Sean Hannity too.
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Unread postby Derek » 8 November 2020, 21:12

Can you imagine Don Jr. running a media empire? If that happens, I forgive Trump for everything. It was all worth it.
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Unread postby Severelius » 8 November 2020, 21:13

Knowing the Trump family record in business I give it a year before it folds due to mismanagement and bankruptcy.
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Unread postby Severelius » 8 November 2020, 21:27

These people are clowns.
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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 9 November 2020, 02:29

Megyn Kelly is absolutely furious on twitter. Here are just some of her recent tweets:

Megyn Kelly wrote:
Jon Favreau wrote: You are truly pathetic

You have zero understanding of the mood of 70 million Americans who have been unfairly attacked relentlessly for the past four years as awful ppl just for supporting their president.


Megyn Kelly wrote:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote:Is anyone archiving these Trump sycophants for when they try to downplay or deny their complicity in the future? I foresee decent probability of many deleted Tweets, writings, photos in the future

Biden calls for “unity” and “healing” - perhaps he should take it up first with the loudest voices of his own party?


Megyn Kelly wrote:
Ian Bremmer wrote:Maybe a good time for everyone with influence to try leading by example.

That means responsibility for what we each write. Respectfully, @megynkelly, you can do better.

Ian, you’re out of touch if you think 70m Americans who have been unfairly demonized as the worst of humanity for 4yrs are now going to hug those who’ve viciously attacked them (& are now making lists of their names). I’m talking reality, which is my job, not pie-in-the-sky stuff


Megyn Kelly wrote:
Larry Elder wrote:After 4 yrs of attacking Trump as "illegitimate," fascist," "Nazi," "tyrant," "dictator," "racist," "antisemitic," "Russian stooge," "traitor," "grifter," "xenophobe," "sexist," "homophobe," "ignorant," "fat" and "lazy," dems/media say, "Let's come together."

#ChutzpahOnSteroids

Not just him. Anyone who supported him.


Megyn Kelly wrote:
rolandsmartin wrote:I don't hate, Megyn. I just think she has major blind spots to the reality of white fear that we see in this country today. We saw the same after the Civil War, during Reconstruction, Ida B. Wells wrote about it with lynchings; after the Civil Rights Movement; and with busing.

See? If you are a voter ticked off about being called a racist, xenophobic, sexist bigot for the past four years it is your “white fear” similar to after the Civil War. Good grief.


Megyn Kelly wrote:
Martina Navratilova wrote:trump is a racist and a misogynist. Surely that is enough- pointing out facts are not demonization….

Martina, the vitriol went well beyond Trump-some 70m ppl have been called vile, bigots, racists & xenophobes & are now being threatened w/being put on target “lists” as punishment for supporting him. They’ve been demonized by the very ppl now sanctimoniously demanding “civility.”


Megyn Kelly wrote:
Matt Wilstein wrote: Remember when we all rallied around @megynkelly because Trump said she had “blood coming out of her wherever”?

This is where she is today... https://twitter.com/megynkelly/status/1 ... 4269838337

I never needed your rallying. This isn’t about me. Tho I do know how you on the far Left (of whom rational liberals are embarrassed) love a person to play the victim.


Certainly ironic coming from the “personal responsibility” and “facts don’t care about your feelings” crowd.
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Unread postby Derek » 9 November 2020, 02:35

Keyword: your feelings.

Megyn Kelly wrote:
Jon Favreau wrote: You are truly pathetic

You have zero understanding of the mood of 70 million Americans who have been unfairly attacked relentlessly for the past four years as awful ppl just for supporting their president.

Oh, this is good. Just a ray of sunshine shot directly into my heart. I just wish this was as bad for them as they think it is.
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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 9 November 2020, 02:40

Suddenly being a “straight shooter” and “telling it like it is” (i.e., that they’re xenophobic, racists, deplorables, etc.) is suddenly not cool when they’re on the receiving end. Aren’t they in the morality business (supposedly)? Aren’t they the party of “values” and “God” and tell you how to live (all while waving snake flags with slogans like “don’t tread on me”)? I guess moral argument is illegitimate when you’re in the crosshairs.
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Unread postby Derek » 9 November 2020, 02:58

For most people, being called a bigot is a worse crime than being one.

That said, Matt Yglesias tweeted maybe the first thing I've ever agreed with. He said "At a certain point one would think we have to admit that there is simply a large swathe of the population, including a substantial fraction of non-white people, who do not buy into progressive intellectuals’ conception of what racism is."

There's this pervasive attitude that we just have to wait until America becomes brown enough that we can finally have progressive politics. I hope Trump's performance with Latinos makes a point about how bad a strategy that is. There are ways of advocating for justice - racial, economic, and otherwise - that don't become wedge issues in a bullshit culture war.
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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 9 November 2020, 05:43

How do you understand Krugman’s observation about the discrepancies in this election?

Here’s the tweet chain I’m referring to: https://mobile.twitter.com/paulkrugman/ ... 5458726914
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Unread postby Derek » 9 November 2020, 06:37

Easy. Democrats ran on a single issue: getting rid of Trump. They succeeded. In doing so, they failed to make a single positive case for the party itself. Hell, they collaborated with "moderate" Republicans to do it.

AOC had an interview with the New York Times recently (which I encourage you all to read). In it, she pointed out that every swing-seat candidate who ran on M4A won their election. There is a recipe for success here that Democrats are hell-bent on not noticing.

I'm also going to go out on a limb here. Most people who support Donald Trump are not racists. At least, they don't consciously perceive themselves as racists, and absent the impulse to apply a structuralist critique to their own worldviews, they don't have a reason to. Matty was right about that. This messaging that the Dems have leaned into - there's only one way to vote that doesn't make you a bigot - does not work. Even with a significant portion of black people, it does not work. It doesn't work because your opponents don't believe you, and because the more savvy among your own supporters will have noted that you weren't going to do anything about it anyway.

We're stuck in this alignment where a vote on the national level is not an opportunity to support your vision of material politics, but a signal of your allegiance to one side of a culture war which has flattened everything into one plane. That's how you get a voter in Florida who hates Biden's guts but thinks a $15 minimum wage is a good idea. It's how you get a voter in California who believes Trump was weeks away from instating fascism but couldn't give a fuck if Uber started using indentured labor. It's how you get me, who pays close attention to the process yet vows not to participate in it.
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