2020 Presidential Election | General

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If the election were held today and you could vote in it, who would you vote for?

Poll ended at 3 November 2020, 10:58

Donald Trump (Republican)
1
5%
Joe Biden (Democratic)
15
68%
Jo Jorgensen (Libertarian)
1
5%
Howie Hawkins (Green)
2
9%
Brock Pierce (independent)
0
No votes
Kanye West (Birthday Party)
1
5%
other (e.g., write-in)
2
9%
 
Total votes : 22

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby John27 » 15 November 2020, 01:15

You're right--it would be four presidents. It would be 3 inaugurations.
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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 16 November 2020, 04:23

Look. If Trump doesn’t resign we’ll just have to have two presidents. It’ll be like The Great Schism of the 1300s when we had two popes — well, actually three. If the Catholic Church survived it I don’t see why our country can’t.
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Unread postby Derek » 16 November 2020, 18:43

poolerboy0077 wrote:Look. If Trump doesn’t resign we’ll just have to have two presidents. It’ll be like The Great Schism of the 1300s when we had two popes — well, actually three. If the Catholic Church survived it I don’t see why our country can’t.

In this metaphor Trump is the French Pope because he's rude and loud and he smells bad.
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Unread postby John27 » 16 November 2020, 22:52

Instead of two presidents, maybe we should rethink the presidency. The presidency integrates symbolic/ceremonial head of state, plus executive. Why not split the roles into two offices? That way, we can happily vote for the symbolic president based on whim, who has charisma, etc with no consequences, past international embarrassment. Meanwhile, the actual executive position could be filled by someone competent to do the job.

If Trump was our first ceremonial president, we'd hear the loud screams of so many Democrats, which would be entertaining. And enlightening: a piece of proof showing that for a lot of Democrats, his demeanor actually possibly matters more to them than what he did on substantive issues.
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Unread postby Jzone » 17 November 2020, 08:47

John27 wrote:If Trump was our first ceremonial president, we'd hear the loud screams of so many Democrats, which would be entertaining. And enlightening: a piece of proof showing that for a lot of Democrats, his demeanor actually possibly matters more to them than what he did on substantive issues.

What Trump did on substantive issues has been even worse than his demeanor — and that's saying something.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Severelius » 17 November 2020, 13:13

Honestly America should just adopt the Parliamentary model. Like the party members vote on who to make the leader of the party and whichever party gets a majority in the House of Representatives, the leader of that party becomes President.

Having the Presidency as a totally separate thing both increases gridlock given America's dumb habit of instinctively voting for the opposition party in every fucking mid-term election, and having it as a separate thing that any idiot can just run for increases the chances of some absolute fucking psychopath hijacking a party from the top down.

Plus then the US Presidential election wouldn't be a ludicrous overblown circus that lasts basically from the exact moment the previous one ends.

And yes I'm aware the Parliamentary system is not a fool-proof way to stop idiots or incompetents getting into positions of leadership, given we over here in the UK are currently governed by Boris fucking Johnson and the Labour party ended up with Corbyn for years just because a bunch of people joined specifically just to make him leader.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 17 November 2020, 15:04

Derek wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:Look. If Trump doesn’t resign we’ll just have to have two presidents. It’ll be like The Great Schism of the 1300s when we had two popes — well, actually three. If the Catholic Church survived it I don’t see why our country can’t.

In this metaphor Trump is the French Pope because he's rude and loud and he smells bad.

And tacky.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Derek » 20 November 2020, 00:49

I wonder what things will be like for Trumpers once everything settles down. My mom has vowed to quit twitter and stop paying attention to politics altogether. That's sort of a best-case scenario, but I'm not sure how representative she is. Maybe Trump is just a once-in-a-lifetime figure who had the unique power to stir up all this latent rot inside people. Like, my mom didn't even care about politics before him, and without the constant reinforcement of the culture war he incited (or at least escalated), she may go back to being normal.

My official prediction is that Trump will remain a prominent figure in the politics-adjacent media space that was originally carved out by, like, Evangelicals. He will command a dedicated and reasonably large faction of wretched assholes, and will generally continue to be a poisonous influence on politics and culture. But most of his followers will probably get bored once he can no longer dictate worldwide headlines on a daily basis. Where does that energy go? Either QAnon or nowhere, I think. We have a few Q people in Congress now, so that will be interesting to watch.
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Unread postby Jzone » 20 November 2020, 00:54

Derek wrote:My mom has vowed to quit twitter and stop paying attention to politics altogether.

If your mom quits twitter can you convince her to sign up here? I think she could make a contribution to the forum.
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Unread postby Derek » 20 November 2020, 00:58

I've literally had nightmares about that.
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Unread postby Brenden » 20 November 2020, 04:12

My mom now really wants to move to Scotland, because Trump lost and Arizona turned blue.

It’s hilarious because Scotland is far to the left of Biden in general. They wouldn’t be allowed to have their handguns or their tasers.
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Unread postby Derek » 20 November 2020, 04:31

Arizona was barely blue. It took that deranged sheriff and John McCain finally getting his sendoff to hell. Watch it go for Marjorie Taylor Green by 20 points in 2024.

You know, maybe your mom only wants to move to Scotland to be closer to you. Maybe it's touching instead of baffling.
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Unread postby René » 20 November 2020, 05:38

Derek wrote:You know, maybe your mom only wants to move to Scotland to be closer to you. Maybe it's touching instead of baffling.

The crazy thing is... many of her explicitly stated reasons are things like the universal healthcare and the pandemic income support... the fact that our government takes better care of people. Lots of socialist stuff. It's like there's this disconnect in her brain where she doesn't realise she votes for politicians in the US who do everything they can to make it the exact opposite of what she likes about what she hears about Scotland. :runaway:
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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 20 November 2020, 05:51

Derek wrote:I've literally had nightmares about that.

Imagine all the embarrassing stories we could get from her about you!

I wonder what post(s) you’d be embarrassed about her reading.

René wrote:
Derek wrote:You know, maybe your mom only wants to move to Scotland to be closer to you. Maybe it's touching instead of baffling.

The crazy thing is... many of her explicitly stated reasons are things like the universal healthcare and the pandemic income support... the fact that our government takes better care of people. Lots of socialist stuff. It's like there's this disconnect in her brain where she doesn't realise she votes for politicians in the US who do everything they can to make it the exact opposite of what she likes about what she hears about Scotland. :runaway:

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Unread postby René » 20 November 2020, 05:58

poolerboy0077 wrote:
René wrote:
Derek wrote:You know, maybe your mom only wants to move to Scotland to be closer to you. Maybe it's touching instead of baffling.

The crazy thing is... many of her explicitly stated reasons are things like the universal healthcare and the pandemic income support... the fact that our government takes better care of people. Lots of socialist stuff. It's like there's this disconnect in her brain where she doesn't realise she votes for politicians in the US who do everything they can to make it the exact opposite of what she likes about what she hears about Scotland. :runaway:

What’s her opinion on darkies?

I'm not exactly sure, but I imagine she likes "the good ones" but thinks most of them are bad and treats them with suspicion. :P Brenden?
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Unread postby Derek » 20 November 2020, 06:21

Have they visited you in Scotland?
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Unread postby René » 20 November 2020, 06:54

Derek wrote:Have they visited you in Scotland?

No, mainly because they can't get the time off work... which is one of their problems with the US. In the UK you get 5.6 weeks of guaranteed fully paid time off no matter what job you do; you're encouraged to take a vacation every now and then, which makes sense since it actually improves productivity.

They also live in the middle of nowhere (having failed to find work in less remote locations) so it would be a very long and expensive journey (which we only managed to realistically make the other way by travelling from our boyfriend's place near D.C. rather than from Scotland directly, which is why we hadn't seen them in 7.5 years).
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby John27 » 20 November 2020, 08:11

poolerboy0077 wrote:
Derek wrote:I've literally had nightmares about that.

Imagine all the embarrassing stories we could get from her about you!


And think of alll the cute but embarrassing Baby Derek photos that could be posted!
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Unread postby John27 » 20 November 2020, 08:30

Derek wrote:Arizona was barely blue. It took that deranged sheriff and John McCain finally getting his sendoff to hell. Watch it go for Marjorie Taylor Green by 20 points in 2024.


I've heard commentary about AZ that points to various factors that made it anti-Trump enough to go blue. Retiree concerns about COVID-19.

But I've also heard that if the nominee had been Sanders, it would most likely have stayed red. On the other hand, Sanders is argued to have won other states.

It will be interesting to see what happens in 2024... I don't know the state that well, but I could imagine the same scenario possibly playing out: Republican Lite Democrat winning, Sanders-like losing. Although I'm sure we can safely assume that the Democratic Party will do everything possible to make sure that a right wing Democrat wins the nomination--and if the rightward trend continues, as it has over the last few elections--they'll probably find someone who makes the current president elect look like a far left progressive.
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Unread postby John27 » 20 November 2020, 08:41

René wrote:
Derek wrote:Have they visited you in Scotland?

No, mainly because they can't get the time off work... which is one of their problems with the US.


It's not a problem! It's a feature! Don't you know the only value normal people have in the US is to keep the wheels of the economy turning: by working all the time, and by being heavy consumers, complete with massive credit card debt? This is necessary for the good of those who actually do matter: the billionaires and corporations!
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