2020 Presidential Election | General

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If the election were held today and you could vote in it, who would you vote for?

Poll ended at 3 November 2020, 10:58

Donald Trump (Republican)
1
5%
Joe Biden (Democratic)
15
68%
Jo Jorgensen (Libertarian)
1
5%
Howie Hawkins (Green)
2
9%
Brock Pierce (independent)
0
No votes
Kanye West (Birthday Party)
1
5%
other (e.g., write-in)
2
9%
 
Total votes : 22

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Severelius » 22 November 2020, 22:24

Marmaduke wrote:I genuinely don’t recall who I voted for last time round. I wanna say maybe Lib Dem? I wouldn’t have voted for Labour whilst Jeremy was at the helm, and the general incompetence of the Conservatives has alienated me. But I wouldn’t have voted for an independent, so I suppose it must’ve been Lib Dem.

Green Party?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Marmaduke » 22 November 2020, 22:29

Severelius wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:I genuinely don’t recall who I voted for last time round. I wanna say maybe Lib Dem? I wouldn’t have voted for Labour whilst Jeremy was at the helm, and the general incompetence of the Conservatives has alienated me. But I wouldn’t have voted for an independent, so I suppose it must’ve been Lib Dem.

Green Party?

Nah, I feel like whilst I agree with a lot of their points, they don’t really have enough of a manifesto outside of being green. I’d have gone Lib Dem over them, surely?

This is obviously the place where you dig up the post where I said I voted Green, and if I did then fair enough, but I don’t think I would have. Today me wouldn’t, and I don’t feel like he’s a terribly different person to then me.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Severelius » 22 November 2020, 22:31

Marmaduke wrote:
Severelius wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:I genuinely don’t recall who I voted for last time round. I wanna say maybe Lib Dem? I wouldn’t have voted for Labour whilst Jeremy was at the helm, and the general incompetence of the Conservatives has alienated me. But I wouldn’t have voted for an independent, so I suppose it must’ve been Lib Dem.

Green Party?

Nah, I feel like whilst I agree with a lot of their points, they don’t really have enough of a manifesto outside of being green. I’d have gone Lib Dem over them, surely?

This is obviously the place where you dig up the post where I said I voted Green, and if I did then fair enough, but I don’t think I would have. Today me wouldn’t, and I don’t feel like he’s a terribly different person to then me.

I don't have the effort required to find such a post, I was just offering the possibility since you seemed unsure.

I'm just not used to hearing any other human being I know admit to ever having voted Lib Dem. Figured it must have been a lapse in memory. :P
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby PopTart » 22 November 2020, 22:37

Sorry, double post. I couldn't deal with adding in quote trees via post edit, on my phone :blargh:
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PopTart wrote:I voted for the Tories in the last election. I would expand on the many, many, many reasons why, but there is no audience here that would care to listen, or atleast that wouldn't pass judgement and so I stay silent.

*waves*

I'd care to listen. You'd get no judgement from me. I might or might not express my opinion on your views, but they're not going to change my favourable opinion of you as a person. :)


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René wrote:
PopTart wrote:I voted for the Tories in the last election. I would expand on the many, many, many reasons why, but there is no audience here that would care to listen, or atleast that wouldn't pass judgement and so I stay silent.

*waves*

I'd care to listen. You'd get no judgement from me. I might or might not express my opinion on your views, but they're not going to change my favourable opinion of you as a person. :)

Despite my own personal opinions regarding the Conservative Party, I would also be interested in hearing this. I mean I vote Lib Dem way more often than not so according to apparently 95% of social media I'm basically a Tory by default anyway. :shrug:


Thank you both for the reassurance and interest. I have been meaning to post something since awhile back, but truth be told, I've been diving into alot of complex, UK centric political stuff lately and it's difficult to seperate out all of the extremism and flat out propaganda, I find things to agree with on both sides of the political spectrum, in part if not in whole, but it can be incredibly hard to find non judgemental, moderate people to talk to about some things, which ever side of the fence one sits on. I've learned to try and come to conclusions on my own.

If I can muster the energy, I'll see if I can get such a discussion started. It won't be concise I can assure you of that so someone might need to keep me on point. I ramble :shifty:
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby PopTart » 22 November 2020, 22:41

Marmaduke wrote:I genuinely don’t recall who I voted for last time round. I wanna say maybe Lib Dem? I wouldn’t have voted for Labour whilst Jeremy was at the helm, and the general incompetence of the Conservatives has alienated me. But I wouldn’t have voted for an independent, so I suppose it must’ve been Lib Dem.

I used to vote lib dem, but then.. Tim Fallon and Keith Vats. After those two, I just couldn't bring myself to look at the party the same way again.

I couldn't get behind Jo Swinson either.

Nick Clegg got short shrift though.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby René » 22 November 2020, 22:42

Marmaduke wrote:
Severelius wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:I genuinely don’t recall who I voted for last time round. I wanna say maybe Lib Dem? I wouldn’t have voted for Labour whilst Jeremy was at the helm, and the general incompetence of the Conservatives has alienated me. But I wouldn’t have voted for an independent, so I suppose it must’ve been Lib Dem.

Green Party?

Nah, I feel like whilst I agree with a lot of their points, they don’t really have enough of a manifesto outside of being green.

Really? I've always felt there was quite a lot there beyond environmental stuff and it's far from a single-issue party.

Looking at e.g. https://www.greenparty.org.uk/assets/im ... b-v1.3.pdf
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Severelius » 22 November 2020, 22:49

PopTart wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:I genuinely don’t recall who I voted for last time round. I wanna say maybe Lib Dem? I wouldn’t have voted for Labour whilst Jeremy was at the helm, and the general incompetence of the Conservatives has alienated me. But I wouldn’t have voted for an independent, so I suppose it must’ve been Lib Dem.

I used to vote lib dem, but then.. Tim Fallon and Keith Vats. After those two, I just couldn't bring myself to look at the party the same way again.

I couldn't get behind Jo Swinson either.

Nick Clegg got short shrift though.

See I kind of liked Swinson and thought she got a really bullshit amount of criticism from basically everyone for the whole 2019 election.

But yeah they haven't had a leader I was genuinely enthusiastic about since Clegg, but these days saying you like Nick Clegg is basically akin to admitting you like scat porn in terms of how most people will react to you from that point on.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Marmaduke » 22 November 2020, 22:50

René wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:
Severelius wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:I genuinely don’t recall who I voted for last time round. I wanna say maybe Lib Dem? I wouldn’t have voted for Labour whilst Jeremy was at the helm, and the general incompetence of the Conservatives has alienated me. But I wouldn’t have voted for an independent, so I suppose it must’ve been Lib Dem.

Green Party?

Nah, I feel like whilst I agree with a lot of their points, they don’t really have enough of a manifesto outside of being green.

Really? I've always felt there was quite a lot there beyond environmental stuff and it's far from a single-issue party.

Looking at e.g. https://www.greenparty.org.uk/assets/im ... b-v1.3.pdf

The Greens left me someone ill-at-ease with that manifesto on page 5. I know I’m a horrible cynic, and I’m trying to be better, but “changing how we measure progress” reads to me as. “We promise to invent our own metrics, upon which we will make the assertion that we’ve done a good job. Promise. Regardless of how well the job is done.”
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Severelius » 22 November 2020, 22:53

I feel bad that I didn't even read the Green Party manifesto during the 2019 campaign. I even read the Tory one and I still own my copies of the Lib Dem and Labour ones.

In my defence the Greens are pretty much always last in my constituency in general elections so a vote for them would be the definition of throwaway, even in a seat where any vote is a throwaway by default because the Tories are always going to win here.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby PopTart » 22 November 2020, 22:56

Severelius wrote:
PopTart wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:I genuinely don’t recall who I voted for last time round. I wanna say maybe Lib Dem? I wouldn’t have voted for Labour whilst Jeremy was at the helm, and the general incompetence of the Conservatives has alienated me. But I wouldn’t have voted for an independent, so I suppose it must’ve been Lib Dem.

I used to vote lib dem, but then.. Tim Fallon and Keith Vats. After those two, I just couldn't bring myself to look at the party the same way again.

I couldn't get behind Jo Swinson either.

Nick Clegg got short shrift though.

See I kind of liked Swinson and thought she got a really bullshit amount of criticism from basically everyone for the whole 2019 election.

But yeah they haven't had a leader I was genuinely enthusiastic about since Clegg, but these days saying you like Nick Clegg is basically akin to admitting you like scat porn in terms of how most people will react to you from that point on.

The lib dems under clegg had some good ideas, but in coalition with the tories, it just completely undermined their manifesto. People apportioned blame to Clegg. It was Cameron and the Tories that frustrated Lib Dem policies and the lib dems didn't have the numbers to fight it.

One of the reasons I'm not keen on shared government here in the UK. Our political system isn't set up for it, without some major reforms and overhaul. But that's likely a topic all its own.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Severelius » 22 November 2020, 23:04

PopTart wrote:The lib dems under clegg had some good ideas, but in coalition with the tories, it just completely undermined their manifesto. People apportioned blame to Clegg. It was Cameron and the Tories that frustrated Lib Dem policies and the lib dems didn't have the numbers to fight it.

One of the reasons I'm not keen on shared government here in the UK. Our political system isn't set up for it, without some major reforms and overhaul. But that's likely a topic all its own.

One of the things that most drives me insane with anger about UK politics is how disgustingly effective the Tories were during the coalition and the 2015 election in making the entirety of the British news media and the majority of the electorate, even those who hated them, dance to their fucking tune of "everything bad from 2010-2015 is the Lib Dems' fault."

Like Cameron and the Tories got away from it with a fucking majority all of their own while all the negative press for the whole coalition got dumped on Nick Clegg and subsequently inherited by every leader the party has had since, regardless of it's even applicable or not. Like Tim Farron in 2017 got shit from people for the tuition fees increase, even though he'd voted against it. I think that was when I realised that it doesn't matter who the Lib Dems pick as leader, the only thing so many people will ever say no matter what they say and do is "but the coalition though" or call them "Yellow Tories."
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby René » 22 November 2020, 23:07

Marmaduke wrote:
René wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:
Severelius wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:I genuinely don’t recall who I voted for last time round. I wanna say maybe Lib Dem? I wouldn’t have voted for Labour whilst Jeremy was at the helm, and the general incompetence of the Conservatives has alienated me. But I wouldn’t have voted for an independent, so I suppose it must’ve been Lib Dem.

Green Party?

Nah, I feel like whilst I agree with a lot of their points, they don’t really have enough of a manifesto outside of being green.

Really? I've always felt there was quite a lot there beyond environmental stuff and it's far from a single-issue party.

Looking at e.g. https://www.greenparty.org.uk/assets/im ... b-v1.3.pdf

The Greens left me someone ill-at-ease with that manifesto on page 5. I know I’m a horrible cynic, and I’m trying to be better, but “changing how we measure progress” reads to me as. “We promise to invent our own metrics, upon which we will make the assertion that we’ve done a good job. Promise. Regardless of how well the job is done.”

The section under that caption reads to me as something that is sorely needed.

GPEW wrote:Changing how we measure progress:
Measuring whether an economy is growing isn’t the same as measuring whether it’s healthy. Using GDP (gross domestic product) as the main indicator of success doesn’t leave space to consider people’s wellbeing, the state of our natural resources or whether economic prosperity is being shared equally. We will develop alternatives to GDP that takes capital and environmental depreciation into account as well. This will allow us to build an economy that protects the environment rather than consumes it, and one which values social progress and wellbeing.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Magic J » 24 November 2020, 20:48

Severelius wrote:See I kind of liked Swinson and thought she got a really bullshit amount of criticism from basically everyone for the whole 2019 election.

The only things I really remember thinking about Swinson was around her policy of revoking Article 50. I think I might have gone on a bit of a rant, but tempers have settled somewhat. Thought it was a horrendous line for the party to take. Fair enough on sticking to your guns in the least ambiguous way possible, props for that, but read the room. It played into the "technocratic liberal elites will steal Brexit" line perfectly. And I'll be up front and admit I think Brexit's a very bad idea indeed (could you tell? :P). She should have campaigned on the "People's Vote" line instead, imo.

Fucking hell, this has become an annex of the UK politics thread. Perhaps a transplant?

Anway, what's up in the US of A? Any intel on Biden's new appointments?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Derek » 24 November 2020, 21:05

Magic J wrote:Anway, what's up in the US of A? Any intel on Biden's new appointments?

Rahm Emanuel's getting in there.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 24 November 2020, 21:15

After he finally steps down (or gets forcibly removed) from office, Trump should write a memoir titled “Tweet, Pray, Cuck” with him on the cover cross-legged and his hands together as though praying but he’s holding a bible. The backside of the book has the Garden of Gethsemane with Hitlery as the devil trying to tempt (cuck) Trump into sin (hating America). Behind her, a pizza joint called Benghazi Pizza Co.

The story would show how Trump is dissatisfied with his rich life and needs something more. The Tweet part would take place in Washington doing nothing but shitposting while taking a dump, the Pray part would take place in Israel, and the Cuck part would take place in Russia. Someone help me write this to publish it on Lulu and we’ll split the earnings.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Derek » 24 November 2020, 21:23

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Their spin on this woman getting fired for starting a weird feud with the Georgia GOP is that she needs to concentrate on prosecuting Biden for election fraud in a military tribunal.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Brenden » 24 November 2020, 21:35

Derek wrote:
Magic J wrote:Anway, what's up in the US of A? Any intel on Biden's new appointments?

Rahm Emanuel's getting in there.

Pocahontas isn't.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Derek » 25 November 2020, 00:21

Hope she's proud of herself. What a fucking disgrace she turned out to be.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 25 November 2020, 04:23

Derek wrote:Hope she's proud of herself. What a fucking disgrace she turned out to be.

Plot twist: She joins the GOP and runs as a Republican in 2024!
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

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