2020 Presidential Election | General

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If the election were held today and you could vote in it, who would you vote for?

Poll ended at 3 November 2020, 10:58

Donald Trump (Republican)
1
5%
Joe Biden (Democratic)
15
68%
Jo Jorgensen (Libertarian)
1
5%
Howie Hawkins (Green)
2
9%
Brock Pierce (independent)
0
No votes
Kanye West (Birthday Party)
1
5%
other (e.g., write-in)
2
9%
 
Total votes : 22

Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 23 January 2021, 21:27

Ninfreak14 wrote:I'm seriously still in disbelief that so many people are STILL supporting Trump and Cruz after the past few weeks.

I have a coworker who said, more or less, that although Trump’s personality and temperament are erratic and offensive, he’s a good president because he kept all his promises. lol
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Magic J » 23 January 2021, 23:38

Didn't he use his last day to revoke the ban he'd placed on ex-government employee lobbying? I mean... that seems a bit hyp...

Ah, what's the fucking point...
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Magic J » 24 January 2021, 01:39

Derek wrote:Unironically though. It's best understood as a cult, and cults often appear in times of upheaval. Q exploded since the pandemic hit.

I'm usually pretty reluctant to employ the "cult" label, or any charge of "irrationalism", since it's often used as a tool to disarm and disempower real and substantive criticism. I sure somebody out there has written an interminable thought-piece on how supporters of Bernie Sanders are exhibiting cult-like behaviour. But in the case of QAnon, it seems fairly apt.

"Anti-political" might be another way of looking at it. They reject any form of expertise, perhaps sometimes with good reason though often out of ignorance, and proclaim that you must "do your own research", "think for yourself", "don't believe the lies of the MSM", etc. A greatly suspicious and paranoid form of anti-authoritarianism. At the same time, and so far as I understand, they believe(d) that the US military would soon launch a coup-d'tat, imprisoning politicians and "the elites" to institute... I don't know. Glorious military rule? I believe this was envisaged to be a good thing.

Aside from the zanier elements, I can see why it might have appeal amidst confusing and threatening social change and political struggle. Maybe they just want it all to stop. It will stop if their chosen avatar makes good. Perhaps they don't want to have to think about the difficult facts that there's an inequality problem, there's a racism problem, there's a pollution problem, in the greatest country on earth. How is that possible? Somebody must be lying to us. It's not possible that we, collectively, created these conditions. These cannot be home-grown problems. Some outside, inhuman, Satanic evil must be doing this to us. Shut it down. Then rest easy. The bad guys are gone. All will be well in the Kingdom of God on earth, for ever and ever.

Yeah... culty.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Derek » 24 January 2021, 01:45

On the subject of Qanon and cultism in the age of the internet, I cannot recommend this video enough:

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Magic J » 24 January 2021, 21:04

Derek wrote:On the subject of Qanon and cultism in the age of the internet, I cannot recommend this video enough:

In Search of A Flat Earth

Very good, watched the whole thing. The bit at the end where he talks about their "magical thinking", in which talking about issues is the problem, rather than the issue itself, that's what I was trying to express with the "anti-political" suggestion (though I might be using it in a weird way, I'm not sure).
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 25 January 2021, 00:37

Magic J wrote:Very good, watched the whole thing.

Just finished the whole thing as well. Good watch. I sort of had this view, albeit not as detailed, after watching Johnny Harris’ video on flat earth conspiracy.

On a different note, many more in the GOP are opposing holding an impeachment trial. What do you guys think will occur here and what do you think the consequences will be?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Derek » 25 January 2021, 04:23

I definitely think they should hold a trial. They'll never get the numbers to convict, but they can at least subpoena him this time, can't they? Imagine Trump talking on the Senate floor for eight hours. Although, I'm not sure if they can subpoena a defendant? I don't know how it works.
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Unread postby Ninfreak14 » 25 January 2021, 04:36

My feeling is.... holding a trial and convicting, even if he is a previous president, shows that our justice system will hold those in power accountable. It isn't just that we are vindictive, but that people need to see that at the end of the day, your actions have consequences, regardless of your timing or power.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Derek » 25 January 2021, 05:13

That's the thing, though, is that they almost certainly won't convict, so the precedent they'll be setting is that you can get away with it. And it's true, he's getting away with that and worse. What's the point of pretending otherwise?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby OutsideIn » 25 January 2021, 14:35

It appears that some Republicans are trying to say that they cannot convict Trump now that he is out of office. I would not be surprised if they try to claim that their hands are tied. That way they don’t have to appear like they are condoning what Trump did while at the same time they don’t have to condemn him and anger his base.

I am not even sure how much the Democrats will push for a conviction. A trial is going to delay Biden’s agenda, and the Republicans will no doubt use it as a bargaining ploy.

Politics as usual while the voters gets screwed.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election | General

Unread postby Brenden » 25 January 2021, 14:43

With the inauguration now complete, I think this thread should be put to rest.

Continue discussion of US politics here!
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