2020 US Presidential Election | Primaries | NEW POLL

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Which single (D) candidate would you vote/caucus for if you were voting/caucusing today?

Michael Bennet
0
No votes
Joe Biden
2
11%
Michael Bloomberg
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No votes
Pete Buttigieg
2
11%
Tulsi Gabbard
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No votes
Amy Klobuchar
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No votes
Deval Patrick
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No votes
Bernie Sanders
12
63%
Tom Steyer
0
No votes
Elizabeth Warren
2
11%
Andrew Yang
1
5%
 
Total votes : 19

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Unread postby René » 3 March 2020, 08:15

poolerboy0077 wrote:One of my female coworkers despises home. She thinks we in the US already help people too much. lol

Is home code for something or a typo? :P
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Unread postby John27 » 3 March 2020, 09:49

René wrote:I'm very sad to hear Pete dropped out... Never thought I'd say those words :lol:


Well, I've seen several of his supporters cheerfully chirp: we haven't heard the last of of Buttigieg, and yes! he'll eventually be our very first gay president!!!!!

I'm afraid they are right--we haven't heard the last of him. And I have a sinking feeling he might, indeed, be president one day...

At least we've still got Bloomberg and Königstrasse (my phone dictionary doesn't know the name Klobuchar yet because she's such a nobody) along with Vixen (Biden is another nobody apparently :D) to split the moderate conservative vote.


Conservative vote, indeed. Sad thing is...these people are considered "moderates" by American standards. I even hear people use "progressive" in the same sentence as "Biden"--and they are being serious, not making jokes.
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Unread postby John27 » 3 March 2020, 10:02

poolerboy0077 wrote:In all seriousness, is it safe to say Trump will get another four more years?


Who knows? November is a long ways off. (I now have a sinking feeling of depression, as I think that we have 6 more moths of this already more than tiresome election cycle to go!) If something happens--like the economy collapsing--even a lackluster Democrat might win.

But, assuming nothing hugely horrible happens, and assuming a Biden nomination, I'd guess Trump would win. The last time the Democrats tried the "moderate" approach against Trump was an unmitigated failure. And I think of stuff in Biden''s background--like support for NAFTA--which Trump can use to his advantage in key states.

I think Sanders would have a chance of beating Trump. But can he get the nomination? He's doing well with primaries, but will happen when it's convention time? So much of the party will do anything to sabotage him. They'd rather have 4 more years of Trump than a President Sanders. They will survive, and, of course, if things get really bad at the end of 4 more years of Trump, it will make it easier to sell the 2024 version of Hillary or Joe.
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Unread postby John27 » 3 March 2020, 10:09

Derek wrote:If it's not Bernie, absolutely. I sure as hell won't vote for Biden.


And that's my attitude as well. Although, in my case, it makes no difference--whatever Democrat wins the nomination will likely win my state (which has happened every election cycle more than 30 years now).

If I were in a swing state, who knows? I might hold my nose and vote for Biden...but it would be a hard sell, and it would take a lot of thought and soul searching.
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Unread postby John27 » 3 March 2020, 10:33

Another thing. I'm honestly wondering if the Democratic Party will survive 2020 intact... There is the friction between progressive and conservative. And why is there progressive and conservative in the same party? Add to that possible sabotage of Sanders. The end result is anyone's guess. Maybe there will be a period of positive change, and the party wlll remain intact, but changed. Maybe there will be no change, but they can hold on because the system is set to encourage a duopoly. Or else this may be the point when a viable 3rd party might get started.

We'll see, I guess. It could be interesting. Although also scary--what with the possibility of another 4 years of Trump, not to mention some very serious problems that need attention ASAP (like climate change).
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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 3 March 2020, 13:25

René wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:One of my female coworkers despises home. She thinks we in the US already help people too much. lol

Is home code for something or a typo? :P

Sorry. Despises “him”. Him referring to Bernie.
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Unread postby Brenden » 4 March 2020, 11:59

Warren is so frustrating. Hope she's happy losing to Biden in her own state when she could have helped a fellow progressive and secured either the vice presidency or a high-ranking cabinet position in a progressive government.
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Unread postby René » 4 March 2020, 12:09

She really doesn't know when to quit. Or start. Her timing is the worst. It's got to be selfish ambition, just like in 2016 when she was probably fishing for a cabinet post in a Hillary government. I bet Bernie would have dropped out already if the situation had been reversed.
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Unread postby Brenden » 4 March 2020, 12:14

After what the Obama administration did to her I can't believe she helped Hillary by staying quiet during the 2016 primary.
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Unread postby Brenden » 4 March 2020, 17:51

Bernie won a resounding victory with the expats in Scotland!

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Unread postby Derek » 5 March 2020, 02:54

I'm feeling a little black-pilled at the moment. Giving a shit is exhausting. I want to go back to teenage nihilism.
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Unread postby rogonandi » 5 March 2020, 03:38

poolerboy0077 wrote:
René wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:One of my female coworkers despises home. She thinks we in the US already help people too much. lol

Is home code for something or a typo? :P

Sorry. Despises “him”. Him referring to Bernie.

She thinks people in the USA help each other too much already? Jesus fucking Christ...what a land of arrogance and evil... :facepalm2:
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Unread postby 4Change » 5 March 2020, 04:50

I didn't know that Biden supported the War in Iraq.

I saw on the news today a video with Biden and an Iraqi Veteran:

The veteran said: “You enabled that war. Millions are dead in Iraq. Their blood is on your hands!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojkCKPtcJ54
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Unread postby bluesunstorm » 5 March 2020, 05:44

4Change wrote:I didn't know that Biden supported the War in Iraq.

I saw on the news today a video with Biden and an Iraqi Veteran:

The veteran said: “You enabled that war. Millions are dead in Iraq. Their blood is on your hands!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojkCKPtcJ54

They already tried that with Clinton, and it was weak sauce. Congress was blatantly lied to about Iraq having WMDs.
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Unread postby bluesunstorm » 5 March 2020, 05:49

Derek wrote:If it's not Bernie, absolutely. I sure as hell won't vote for Biden.

I think you people hate Democrats more than Trump/The Republican Party. If you're not in a swing state, it really doesn't matter. The youth turnout was 13% of the electorate in the Super Tuesday states, which is abysmal. Why is Sanders a strong candidate again? It just shows a lot of his support in 2016 was from caucuses and the "not Hillary" vote.

Biden simply does better with older votes (the ones who reliably get out and consistently vote), moderate/swing votes (his big strength in Virginia and North Carolina), and African-Americans. He's the strongest of the candidates to take on Trump.
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Unread postby Derek » 5 March 2020, 05:59

bluesunstorm wrote:They already tried that with Clinton, and it was weak sauce.

It was so weak sauce she lost the election?

Congress was blatantly lied to about Iraq having WMDs.

Damn voters with their pie-in-the-sky dreams of a politician capable of seeing through the Bush administration or voting against an immoral war on principle.

What's that, you say? There were over 40 Congressmen who voted against the Iraq Resolution, including mainstream figures like Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, and John Kerry? Whaaaat??

bluesunstorm wrote:I think you people hate Democrats more than Trump/The Republican Party. If you're not in a swing state, it really doesn't matter. The youth turnout was 13% of the electorate in the Super Tuesday states, which is abysmal. Why is Sanders a strong candidate again? It just shows a lot of his support in 2016 was from caucuses and the "not Hillary" vote.

I'm going to re-post what I said earlier:

Derek wrote:This is where I'm at. If Sanders doesn't win the nomination, then I don't care who wins 2020. I'm prepared to admit that a Pete presidency is better on paper than a Trump one, but you have to consider the broader trajectory. Obama was swept in a wave of populist support, Democrats had both branches of Congress, and the financial crisis had created the biggest impetus for transformational reform in a generation. And now nothing is left of his tenure except that Trump defeated his hand-picked successor. What was the point? The party in its current configuration is not capable of wielding power, and what's more, it's not capable of combating an opposition party that actually is.


To respond more directly, I don't hate Democrats more than Republicans, but I don't see what difference it makes supporting them.
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Unread postby bluesunstorm » 5 March 2020, 07:47

HRC didn't lose the election based on the Iraq War vote, it was barely an issue that registered. I mean, you don't have to vote for Democrats, but change is often incremental? How are you going to get a super costly m4a when there was so much push back against even the ACA?
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Unread postby René » 5 March 2020, 09:26

bluesunstorm wrote:HRC didn't lose the election based on the Iraq War vote, it was barely an issue that registered. I mean, you don't have to vote for Democrats, but change is often incremental? How are you going to get a super costly m4a when there was so much push back against even the ACA?

America seems so dumb and incapable from an international perspective. If Scotland (a way poorer country) can afford M4A and make it work brilliantly and provide coverage for *everyone* without charging overly high taxes, while spending a fraction of what the US spends per capita to provide only a lucky subset of its population with usually vastly inferior coverage, with ridiculous numbers of people not being able to see the doctor or afford their medicines or going bankrupt trying to pay for life-saving drugs and operations, what does it say about America that what we have here is apparently utterly unaffordable and impossible to make work?

Is your country just inept? Is it ignorance of how things work in other countries? I thought you were the most advanced nation on Earth?
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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 5 March 2020, 09:38

bluesunstorm wrote:HRC didn't lose the election based on the Iraq War vote, it was barely an issue that registered. I mean, you don't have to vote for Democrats, but change is often incremental? How are you going to get a super costly m4a when there was so much push back against even the ACA?

Isn’t the ACA currently at risk of being decimated since the SCOTUS could potentially now weigh in on the viability of every provision? Apart from that not much is left from the past administration which didn’t really use its opportunity to effect much meaningful change, so in effect voting for moderate democrats has the effect delaying the inevitable Republic takeover of the republic a la Senator Palpatine from episode 3 of SW. How’s that saying in Spanish go—all that farting just to end up shitting watery.
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Unread postby Brenden » 5 March 2020, 09:52

I will not be voting for the Senator from MBNA for President.

I am so God damn sick and tired of the corporate corruption.
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