2020 US Presidential Election | Primaries | nEw PolL
Re: 2020 US Presidential Election | Primaries | nEw PolL
by Sullivan » 2 May 2020, 18:32
I hate to be petty about regnal numbers but at the same time who am I kidding no I don't: Louis XVI.
More importantly, even if you want to argue that both nonvoting and regicide are rooted in alienation and disaffection, don't you see an important difference between the two? To me, the former has an unavoidable passivity; sure, you're not buying into the existing political order, but you're also not directly undermining it. The latter, meanwhile, is of course active overthrow of the powers that be—it is disaffection collectively channeled to effect change rather than sequestered on the level of the individual and squandered.
More importantly, even if you want to argue that both nonvoting and regicide are rooted in alienation and disaffection, don't you see an important difference between the two? To me, the former has an unavoidable passivity; sure, you're not buying into the existing political order, but you're also not directly undermining it. The latter, meanwhile, is of course active overthrow of the powers that be—it is disaffection collectively channeled to effect change rather than sequestered on the level of the individual and squandered.
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Re: 2020 US Presidential Election | Primaries | nEw PolL
by Derek » 2 May 2020, 19:31
This argument is on the previous page now and I no longer remember what it was about. The point is I'm voting for Jesse Ventura and you should too.
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Re: 2020 US Presidential Election | Primaries | nEw PolL
by Sullivan » 2 May 2020, 20:17
Fortune can be cruel. I felt the precariousness of my position as soon as I saw the fresh page.
Ventura 2020.
Ventura 2020.
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Re: 2020 US Presidential Election | Primaries | nEw PolL
by John27 » 2 May 2020, 21:18
Has Jesse Ventura even entered the race officially yet?
I remember when he was elected governor of MN. I can't remember for sure, but I think it's possible I was happy seeing someone outside the Democrat/Republican duopoly win a major office. Although I have no idea how well things worked when he was in office. Although at this point, I think anyone would have to be an improvement over Trump and Biden.
It will be interesting to see what happens with 3rd party/independents this year...
I've been interested in how the Democratic faithful have been foaming at the mouth about Justin Amash possibly running. It seemed weird, since he'd be theoretically too conservative to attract possible Democratic voters. But as at least one progressive commentator pointed out, he might pose a threat for some of the suburban votes the Democrats currently love chasing.
I voted "maybe" vote Biden on this poll when it appeared...but since that time, that maybe has gotten less and less and less likely. I do suppose he's arguably "not as bad as Trump". But the more stuff that I hear about his past record, not to mention Tara Reade's allegations, the less I like Biden.
I remember when he was elected governor of MN. I can't remember for sure, but I think it's possible I was happy seeing someone outside the Democrat/Republican duopoly win a major office. Although I have no idea how well things worked when he was in office. Although at this point, I think anyone would have to be an improvement over Trump and Biden.
It will be interesting to see what happens with 3rd party/independents this year...
I've been interested in how the Democratic faithful have been foaming at the mouth about Justin Amash possibly running. It seemed weird, since he'd be theoretically too conservative to attract possible Democratic voters. But as at least one progressive commentator pointed out, he might pose a threat for some of the suburban votes the Democrats currently love chasing.
I voted "maybe" vote Biden on this poll when it appeared...but since that time, that maybe has gotten less and less and less likely. I do suppose he's arguably "not as bad as Trump". But the more stuff that I hear about his past record, not to mention Tara Reade's allegations, the less I like Biden.
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Re: 2020 US Presidential Election | Primaries | nEw PolL
by John27 » 2 May 2020, 21:28
Then...I noticed Hillary has unfortunately emerged from under her rock to endorse Joe Biden. My thought: the "electable" establishment Democrat who lost 2016 endorses the "electable" establishment Democrat who likely will lose the 2020 election. The election loser of 2004 has long been fully supportive of Biden.
It's amazing, actually, how terrible the Republican candidates were in 2004, 2016, and 2020--and yet the Democrats still manage to come up with someone who either lost, or seems likely to lose.
Of course, we know it's all the fault of those of us on the left who don't kiss Democrat ass on command. It's never an issue of selecting a shitty candidate! And it's the fault of Jill Stein. And Russia. And Russia. And Russia. Maybe the one good thing if Biden wins: I won't have to listen to conspiracy theories about Russian influence non-stop for the next 4 years.
It's amazing, actually, how terrible the Republican candidates were in 2004, 2016, and 2020--and yet the Democrats still manage to come up with someone who either lost, or seems likely to lose.
Of course, we know it's all the fault of those of us on the left who don't kiss Democrat ass on command. It's never an issue of selecting a shitty candidate! And it's the fault of Jill Stein. And Russia. And Russia. And Russia. Maybe the one good thing if Biden wins: I won't have to listen to conspiracy theories about Russian influence non-stop for the next 4 years.
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Re: 2020 US Presidential Election | Primaries | nEw PolL
by John27 » 18 May 2020, 23:46
Saw this a few minutes ago:
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