2020 US Presidential Election | Primaries | UPDATED POLL

Discuss the news, current events, politics, etc.

Which (D) candidates do you have a favorable opinion of at this point?

Kamala Harris
2
13%
Pete Buttigieg
6
38%
Marianne Williamson
3
19%
Andrew Yang
6
38%
Tulsi Gabbard
5
31%
Tim Ryan
1
6%
Cory Booker
0
No votes
Jay Inslee
4
25%
Eric Swalwell
0
No votes
Kirsten Gillibrand
2
13%
John Delaney
0
No votes
Bernie Sanders
11
69%
Joe Biden
2
13%
Julián Castro
2
13%
Amy Klobuchar
1
6%
Bill de Blasio
1
6%
John Hickenlooper
1
6%
Elizabeth Warren
7
44%
Beto O'Rourke
1
6%
Michael Bennet
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 55

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Unread postby Dextroque » 26 August 2019, 07:59

bluesunstorm wrote:I really don't see Trump winning again though. He's certainly not gaining supporters, and presidents rarely increase their vote share the second time around.


Lets hope so!
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But headlines in the news like the one today, "Donald Trump suggested firing nuclear weapons into hurricanes to prevent them hitting the US" gives him publicity. Remember, that everybody thought he was a joke back in 2016, so lets not underestimate him (once) again.
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Unread postby Capt._Trips » 26 August 2019, 11:03

Dextroque wrote:
bluesunstorm wrote:I really don't see Trump winning again though. He's certainly not gaining supporters, and presidents rarely increase their vote share the second time around.


Lets hope so!
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But headlines in the news like the one today, "Donald Trump suggested firing nuclear weapons into hurricanes to prevent them hitting the US" gives him publicity. Remember, that everybody thought he was a joke back in 2016, so lets not underestimate him (once) again.


Lol the media is insane with some of the thing's they make up. Smh
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Unread postby Dextroque » 26 August 2019, 12:03

Victor_Laszlo wrote:
Dextroque wrote:
bluesunstorm wrote:I really don't see Trump winning again though. He's certainly not gaining supporters, and presidents rarely increase their vote share the second time around.


Lets hope so!
:noes:
But headlines in the news like the one today, "Donald Trump suggested firing nuclear weapons into hurricanes to prevent them hitting the US" gives him publicity. Remember, that everybody thought he was a joke back in 2016, so lets not underestimate him (once) again.


Lol the media is insane with some of the thing's they make up. Smh


See, that's exactly what I mean! And it was no joke. Haven't you read the news?
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Unread postby bluesunstorm » 26 August 2019, 17:54

Derek wrote:I don't understand how anyone can be so ahistorical. Not even historical - this all happened in the past few years! Did you not notice the resurgence of right-wing ideology, which sprang up from... basically nothing? Do you really think it's the stroke of the "pendulum" bouncing back from the side of liberal extremists who bailed out Wall Street and begged insurance companies to let them pass legislation? What an utterly blinkered perspective. These assholes have been here the whole time. Politics is opportunism, and in this case the opportunity was a complete lack of ideological opposition. How the hell do you complain about "bankers, ceo's, and politicians" and condemn the impetus to seek an alternative in the same breath?

bluesunstorm wrote:Do all the millions more who voted for Clinton in the primary and probably will choose Biden just not matter? And, let's not pretend that the centrism has been unpopular on a national scale.

Centrism is extremely unpopular, and more than that, it has no mandate and no viable long-term political strategy. Those millions more who voted for Clinton in the primary absolutely do not matter.

If centrism is so unpopular, then why have most recent presidents and nominees been overall centrist? Why don't the people's votes matter? Someone like Bernie Sanders has been an alternative twice now, and the majority of voters still aren't picking him. Maybe most just don't want to the policy proposals.
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Unread postby Derek » 26 August 2019, 18:46

If centrism was popular, then how did Trump defeat Hillary? The reason the democrats push centrists candidates is because their influence and wealth lies squarely within the beltway milieu that has no genuine interest in changing anything, and electoral politics is largely a function of influence and wealth. You'll note that Bernie has consistently ranked as the most popular candidate for four years. If he wins the nomination, it will be without the backing of a party that has been openly hostile towards him, despite their failures and unpopularity.
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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 26 August 2019, 22:04

Now that you’re back I’m going to bump this.

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bluesunstorm wrote:I'm not a Trump supporter, didn't vote for him, and I'm not going to. I don't think being against or concerned about illegal immigration is a Trump Republican thing only.

Why do you think you thought immigration was at its highest ever when it turns out the opposite is true?
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Unread postby Derek » 26 August 2019, 23:36

So Erick, you'll be voting for Beto because he speaks Spanish, right?
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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 27 August 2019, 12:30

I’m glad the Boomers ganged up on you. I think I’ll vote for Trump this time just to see your liberal tears.
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Unread postby bluesunstorm » 27 August 2019, 17:33

poolerboy0077 wrote:I’m glad the Boomers ganged up on you. I think I’ll vote for Trump this time just to see your liberal tears.

Is there anyone here who's actually a boomer? I mean, I'm only 28.
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Unread postby Brenden » 27 August 2019, 17:40

poolerboy0077 wrote:Now that you’re back I’m going to bump this.

poolerboy0077 wrote:
Derek wrote:
bluesunstorm wrote:I'm not a Trump supporter, didn't vote for him, and I'm not going to. I don't think being against or concerned about illegal immigration is a Trump Republican thing only.

Why do you think you thought immigration was at its highest ever when it turns out the opposite is true?
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Unread postby Derek » 27 August 2019, 17:45

That is a pretty boomer mindset.

Also Erick is a boomer. You can tell from the enormous sense of entitlement he has regarding twink private parts.
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Unread postby mxguy01 » 27 August 2019, 20:58

Derek wrote:That is a pretty boomer mindset.

Also Erick is a boomer. You can tell from the enormous sense of entitlement he has regarding twink private parts.
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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 27 August 2019, 21:32

bluesunstorm wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:I’m glad the Boomers ganged up on you. I think I’ll vote for Trump this time just to see your liberal tears.

Is there anyone here who's actually a boomer? I mean, I'm only 28.

Brenden wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:Now that you’re back I’m going to bump this.

poolerboy0077 wrote:
Derek wrote:
bluesunstorm wrote:I'm not a Trump supporter, didn't vote for him, and I'm not going to. I don't think being against or concerned about illegal immigration is a Trump Republican thing only.

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Also Erick is a boomer. You can tell from the enormous sense of entitlement he has regarding twink private parts.

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Unread postby bluesunstorm » 28 August 2019, 23:25

Brenden wrote:
poolerboy0077 wrote:Now that you’re back I’m going to bump this.

poolerboy0077 wrote:
Derek wrote:
bluesunstorm wrote:I'm not a Trump supporter, didn't vote for him, and I'm not going to. I don't think being against or concerned about illegal immigration is a Trump Republican thing only.

Why do you think you thought immigration was at its highest ever when it turns out the opposite is true?

I made a mistake, okay? I still don't think illegal immigration is a positive thing regardless and am against it, but obviously everyone else disagrees here, so I'll just leave it at agree to disagree.
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Unread postby Derek » 28 August 2019, 23:49

I'm not sure about Erick and Brenden, but I wasn't trying to hassle you when I asked that question. I actually think it's important to know. The perception is shared by many people who believe that illegal immigration is at crisis levels, which is why we shouldn't vote democrat. However, the perception is almost entirely a function of Trump's rhetoric, and like all of Trump's rhetoric, it's a blatant, cynical, destructive lie, so opposite from the truth that it begs an explanation for why anyone would receive it. I can only guess that it stems from xenophobia, or possibly a more directed prejudice.
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Unread postby mxguy01 » 29 August 2019, 17:33

Derek wrote:I'm not sure about Erick and Brenden, but I wasn't trying to hassle you when I asked that question. I actually think it's important to know. The perception is shared by many people who believe that illegal immigration is at crisis levels, which is why we shouldn't vote democrat. However, the perception is almost entirely a function of Trump's rhetoric, and like all of Trump's rhetoric, it's a blatant, cynical, destructive lie, so opposite from the truth that it begs an explanation for why anyone would receive it. I can only guess that it stems from xenophobia, or possibly a more directed prejudice.


I disagree and think illegal immigration is at a crisis level. But here is why. First and foremost is who and how we classify illegal. Well if you have lots of money in the bank, a good education, etc, you can get in. If you have some special circumstance you get in. If you come here, work for years in the agriculture areas of this country, support your family, not have any criminal activity, etc. and still you get to be "illegal" being get treated as less than human. I'd call that a crisis.

Yes, that needs balanced with how many people is reasonable to let become permanent residency. The reality is that we have set up a "class system" where the affluent (or wealthy) get a hall pass so to speak while the less affluent (less educated and lower economic) have no chance. That needs corrected first.
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Unread postby Derek » 29 August 2019, 18:31

Okay. First we fix the way power works and has always worked throughout human history. Then we help the brown people.
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Unread postby mxguy01 » 29 August 2019, 19:00

Yes, and both parties will work in harmony to achieve it too.

Maybe as the people from around my generation (and prior), who really represent the majority of leadership in this country, die off and are replace by an more progressive generation, things might actually change. Times have changed and I think it is possible. Just that this two party system seems to stymie every decent initiative until things are at the brink of disaster. So what, maybe another 30ish years for real change? Hum, climate change should hurry that one alone is my guess...
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