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Unread postby Poisson » 13 June 2019, 23:34

I'm curious: what are your thoughts on the current climate crisis and its solutions? What is the popular opinion about this issue where you are from?

Here, the youth is getting more and more worried, almost all uni/college students in the province were on a school strike on March 15th, and high school students in Montréal protest in the streets every friday to support Greta Thunberg's movement. It's kinda scary tho because the Conservative party is ahead in the polls for the upcoming federal elections and they do not plan on doing anything to reduce greenhouse gases emissions or oil exploitation.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Jzone » 14 June 2019, 00:32

Unfortunately, money is power. The rich seem largely focused on maintaining and increasing their wealth, and many of them become involved in politics to achieve that (at least as donors). Economic expansion, resource exploitation, and negative environmental impacts are some of the unfortunate results.

In the USA there seem to be two major groups: happy science deniers, who tend to be politically conservative; and discouraged liberal/progressives. Under our current *sigh* president, there is little hope for any realistic and intelligent response to this issue. Short-term corporate and personal interests rule. With the rising wealth and "Westernization" of China, India, and other countries; it's hard to see a way out of the mess we are in. I remain an optimist, however, we just need to get creative and determined to find that way out.

There are no easy answers to this one. Snapping a magic gauntlet to erase half the population would not solve it, although it is interesting to see how concern about climate change seeps into popular culture. Thanos is just one manifestation. Individuals like Greta Thunberg can be amazingly inspirational, but they are up against a massive tide of denial, discouragement, wealth, and political power.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Iamjava » 14 June 2019, 02:51

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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 14 June 2019, 03:15

The effects of climate change are visible in the disrupted ecosystems.

Look what recently happened to Cancun:



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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Derek » 14 June 2019, 03:24

Iamjava wrote:it is a sensitive topic. therefore i shall reply once.

I don't think there's much controversy regarding the seriousness of climate change anywhere in the world except among the very narrow demographic of conservative American boomers.

At this point, I think it should be a defining political issue. I would vote for Trump in 2020 if he came out hard for fighting climate change. Unfortunately, we're somehow still at a place where the words "Green New Deal" are spoken with overwhelming and self-evident scorn.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Iamjava » 14 June 2019, 06:13

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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Brenden » 14 June 2019, 08:02

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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby SteveIsNotMe » 14 June 2019, 11:57

I tend to believe that climate/weather exist in some sort of cycle or oscillations. That's why there's monsoon season/ hurricane season/ flood season/ drought. In the past there's some little ice age after warm period. That may happen today too. But, human activities would further intensify such event, thus might catapult the oscillation/seasonal/cycle out of it's orderly oscillation.

I see there's a big awakening among people about the climate change since the late 2000s, of which environmental issue tend to be brought into political debate/ policy making. ;)

What I see is that when the general public is more aware of climate change, the more it will be brought to the table. But people wouldn't talk about it unless they experience themselves or see for themselves. :gaping:

People seems to be apathetic and rarely voice it up if they're comfortable with it . Even there are always people who is aware of it, there's always the lobbyists who would eventually silence the talk. :|

Here's a video of Sarah Palin and Hilary Clinton talk about climate change:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSOLz1YBFG0[/youtube]
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Eryx » 14 June 2019, 13:18

I'm starting to become afraid that I might die early because of the collapse of the planet.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 14 June 2019, 17:31

My best friend’s gf is a conservative who once said, “Fuck the environment.” She also thinks global warming is a hoax. lol
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby GaySpacePirateKing » 14 June 2019, 21:30

SteveIsNotMe wrote:I tend to believe that climate/weather exist in some sort of cycle or oscillations.


Well it does, but the natural rates of change are like in the thousands to millions of years, whereas human agency has now completely taking over that and on present course is returning us to a world resembling the middle Pliocene warm period about 3 million years ago when global average temperatures were 3 to 4 degrees higher than now. That world had coniferous forests replacing arctic tundra and an arctic ice cap that only existed in winter. There are times further back when there were freaking rainforest and crocodiles in the north pole and scorching hot uninhabitable equator. Climate change returns us to these worlds over the span of a century or two which is a hell of a shock.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Poisson » 14 June 2019, 23:07

Jzone wrote:There are no easy answers to this one. Snapping a magic gauntlet to erase half the population would not solve it, although it is interesting to see how concern about climate change seeps into popular culture. Thanos is just one manifestation. Individuals like Greta Thunberg can be amazingly inspirational, but they are up against a massive tide of denial, discouragement, wealth, and political power.


I agree that the lack of action to this day is discouraging, but I’ve become more optimistic lately (I don’t think that a miracle is coming, but I used to be way more cynical). Some european countries and even China already announced that they will ban fuel vehicles sales by 2040, greens around the globe are beginning to have better representation in their parliements and Canada declared the end of single-use plastic by 2021! It’s given me enough hope to keep putting pressure on the governments and make things move. Better later than never!
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby SteveIsNotMe » 15 June 2019, 05:23

GaySpacePirateKing wrote:
SteveIsNotMe wrote:I tend to believe that climate/weather exist in some sort of cycle or oscillations.


Well it does, but the natural rates of change are like in the thousands to millions of years, whereas human agency has now completely taking over that and on present course is returning us to a world resembling the middle Pliocene warm period about 3 million years ago when global average temperatures were 3 to 4 degrees higher than now. That world had coniferous forests replacing arctic tundra and an arctic ice cap that only existed in winter. There are times further back when there were freaking rainforest and crocodiles in the north pole and scorching hot uninhabitable equator. Climate change returns us to these worlds over the span of a century or two which is a hell of a shock.


Will the climate changes back to something identical Pliocene period in the near future (say, within a century from now)? Has the scientific community reached to a consensus, affirm that climate will become something as such? Any peer-reviewed scientific journal can be used to further read into? Well I seldomly follow the progress made within climatologist community :D . So I'm not sure what is their latest perspective. :3

Nonetheless, a great majority of scientists agree that climate change is real, and global warming is real. Agreeing to some extend though. (Opinion varied among scientists: like they agree Pluto is a planet or something like Ceres. :D )

Anyway, I do think that the the average temperature projected for the future, is made through simulations, extrapolating based on current scenario (since we can't observe future temperature), with a variable of models used, thus discrepancy exists and deviates from each model. :gaping:

Which bring into questions, will the temperature within the next century from now, mimicking that of Pliocene warm period of which the average global temperature will be higher 3~4 degree from now? Of it may be 0.5-2.5 degree higher or 4.5-6 higher? On the basis of which model? :)
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby GaySpacePirateKing » 15 June 2019, 11:34

SteveIsNotMe wrote:Will the climate changes back to something identical Pliocene period in the near future (say, within a century from now)? Has the scientific community reached to a consensus, affirm that climate will become something as such? Any peer-reviewed scientific journal can be used to further read into? Well I seldomly follow the progress made within climatologist community :D . So I'm not sure what is their latest perspective. :3


I think it is the scientific consensus that we are heading towards 3-4 degrees Celsius of warming by 2100 which is about the same as the Pliocene period. I think that is one of the points in the latest International Pannel on Climate Change report published in 2018.

As for what particular modeling that is based on. I don't really know. As for paper recommendations I can't really help there either, but you would find a lot if you searched terms like pliocene analogue.

SteveIsNotMe wrote:Anyway, I do think that the the average temperature projected for the future, is made through simulations, extrapolating based on current scenario (since we can't observe future temperature)


A lot of the research comes from palaeo-sciences, that study what climate and environments were like in the past and how systems like the ice sheets or ocean currents or ecosystems responded to changes in co2. That data is then fed into models of future climate change.

Either way moving back to the Pliocene isn't as cool as it sounds. I think it's ramifications are the eventual loss of the Arctic ice sheet, collapse of the west antarctic ice sheet, collapse of the amazon rainforest, global sea levels being 25 meters higher, loss of all coral reefs, areas of the planet becoming literally too hot to survive in and a nose dive in global biodiversity affecting food and water security.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby SteveIsNotMe » 22 June 2019, 03:22

GaySpacePirateKing wrote:I think it is the scientific consensus that we are heading towards 3-4 degrees Celsius of warming by 2100 which is about the same as the Pliocene period. I think that is one of the points in the latest International Pannel on Climate Change report published in 2018.

As for what particular modeling that is based on. I don't really know. As for paper recommendations I can't really help there either, but you would find a lot if you searched terms like pliocene analogue.


Ah... thanks for pointing out the source. I just read the UN's International Panel on Climate Change. :D As mentioned they did project a 3-4 Celcius increase in global average temperature. But regarding the pliocene analogue, the sources is limited though. :3 The data model used to project future temperature was mostly taken from the 1900 until now though.

GaySpacePirateKing wrote:A lot of the research comes from palaeo-sciences, that study what climate and environments were like in the past and how systems like the ice sheets or ocean currents or ecosystems responded to changes in co2. That data is then fed into models of future climate change.

Either way moving back to the Pliocene isn't as cool as it sounds. I think it's ramifications are the eventual loss of the Arctic ice sheet, collapse of the west antarctic ice sheet, collapse of the amazon rainforest, global sea levels being 25 meters higher, loss of all coral reefs, areas of the planet becoming literally too hot to survive in and a nose dive in global biodiversity affecting food and water security.


If such catastrophe were to happen within the next 100 years, so that's mean it would be the end of human civilization? since the planet literally too hot to survive? :|
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Iamjava » 22 June 2019, 03:58

i plan to be dead by then, to be honest.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Eryx » 22 June 2019, 14:42

How come?
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Iamjava » 22 June 2019, 14:49

id be 109 and not worth a damn..
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Eryx » 22 June 2019, 15:56

Oh, right. Same! I still care for the future humans though
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Iamjava » 22 June 2019, 16:22

meh. sounds like a homophobes argument against gay sex.

i exit now. was a bit buzzed last nite.
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