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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Brenden » 24 April 2020, 13:55

You have provided absolutely no evidence of any academic consensus. In fact, you cited nothing. You just stated that it came from an American factory farm and gave the spooky raw number of deaths with no context.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Brenden » 24 April 2020, 13:57

If there were an academic consensus, one would expect to see it in the Wikipedia article, but all that is written in the article as to the origin of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic is what I've quoted.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Marmaduke » 24 April 2020, 14:07

Ok, so on re-reading (read "not skim reading") the virology journal, I may have mistakenly read North America and made the association of it being the United States of America. Piggeries in the USA didn't actually record any cases in 2009, at least as of October when the article was written.

I do apologise for this mistake. It does invalidate my position in this argument. However, I would like to state that I don't feel that this relevation meaningfully impacts the credibility of the research undertaken by the Marm. A. Duke Institute of Agricultural Research. I am very much separated from the research division by a Chinese wall. Whilst Brenden's racial hatred may cause him to hold distain for the wall, I do feel it protects the integrity of my scientists from my own stupidity.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby GaySpacePirateKing » 24 April 2020, 16:08

James M wrote:I think my main concern is that it's easy for deniers and those in positions of power to, whether it be for ignorance or personal gain, detract from the pressing issue.


When have you ever seen a politician answer a question directly? Detracting from issues is what they do anyway. This is about power though and the right wing corporate media and the political class are not going to draw attention to things that undermine them.

I try not to worry too much about what the media or politicians are saying. I am more interested in what ordinary people are saying and doing about it, what kind of politics and movements will emerge here at the bottom because this is where real politics happens.

I think the fact that wildlife has so visibly flourished while society is cooped up inside is indisputably a sign that humanity is the biggest threat to the planet - a sentiment which I've also seen doing the rounds on social media and is a more digestible way of looking at the issue for people who have no interest in scientific studies.


I don't trust those reports they sound sensationalist. So we are living through the sixth mass extinction but with less human activity for a month or two wildlife is flourishing everywhere. Have wildlife numbers suddenly gone up? I doubt it. I remember seeing an article about goats in a welsh village at night and whilst it was pretty funny I thought wait are goats wildlife now? They probably just escaped from a farm and took advantage of it being quiet. A lot of these stories have misanthropic slants to them as well and I hate that.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Hypnotic » 26 February 2021, 14:50

Unpopular opinion maybe. But I strongly believe that this Climate Crisis is based on theory and not on fact.

We have very little impact on climate change. We most likely contribute 1% to it every few hundred years. It's effect on the planet would need to take millions of years to have such an impact. But having said the that I'm fairly sure that Earth itself would most probably would be uninhabitable by then due to the expansion of the sun as it turns into a red giant in about a billion years or so. The temperatures and the weather on our planet itself is influenced by the solar winds and the sun itself. Solar minimum which is what we're in right now which means colder, wetter periods which is exactly what we've had throughout this winter season. Then there's solar maximum which means the complete opposite with milder and dryer periods.

As for Greta Thunberg she's just a puppet the billionaire globalists are investing in to cause young people to fear and to be indoctrinated into believing the world is ending. The fact is Al Gore said the same thing 22 years ago and said we'd be all dead by now from Global warming 😂

However I do believe that we have a pollution problem on our planet which seriously needs to be addressed to. Plastic should be phased out in packaging as its harmful to the oceans and the environment. I am all for sustainability of businesses and goods myself. However biggest culprits for world pollution are China, India and Africa. We in the Western world are increasingly more environmentally greener compared to those countries.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Brenden » 26 February 2021, 14:53

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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 26 February 2021, 18:51

That song by Florence + The Machine called “The Dog Days are Over” came to mind as I was watching a video on YouTube of some Chinese wet market slaughtering dogs. :lol:
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Jzone » 27 February 2021, 01:56

Hypnotic wrote:Unpopular opinion maybe. But I strongly believe that this Climate Crisis is based on theory and not on fact.

I think you have a misunderstanding of how knowledge works. Theories are based on facts, confirmed observations, and models whose predictions are repeatedly borne out. A theory has a very strong level of confidence of accuracy.

You may be able to make a case that Al Gore was alarmist, but there could clearly be a point in time when we are all still alive and there is nothing we can do to reverse the course of catastrophic climate change. (Please provide a source for when he said we would all be dead by now.)

Unsustainable resource consumption, environmental degradation, and pollution can only go on for so long until we face monumental consequences. We were warned 50 years ago. Just because we haven't all died does not mean it is not true.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Hypnotic » 27 February 2021, 13:19

Interestingly enough this report mentions it.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/01/al-gore-doomsday-clock-expires-climate-change-fanatics-wrong-again/

As for theories based on fact that is not true. Theories are just beliefs. You can believe this theory based on your values. However they are not my beliefs or values which means they are not facts but simply an opinion based on the globalist perspective of Climate Change.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Brenden » 27 February 2021, 13:40

1) That source is incredibly biased and cites Rush Fucking Limbaugh.

2) A "point of no return" does not mean sudden armageddon. It means a point at which positive feedback loops mean little can be done to halt or reverse a trend. Most scientists and their models are actually quite conservative in their estimates, which have consistently been surpassed.

3) Al Gore is not a scientist.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Severelius » 27 February 2021, 14:26

Hypnotic wrote:As for theories based on fact that is not true. Theories are just beliefs. You can believe this theory based on your values. However they are not my beliefs or values which means they are not facts but simply an opinion based on the globalist perspective of Climate Change.

Regular 'theories' and 'scientific theories' are by definition different things. A scientific theory isn't just baseless speculation, it is a thesis backed up by substantial evidence.

The United States National Academy of Sciences wrote:The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence.

Many scientific theories are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them substantially. For example, no new evidence will demonstrate that the Earth does not orbit around the sun (heliocentric theory), or that living things are not made of cells (cell theory), that matter is not composed of atoms, or that the surface of the Earth is not divided into solid plates that have moved over geological timescales (the theory of plate tectonics)...One of the most useful properties of scientific theories is that they can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed.


This is why the vast majority of the world's scientists agree that climate change both is a very real danger and that human activity is substantially contributing to it.

It doesn't matter what Al Gore said in the 90s.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Jzone » 1 March 2021, 02:06

Hypnotic wrote:Theories are just beliefs.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of science. In science a theory is the pinnacle of our current understanding of a subject. It is the most accurate model available, based on facts, experimentation, and consensus of experts.

We can toss the word around carelessly when we say things like, "I have a theory about where you were last night," but this has nothing to do with the scientific usage. If you want to talk about climate change and the data behind the science, stick with the formal definition. The facts don't give a fuck about what you or I believe.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Nicholas » 1 March 2021, 07:51

Watching this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08xc32c made me feel sad.
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