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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Brenden » 24 April 2020, 13:55

You have provided absolutely no evidence of any academic consensus. In fact, you cited nothing. You just stated that it came from an American factory farm and gave the spooky raw number of deaths with no context.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Brenden » 24 April 2020, 13:57

If there were an academic consensus, one would expect to see it in the Wikipedia article, but all that is written in the article as to the origin of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic is what I've quoted.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby Marmaduke » 24 April 2020, 14:07

Ok, so on re-reading (read "not skim reading") the virology journal, I may have mistakenly read North America and made the association of it being the United States of America. Piggeries in the USA didn't actually record any cases in 2009, at least as of October when the article was written.

I do apologise for this mistake. It does invalidate my position in this argument. However, I would like to state that I don't feel that this relevation meaningfully impacts the credibility of the research undertaken by the Marm. A. Duke Institute of Agricultural Research. I am very much separated from the research division by a Chinese wall. Whilst Brenden's racial hatred may cause him to hold distain for the wall, I do feel it protects the integrity of my scientists from my own stupidity.
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Re: Climate crisis

Unread postby GaySpacePirateKing » 24 April 2020, 16:08

James M wrote:I think my main concern is that it's easy for deniers and those in positions of power to, whether it be for ignorance or personal gain, detract from the pressing issue.


When have you ever seen a politician answer a question directly? Detracting from issues is what they do anyway. This is about power though and the right wing corporate media and the political class are not going to draw attention to things that undermine them.

I try not to worry too much about what the media or politicians are saying. I am more interested in what ordinary people are saying and doing about it, what kind of politics and movements will emerge here at the bottom because this is where real politics happens.

I think the fact that wildlife has so visibly flourished while society is cooped up inside is indisputably a sign that humanity is the biggest threat to the planet - a sentiment which I've also seen doing the rounds on social media and is a more digestible way of looking at the issue for people who have no interest in scientific studies.


I don't trust those reports they sound sensationalist. So we are living through the sixth mass extinction but with less human activity for a month or two wildlife is flourishing everywhere. Have wildlife numbers suddenly gone up? I doubt it. I remember seeing an article about goats in a welsh village at night and whilst it was pretty funny I thought wait are goats wildlife now? They probably just escaped from a farm and took advantage of it being quiet. A lot of these stories have misanthropic slants to them as well and I hate that.
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