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How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected official?

Unread postby Derek » 8 March 2016, 16:09

This isn't a particularly interesting story, but it made me wonder.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/rebecca-br ... 76861.html

A Michigan Supreme Court judge is under fire for things she wrote for a college newspaper 24 years ago. The gems include statements like "the homosexuals and drug addicts who do essentially kill themselves and others through their own behavior deservedly receive none of my sympathy," and "One will be better off contracting AIDS than developing cancer because those afflicted with the politically correct disease will be getting all of the funding."

From what I can tell, the general response is that we shouldn't care because we all had stupid beliefs when we were younger. While I can sympathize with that, I wonder to what extent it applies. She was only a little younger than me when she wrote these things. I have changed my mind on many issues, but I think my core moral beliefs are essentially unchanged from the time I was a little kid. I can't imagine what transformation I might undergo in the next 24 years that would be in any way equivalent.

So I pose the question to you all. Does this bother you? Should an elected official be subjugated to this level of scrutiny? Is the circumstance of this coming from the early 90's in any way exculpatory? Do you think your views have changed or will change as much as hers?
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 8 March 2016, 20:41

It certainly bothers me that a person who held these beliefs is now a judge. Could you take her mere word that she's a changed woman who has seen the light? I highly doubt it. Then again, there are people who have done a 180 on gay issues within the last few years.
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby Lucas » 8 March 2016, 22:14

It depends on my opinion of their other behaviors, policies, and agendas. Seeing as I know nothing more about this person than the presented evidence of ignorance toward gays, to indulge in autoschediasm, the contingent opinion I have of her is not favorable.

Will my views change in 24 years? Maybe. A volatile or drastic shift in social climate can be very persuasive, as can new empirical evidence.
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby rxxli » 8 March 2016, 22:39

Basically... Depends on the case.

When you are in college you pretty much can't hide behind childhood stupidity anymore. And after that your world views don't change much. At least I don't think so.

Could she have changed her opinions? People do that. But I would be very skeptical. Especially if they get any power over the group that was their target in the past.
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby Sherri » 9 March 2016, 02:39

Derek wrote:I have changed my mind on many issues, but I think my core moral beliefs are essentially unchanged from the time I was a little kid. I can't imagine what transformation I might undergo in the next 24 years that would be in any way equivalent.


I was discussing this with my ex-husband last night while we drove back to our hometown. We were talking about how high school doesn't matter for most people, but the ideals we held and began to express in high school were largely unchanged. Some of my ideas have changed (like disgust toward drag queens), but it was because I compared the things I was doing to my core values and realized it didn't add up, so I changed it.

This woman could have done the same thing. I'd want to know how she voted on issues that had to do with homosexuality and AIDS. If nothing else, she can easily state that she is no longer as ignorant now; we know a lot more about AIDS, particularly that it is not just a homosexual disease. We have movies like The Dallas Buyer's Club dedicated to that now.

Her words say one thing; I'd want to know what her actions said.
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby Derek » 9 March 2016, 12:39

Sherri wrote:Her words say one thing; I'd want to know what her actions said.

Well, she's a political ally of Scott Walker. I don't know what her record as a judge is like with respect to gay rights.

In any case, I think it's something Wisconsin voters ought to know about. I wonder if people would be so willing to extend her the benefit of the doubt if her comments were bigoted towards e.g. black people instead.
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby Derek » 12 March 2016, 15:09

On a similar note, Hillary Clinton, speaking at Nancy Reagan's funeral, just praised the Reagan administration for starting a public discourse on AIDS and raising awareness.
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby xyz72 » 12 March 2016, 16:09

Derek wrote:On a similar note, Hillary Clinton, speaking at Nancy Reagan's funeral, just praised the Reagan administration for starting a public discourse on AIDS and raising awareness.

And she already took it back and apologized for it. Research-failure because she wanted the quick press coverage while riding on the wave of Reagan's death? A bit shocking how often American politicians (on both sides, with no exceptions) get simple facts wrong in their speeches. You'd think at least the presidential candidates would have enough fact-checkers.
"While the Reagans were strong advocates for stem cell research and finding a cure for Alzheimer's disease, I misspoke about their record on HIV and AIDS," Clinton said in a statement. "For that, I'm sorry."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/11/polit ... agan-aids/
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby Derek » 12 March 2016, 16:18

She was a political consultant and activist in the 80s, so unless she's a complete idiot the progression of the AIDS epidemic can't have escaped her. I think that she, in her typical fashion, said what she thought people wanted to hear, and it got away from her.
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby xyz72 » 12 March 2016, 17:20

Fair point. She's a populist. I just expect her to a bit BIT smarter about stuff like that. She out of all the candidates should know shit like this will blow up in her face right away in the age of the internet.
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 12 March 2016, 18:18

Derek wrote:I wonder if people would be so willing to extend her the benefit of the doubt if her comments were bigoted towards e.g. black people instead.

I like using this as a metric. It's even surprised me how dismissive (and because of it, permissive) I've been of the nonsense some people say about gays but how outraged everyone would be if it were directed at black people. I remember this week listening to someone who was praising a guy who said that while he was personally disgusted by the thought of gay sex he feels this should have no bearing as to whether or not he thinks we should be afforded rights and dignity.

Derek wrote:On a similar note, Hillary Clinton, speaking at Nancy Reagan's funeral, just praised the Reagan administration for starting a public discourse on AIDS and raising awareness.

This story, for me, adds to the cringe-worthiness of her comment:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... -treatment
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby notlaw » 19 April 2016, 06:34

Yesterday during halftime of the Trailblazer and Clippers game. Shaquille O'Neal made a comment about a play that Charles Barkley said was an offensive foul. Blake Griffin (who had the ball)
backed into to Damien Lillard. Shaquille said; it was a flop and the players need to man up; "ain't no punks out there." Is this any different from what Don Imus said when he referred to
Rutgers Ladies Basketball Team as "nappy headed ho's." Don Imus was fired for his statement, in which I concur. Shaquille's derogatory statement on the other hand got no attention at all. Grant Hill did a commercial saying that these type of of word are not cool and aren't accepted in today's society. (PLEASE! Let TNT now that offensive words such as these should not be used on their network.)
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby Derek » 19 April 2016, 06:54

notlaw wrote:Yesterday during halftime of the Trailblazer and Clippers game. Shaquille O'Neal made a comment about a play that Charles Barkley said was an offensive foul. Blake Griffin (who had the ball)
backed into to Damien Lillard. Shaquille said; it was a flop and the players need to man up; "ain't no punks out there." Is this any different from what Don Imus said when he referred to
Rutgers Ladies Basketball Team as "nappy headed ho's." Don Imus was fired for his statement, in which I concur. Shaquille's derogatory statement on the other hand got no attention at all. Grant Hill did a commercial saying that these type of of word are not cool and aren't accepted in today's society. (PLEASE! Let TNT now that offensive words such as these should not be used on their network.)

That's is a ridiculously random contribution.

But it does give an opportunity to report that the woman in question was indeed elected (just barely) to the state Supreme Court, because apparently everyone in Wisconsin is an idiot so they elect their judges.
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby notlaw » 19 April 2016, 07:22

I know it was random, but not ridiculous.First time posting on site. Talking politics is more ridiculous. Do you actually think any lawyer really cares about anything but filling their pockets. Excuse the interuption,won't happen again.
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby xyz72 » 19 April 2016, 07:43

What kind of incoherent mess is this?
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 20 April 2016, 01:51

Is René advertising our forum on Alex Jones' site or what's with the recent nutters?
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby Lormill » 20 April 2016, 02:07

He already said that he's new here, it's his first post, apologized and said it won't happen again. Can't everyone just overlook certain things for once? This isn't even on the intellectual discussion for you to keep complaining of how incoherent you guys take him to be. T.T
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby Derek » 20 April 2016, 02:18

Lormill wrote:Can't everyone just overlook certain things for once?

Can't you?
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Re: How long would you hold bigoted remarks against an elected officia

Unread postby Lormill » 20 April 2016, 03:59

I can and I have before. Why make all this about me? You probably think I'm annoying as hell, and I get it, but I don't hate you, Derek. Your comment had pointed it out and was still focusing on the thread, it were the two comments after that which I took to be excessive and useless.

But, anyway, about the thread. I'm not one to really care about that, but I get why it is important when such comments come from public people with high representativity. I think I'd totally forget and forgive once that person publically apologizes. When a person with such representativity is affected by it, it serves as motor to change public opinion positively. Social pressure can serve a good purpose, and I think that is why the acceptance towards homosexual has surged in the last 5 years or so. It is considered "cool" to be tolerant and uncool to be hateful. Sure it sucks that people need the influence to make up their own minds, but as long as it is for a good thing, who cares, right?
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