How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

I mean, they are centrists, let's say someone believes in LGBTQ rights, but in fiscal matters or COVID restrictions you are closer to the right than to the left?

Socially, I’m quite left. Fiscally, I’m more to the right. Not as much as I used to be though. COVID restrictions, I’m a little fuzzy on where the centre is. I’m pro-social restrictions, which in the context feels more left to me because it’s anything but capitalist, but I’m fine with vaccinations being mandatory for clearance to go abroad or get into social venues, and that’s definitely right.

I am a human, not a gay-human

I almost died 3 years ago from West Nile (a virus passed from infected birds/horses to humans via mosquitoes). There will never be a vaccine since it effects so few people which would make it hard to justify the effort to make such a vaccine. (FYI, i my USA state about 20 people have died i the last 20 plus years.) So when i hear about people not wanting to end the global pandemic for a disease that DOES have an effective vaccine, I don't think about left and right politics. I think about selfishness, stupidity, fear of science, and right down evil. Some people cannot get a vaccine for medical reasons. But this BULLSHIT about the vaccine changing your DNA, or being micro chipped, or encouraging homoerotic fantasies, etc. I think just how primitive humanity still is.

I also think it is pathetic to justify being against masking/vaccination as an affront to freedom. Would these same fools, be upset of someone people took back their freedom in other things? For example, maybe I would like to drive on the other side of the road?

How people get their panties all wadded out of shape over a vaccination is beyond me. Do they not know that the longer this virus can spread, the more opportunities it has to mutate into something even more contagious and possibly with higher morbidity than the Delta?

I am a moderate -- or as you refer to it as centrist. In the US there are really only two viable parties -- Democrat and Republican. I tend to refer to myself as an Anti-Republican rather than Democrat. That is because Democrats can come up with GOOFY ideas. Thus I wouldn't be comfortable with that label. On the other hand, the Republicans (many of who still worship tRump) are right down selfish and evil on most of their crap. Hell could freeze over and I still wouldn't become a Republican. In the past I vote for a Republican in local elections if they were totally unlike most of their party. I voted for the individual. However, with the rise of tRump worship, it would be really hard to vote for someone who sticks with such a disgusting party.

Anyway, I think you need to re-examine what you may consider right/left on COVID. Granted sometimes the rules are stupid. For instance, my county decided that masks were required indoors in local government buildings (both city and county level) on a certain date. That date was exactly ONE day after the local govt made a lot of money hosting a basketball tournament for kids - many who were too young to get vaccinated. If the local government was SO worried about the Delta variant, then why the HELL did they wait until ONE day after what could have had the potential to be a super spreader event? Pure GREED, NOT science!

PS: I think we should keep a close eye on Denmark where about 80% of those who could get a vaccine have done so. It behooves us to see if herd immunity works now that they have lifted all restrictions. I wish the Danes the best. An 80% vaccine rate is something to be proud of! :

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/10/10361362 ... strictions

So, how many shots have you had? I know guys online who've had up to four! Some actually went so far as to lie - nope, never had the vaccine and don't have ID or insurance - so they could get BOTH Pfizer and Moderna. I've no idea how useful doubling up is but that's what I call being a vaccine slut. I'm still waiting to see if a booster will be recommended or not (for me).

Also, I believe the 'appropriate' response is to round up all anti-vaxxers on an island somewhere and allow themselves to cough themselves into oblivion, but maybe you didn't have such anti-gay rhetoric down there during the height of the HIV scare.

Eryx wrote:I'm a vaccine slut and I think we should shoot and kill people who don't want to be vaccinated

Are you sure?

I have no suspicions about the covid vaccine, it's safety or efficacy, the ones available here anyway. I feel I have a government I can trust.

But what if one doesn't have a government one can trust? What if the likes of Putin or Xi Xinping, dictated that everyone must take Super-flex vaccine, for urrmm.. colds... yeah. It won't reduce people's propensity towards independant thought at all.. nope. Move along.

The point being, I would be very reluctant, in giving any government, even one with as many checks and balances as the UK one, the right to mandate What I do or do not put into my body. I certainly don't want to set a precedent for such mandates, now, when a future government may lack those checks and balances or plain good conscience and might insist on government mandates on what I put in my body, years down the road.

Not everyone who is against mandatory vaccination, is against good sense, being safe and protecting people. Sometimes they most definatelt are thinking about, good sense, being safe and protecting people, just from something altogether different, but with no less worrying implications.

Especially as we move into a world in which, biological sciences are making some incredible things possible. And sometimes incredibly scary things possible.

EDIT: I mean, sure, those people who think that microsoft has included a tracking chip in the covid vaccine are crazy But not everyone with misgivings about vaccines are coming from that place.

I'd be reluctant to mix and match vaccines until we can be sure that no interactions cause adverse effects or reduce efficacy. I know that Astrazeneca is safe to use with Pfizer, or so I believe, as Pfizer has been offered as booster, following being double jabbed with AstraZeneca.

yeah, I'm not big on either the mix 'n match strategy nor getting unapproved boosters however they choose to do it

did see a stat that something like 3.2 million residents of the US had a booster even before that was approved - Don't remember for certain, but the number was either a CDC NIH or FDA estimate.

I have no issues with boosters per se, especially once approved and recommended. I'm just not going to fall into the trap - one is good so two must be better. But I'm also not one to jump on the latest of anything introduced into the market. Prefer to wait and see and let the evidence pile up. So, no, I'm not going to condone people who got their second Pfizer vaxx and then went to another clinic, lied, and then got Moderna. That's what I was getting at.

Eryx wrote:

pozboro wrote:So, how many shots have you had? I know guys online who've had up to four! Some actually went so far as to lie - nope, never had the vaccine and don't have ID or insurance - so they could get BOTH Pfizer and Moderna. I've no idea how useful doubling up is but that's what I call being a vaccine slut. I'm still waiting to see if a booster will be recommended or not (for me).

Also, I believe the 'appropriate' response is to round up all anti-vaxxers on an island somewhere and allow themselves to cough themselves into oblivion, but maybe you didn't have such anti-gay rhetoric down there during the height of the HIV scare.

Brazil has a more robust public health structure (and ID system) where this kind of strategy wouldn't work most times. There were a few crazies who managed to get more than two shots, but they were news-worthy for how rare the cases were.

Brazil has never had a moment where people could choose their vaccine, so I imagine the only people who got away with getting multiple shots (which I agree is pretty stupid) probably did it abroad.

Funny you mention that, both my parents are hardcore Bolsonaro voters, both got the two shots. And I recently dated a guy who sent me like a dozen audios on why he won't take the vaccine, and I think he was trying to insult me... He also had shot.

I don't want no stinkin' vaccine because I don't know what's in it - pass me another Twinkie, m'kay

Marmaduke wrote:Socially, I’m quite left. Fiscally, I’m more to the right. Not as much as I used to be though. COVID restrictions, I’m a little fuzzy on where the centre is. I’m pro-social restrictions, which in the context feels more left to me because it’s anything but capitalist, but I’m fine with vaccinations being mandatory for clearance to go abroad or get into social venues, and that’s definitely right.

I agree with you completely. Best of being on the right in the US is that all we do is spend, spend, spend; I support some other things the classic conservatives have done to help small business. Unfortunately, with the Catholic SCOTUS, which isn't supposed to lean in a specific direction, if the retrumplicans take control again, the risk of voting, black, women, and more important our rights could be in jeopardy.

I know some people, I'll see if one will ask Lindsay Graham if (s)he supports gay rights, next time their alone in the restroom. Maybe (s)he'll finally 'Get Real'.

poof4you wrote:

Marmaduke wrote:Socially, I’m quite left. Fiscally, I’m more to the right. Not as much as I used to be though. COVID restrictions, I’m a little fuzzy on where the centre is. I’m pro-social restrictions, which in the context feels more left to me because it’s anything but capitalist, but I’m fine with vaccinations being mandatory for clearance to go abroad or get into social venues, and that’s definitely right.

I agree with you completely. Best of being on the right in the US is that all we do is spend, spend, spend; I support some other things the classic conservatives have done to help small business. Unfortunately, with the Catholic SCOTUS, which isn't supposed to lean in a specific direction, if the retrumplicans take control again, the risk of voting, black, women, and more important our rights could be in jeopardy.

I know some people, I'll see if one will ask Lindsay Graham if (s)he supports gay rights, next time their alone in the restroom. Maybe (s)he'll finally 'Get Real'.

ain't holdin' my breath for that pig to fly

Gay-paul wrote:I mean, they are centrists, let's say someone believes in LGBTQ rights, but in fiscal matters or COVID restrictions you are closer to the right than to the left?

I'd say the number is pretty small, from my own experience. I am pretty far left though, so maybe those who are more right leaning just avoid me?

I guess I just feel like even flirting with the idea of being on the right side of the spectrum is dangerous when you really think about all the damaging stuff they do regarding the LGBTQ+ community. Like, I get it that some people want lower taxes and less invasion into every day life by the government, but that's not what the right is all about anymore, so I can't understand why those who like those things are attracted to them.

I would say I'm more conservative with age, but not so much because my values have changed a great deal, but more because the center has moved seismically towards the left over the course of my life. Such that, when I was young, late teens, early twenties, I identified as left/liberal, now I see myself as politically centrist and very few of my values have changed.

I'm all for personal and social liberties, self determinism, equal rights and all that good stuff. I find that the vast majority of people I meet, feel the same way.

When it comes to the economy, I do prefer fiscal responsibility, I strongly believe in self reliance, I'm not a big fan of the welfare state, despite it having once provided for my parents and family. But as an adult, seeing my sister live in a four bedroom house, paid for by welfare, buying new cars, new clothes etc while getting more money a month than I earned working a fulltime job... hasn't enamoured me with the system. When people suggest she gets a job, she laughs about how much worse off she would be. Anyone who grew up on a council estate in the UK can tell similar stories.

That said, I worship at the altar of the NHS I'd also advocate for state funded care for the elderly in a similar vein to the NHS (albeit, with better, more efficient organisation)

So where that places me on any kind of spectrum, is beyond me. More and more I see the binary left/right identifier as being outmoded and ridiculous.