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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby Derek » 17 October 2021, 04:49

AGIS wrote:Do you have any idea how many trucks of food and water, clothing and books I delivered to kids personally in Iraq?

Good job providing relief in a war we started, I hope Bush's second term was worth it.

AGIS wrote:You know, the same ones that think it's justified to throws LGBT people off of rooftops and hang them from construction equipment. You know, the same guys that burn people alive, and run over live captives with tank treads?

You know, the same ones that came to power because of the destabilization caused by foreign interference and are funded by our allies?

AGIS wrote:You're sitting in one of the most gay friendly countries on earth, and you want it to have weak defenses... Think about that for a second.

It's not as gay friendly as... I don't know, Iceland, and Iceland doesn't need to maintain an imperialist machinery with no parallel in history to do it. When was the last time the US military acted in our defense? Not in my lifetime or even my parents' lifetime. Thank you for your service, but it hasn't done jack shit for me except waste my tax dollars.

AGIS wrote:I'm getting the vibe that you're extremely sheltered from the world outside the US.

If you're interested at all, the books that best summarize my understanding of the subject are Chomsky's Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance and William Blum's Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions since World War II.
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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

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AGIS wrote:Do you have any idea how many trucks of food and water, clothing and books I delivered to kids personally in Iraq?

And now imagine how even more fabulous it would’ve been had you delivered all those in a red dress and matching pumps.

Derek wrote:Thank you for your service, but it hasn't done jack shit for me except waste my tax dollars.

Well I’m not. I’d kinda like my money back and an apology.




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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby Derek » 17 October 2021, 05:27

You never have anything to say. Would you read Chomsky if I told you he was a 20-year-old TikTok twink with swoopy hair?
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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby katzgar » 17 October 2021, 13:07

AGIS wrote:
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katzgar wrote:about 18% of LGBTQ voted for trump. We know trump had 60 anti LGBTQ executive orders. Internalized homophobia is in some of us. I cant imagine dating a gay trump supporter, thats a bar too low for me.


Nah, that's straight up underneath the ground the bar is hovering over. That's just disgusting.



I voted for him. I don't have internalized homophobia. I don't understand why you think he is homophobic. He was pro-gay marriage and LGBT rights long before Hillary ever was, and openly advocated for the LGBT community during his entire run for office.


trump supporters are bed people.

I am so tired of trump supporters saying he isnt against LGBTQ people when the proof is in plain site.
trump admin asks SCOTUS to approve workplace discrimination
https://time.com/.../trump-administrati ... -brief.../
trump anti LGBTQ listed... https://www.hrc.org/.../the-list-of-tru ... cedented...
Over 60 anti LGBTQ executive orders...
https://transequality.org/the-discrimin ... nistration
trump admin says gays not covered by civil rights protection
https://www.nbcnews.com/.../gay-workers ... ed-civil...
trump bans trans people from the military
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-tr ... military...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-tr ... military...
trump supporters are bad people
Trump Administration Asks Supreme Court to Legalize Workplace Discrimination Against Gay Employees
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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby AGIS » 17 October 2021, 16:01

If Trump is so against gays, then why didn't he block the right to marry in the US when he was POTUS? And lets not forget, Hillary was against gay marriage, and Biden only said he was for it when it was literally forced by the supreme court.

As for your list of links, the first one about worker discrimination; he said LGBT people aren't covered under discriminatory laws regarding race and religion. Which makes sense. You can choose to go to work and not be sneezing glitter all over the place dressed like Ru Paul. You can't go to work and choose not to be black.

Your second link doesn't exist.

Your third link was already posted. Those actions had nothing to do with Trump. He doesn't control every agency in the US with an iron fist.

Your 4th link doesn't exist.

Your 5th link doesn't exist.
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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby AGIS » 17 October 2021, 16:02

Derek wrote:You never have anything to say. Would you read Chomsky if I told you he was a 20-year-old TikTok twink with swoopy hair?


I hate that swoopy hair look.
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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby AGIS » 17 October 2021, 16:14

Derek wrote:Good job providing relief in a war we started, I hope Bush's second term was worth it.


You know, the same ones that came to power because of the destabilization caused by foreign interference and are funded by our allies?


It's not as gay friendly as... I don't know, Iceland, and Iceland doesn't need to maintain an imperialist machinery with no parallel in history to do it. When was the last time the US military acted in our defense? Not in my lifetime or even my parents' lifetime. Thank you for your service, but it hasn't done jack shit for me except waste my tax dollars.


If you're interested at all, the books that best summarize my understanding of the subject are Chomsky's Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance and William Blum's Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions since World War II.



"In a war we started", yeah, because those exact same extremists didn't bomb the fuck out of us and kill more people than the entirety of the Pearl Harbor attacks. But we should have just left those poor Imperial Japanese and misunderstood Nazis alone, right? And they were unstable long before foreign our boots set on their sand. I suppose Saddam kept them relatively peaceful, I'm guessing you support him as well? :Imperialist machinery", like what, exactly? Why are so many young Americans so ignorant to want to WEAKEN their own military? Oh and I agree, the military wastes a fuck ton of tax dollars, but to suggest it "does nothing for you" is idiotic. At the very LEAST it's a massive deterrent for foreign attack. I'm sure Russia, China, or the M.E. would love for us to not have a military. Try being gay in those places, I dare you.

Also, nobody gives a fuck about Iceland, or Chomsky. Dude is nothing more than an over-read totem for college age Communists to discuss on their Macbooks while sipping Starbucks. Ever actually read him? It's absolute nonsense. Same as Marx, and Hitler. Want a read book on the fundamental mindset of human politics, imperialism, and group dynamics? Read "Earth Abides".
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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 17 October 2021, 16:18

Derek wrote:You never have anything to say. Would you read Chomsky if I told you he was a 20-year-old TikTok twink with swoopy hair?

I read The Essential Chomsky ages ago. I was kind of disappointed it didn’t have any places for me to use my crayons.
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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby Derek » 17 October 2021, 17:20

AGIS wrote:"In a war we started", yeah, because those exact same extremists didn't bomb the fuck out of us and kill more people than the entirety of the Pearl Harbor attacks.

The Iraq War? They literally did not.

I suppose Saddam kept them relatively peaceful, I'm guessing you support him as well

I didn't, but you know who did, at least up until the invasion of Kuwait?

At the very LEAST it's a massive deterrent for foreign attack.

Given the nature of foreign attacks that have occurred in places like the US and the UK in recent decades, it actually seems like the opposite is true.

Try being gay in those places, I dare you.

Why would I?

Dude is nothing more than an over-read totem for college age Communists to discuss on their Macbooks while sipping Starbucks.

Got 'im.

Ever actually read him? It's absolute nonsense. Same as Marx, and Hitler.

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Want a read book on the fundamental mindset of human politics, imperialism, and group dynamics? Read "Earth Abides".

Thank you for the recommendation. I was hoping for nonfiction, though.
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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby AGIS » 17 October 2021, 17:34

Fiction is often based in reality, and proposes an introspective point. If you don't understand that, perhaps I should recommend some different books. Perhaps pre-K. I think Clifford the Big Red dog may be on your level.

My point on Chomsky stays the same. You're emoji posed no rebuttal or argument. Same as your preceding post. You also admit you didn't support Saddam, yet you also dislike the US military, who are the same ones who took out Saddam.... You realize how off your logic is right? I feel like you're stuck in a loop of Leftist ideology, regardless of how much it's contradictory. As for military not being a deterrent for bombings, why dont we compare the first world, who has for the most part a standing military, and the Middle East, which really doesn't. Which one of those two have more terrorist attacks? Yeah. It's not us. If your answer to terrorist attacks is "we need less security", then perhaps reassess your cognitive prowess. And yes, the Iraq war. The same ass-hats that bombed our towers are the same ones we killed the fuck out of. Even if they're from a different faction, they have the same sentiment. I should know, I was quite literally there.

I'm curious to know, if you were the president, exactly what would YOU have done in the aftermath of the bombings?
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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby AGIS » 17 October 2021, 17:35

poolerboy0077 wrote:
Derek wrote:You never have anything to say. Would you read Chomsky if I told you he was a 20-year-old TikTok twink with swoopy hair?

I read The Essential Chomsky ages ago. I was kind of disappointed it didn’t have any places for me to use my crayons.


The pages would have indeed had more educational if they were outlines of zoo animals. They could even sell it with a box of Crayola.
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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby Derek » 17 October 2021, 17:48

AGIS wrote:Fiction is often based in reality, and proposes an introspective point.

Oh, I agree. But when it comes to a debate about history and which foreign interventions were justified, I'd still prefer nonfiction references.

AGIS wrote:I think Clifford the Big Red dog may be on your level.

💀

My point on Chomsky stays the same. You're emoji posed no rebuttal or argument.

You didn't make a point, it was just an insult.

You also admit you didn't support Saddam, yet you also dislike the US military, who are the same ones who took out Saddam.... You realize how off your logic is right?

I don't support lots of people - that doesn't mean I'm in favor of "taking them out". But the point was that the US and its allies provided abundant financial and material support to Saddam during the Iran-Iraq War and were directly responsible for his regime.

As for military not being a deterrent for bombings, why dont we compare the first world, who has for the most part a standing military, and the Middle East, which really doesn't. Which one of those two have more terrorist attacks? Yeah. It's not us.

If the question is whether military involvement protects us from attack, the comparison to make isn't between the first world to the Islamic world, it's between the first world that has strong military involvement and the first world that doesn't.

If your answer to terrorist attacks is "we need less security", then perhaps reassess your cognitive prowess.

💀

And yes, the Iraq war. The same ass-hats that bombed our towers are the same ones we killed the fuck out of. Even if they're from a different faction, they have the same sentiment. I should know, I was quite literally there.

They literally were not the same people. That's the sort of logic that justifies terrorism.

I'm curious to know, if you were the president, exactly what would YOU have done in the aftermath of the bombings?

I'm not sure what bombing you're referring to? Regardless, if I was President I would be beholden to forces much greater than myself, so my opinion on the matter isn't worth that much.
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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby katzgar » 17 October 2021, 17:56

AGIS wrote:If Trump is so against gays, then why didn't he block the right to marry in the US when he was POTUS? And lets not forget, Hillary was against gay marriage, and Biden only said he was for it when it was literally forced by the supreme court.

As for your list of links, the first one about worker discrimination; he said LGBT people aren't covered under discriminatory laws regarding race and religion. Which makes sense. You can choose to go to work and not be sneezing glitter all over the place dressed like Ru Paul. You can't go to work and choose not to be black.

Your second link doesn't exist.

Your third link was already posted. Those actions had nothing to do with Trump. He doesn't control every agency in the US with an iron fist.

Your 4th link doesn't exist.

Your 5th link doesn't exist.



cant imagine anything more self harming than a gay man supporting a man that has done asd much as trump has to hurt our community. When you google trump homophobia you get over 14 million entries...stay away from me with your self hate.

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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby katzgar » 17 October 2021, 19:03

AGIS wrote:If Trump is so against gays, then why didn't he block the right to marry in the US when he was POTUS? And lets not forget, Hillary was against gay marriage, and Biden only said he was for it when it was literally forced by the supreme court.

As for your list of links, the first one about worker discrimination; he said LGBT people aren't covered under discriminatory laws regarding race and religion. Which makes sense. You can choose to go to work and not be sneezing glitter all over the place dressed like Ru Paul. You can't go to work and choose not to be black.

Your second link doesn't exist.

Your third link was already posted. Those actions had nothing to do with Trump. He doesn't control every agency in the US with an iron fist.

Your 4th link doesn't exist.

Your 5th link doesn't exist.


your comments reek of hate for gay people.

"If Trump is so against gays, then why didn't he block the right to marry in the US when he was POTUS? And lets not forget, Hillary was against gay marriage, and Biden only said he was for it when it was literally forced by the supreme court. " Clinton has nothing to do with trump. did you know they are different people? He cant block a ruling by the SCOTUS. Did you ever go to school?
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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 17 October 2021, 19:20

katzgar wrote:trump supporters are bed people.

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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby katzgar » 17 October 2021, 20:02

poolerboy0077 wrote:
katzgar wrote:trump supporters are bed people.

I suppose that explains the MyPillow guy.


LOL
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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby dseag2 » 18 October 2021, 03:59

Back to the original question... I am for gay rights as my husband and I are married. We married right after Trump was elected because I was afraid he would revoke those rights. He clearly didn't but there are so many other reasons we disapproved of his presidency. The lying, the narcissism, the misogyny, the tremendous fear of losing, the willingness to overthrow democracy for his own interests, etc. etc.

We are Centrist. We used to call ourselves "Gay Republicans" but we would be embarrassed to use that terminology these days due to what has happened to the Republican party. We live in TX, so we are doubly embarrassed by our governor's outrageous actions.

We are now Democrats. But we are invested in Wall Street, so of course we are conflicted. AOC, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren would undo everything we've saved for a comfortable retirement, so we are solidly in the middle.

So we are for gay rights but not for the left's policies.
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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby AGIS » 18 October 2021, 06:08

katzgar wrote:
AGIS wrote:If Trump is so against gays, then why didn't he block the right to marry in the US when he was POTUS? And lets not forget, Hillary was against gay marriage, and Biden only said he was for it when it was literally forced by the supreme court.

As for your list of links, the first one about worker discrimination; he said LGBT people aren't covered under discriminatory laws regarding race and religion. Which makes sense. You can choose to go to work and not be sneezing glitter all over the place dressed like Ru Paul. You can't go to work and choose not to be black.

Your second link doesn't exist.

Your third link was already posted. Those actions had nothing to do with Trump. He doesn't control every agency in the US with an iron fist.

Your 4th link doesn't exist.

Your 5th link doesn't exist.


your comments reek of hate for gay people.

"If Trump is so against gays, then why didn't he block the right to marry in the US when he was POTUS? And lets not forget, Hillary was against gay marriage, and Biden only said he was for it when it was literally forced by the supreme court. " Clinton has nothing to do with trump. did you know they are different people? He cant block a ruling by the SCOTUS. Did you ever go to school?


Darn!!!You got me!!!! I hate the gays SO MUCH that I have sex with them and get in loving, lasting relationships with them!!! Those bastards!!!! I hope when I go out on the lake my significant other chokes on this dinner I just made for him! Bastards!!!! REEEEEE!!!! Unbelievable people like me would ever question you! Damn my 10 years of college and my degrees! RAWR!!!

Bet yes, go one fabled victim! Tell me more about how I'm wrong, and you're right! I weep at your prowess!
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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby katzgar » 18 October 2021, 07:25

10 years of college isnt enough to offset your mental illness
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Re: How many gays guys believe in gay rights but not left-wing?

Unread postby katzgar » 18 October 2021, 07:27

dseag2 wrote:Back to the original question... I am for gay rights as my husband and I are married. We married right after Trump was elected because I was afraid he would revoke those rights. He clearly didn't but there are so many other reasons we disapproved of his presidency. The lying, the narcissism, the misogyny, the tremendous fear of losing, the willingness to overthrow democracy for his own interests, etc. etc.

We are Centrist. We used to call ourselves "Gay Republicans" but we would be embarrassed to use that terminology these days due to what has happened to the Republican party. We live in TX, so we are doubly embarrassed by our governor's outrageous actions.

We are now Democrats. But we are invested in Wall Street, so of course we are conflicted. AOC, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren would undo everything we've saved for a comfortable retirement, so we are solidly in the middle.

So we are for gay rights but not for the left's policies.


gay rights are the lefts policies. Your attitude sounds a bit like jews voting for hitler because he is good for the economy.
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