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Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby Bro » 29 March 2015, 07:52

Through a new law on religious freedom, has just signed Governor State Indiana, businesses and shops can now decide who they serve. For instance, they can refuse to serve against LGBT people because its against their faith contrary.

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http://www.advocate.com/politics/2015/0 ... cial-media


3rd April, 4:24 pm UPDATE: The Indiana Senate voted 34-16 to OK changes to the "religious freedom" law. The measure now goes to Gov. Mike Pence, who has yet to say whether he'll sign the measure into law, veto it or let it become law without his signature.

3rd April, 4:10 p.m. UPDATE:

The Indiana House voted 66-30 to alter the divisive "religious freedom" law to remove fears that it would allow businesses to discriminate against gays and lesbians.

The Indiana Senate was expected to quickly follow suit and send the changes to Gov. Mike Pence, who has yet to say whether he will accept the revisions.

The changes would make it clear that the law cannot be used to discriminate based on sexual orientation and gender identity


3rd April, Updated at 2:30 p.m:

What appeared to be a group effort Thursday morning to fix Indiana's divisive "religious freedom" law dissolved into a Republican power play as the GOP kicked out Democrat committee members before taking a vote on the changes.

As of 1 p.m., Democrats were meeting privately to decide whether to sign off on the clarifying measure, which they said doesn't go far enough to protect gays and lesbians from discrimination.

But by 2:30 p.m., Republicans had removed the Democrat committee members, so they could move the bill without Democrat support to the full House and Senate for a final vote today.

Democrats said the changes didn't go far enough. They wanted a repeal of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, or full civil rights protections for gays and lesbians


http://www.indystar.com/story/news/poli ... /70766920/


http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/02/polit ... m-law-fix/
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby waffles » 29 March 2015, 08:19

tbh, as much as this law is not going in the right direction for the LGBTQ+andwhatelse movement, it's more of a self harming law in my opinion. I wouldn't buy products from a shop or company with bad (business) ethics anyway, as long as there are alternatives. This law will make it clear very soon which companies are never getting any money from me, and a whole lot of other people anymore.

But how is it even possible to make such a law? I just don't understand how people thin this is a constructive law, even if you would be opposed to the gays.

EDIT: also, if they can refuse certain people for sexual orientation because of faith reasons, why can't they deny customers of a different faith? Seems like the more logical step in this path of freedom and democracy.
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby xyz72 » 29 March 2015, 08:54

My only issue with the law is that it specifically refers to LGBT people and is build around the idea of faith, from what I can understand based on a few articles that never actually define the law(every article seems to deal more with the outrage the law caused than the law itself).

Any private business owner should be able to refuse business to anyone he wants to refuse business to. Including but not limited to LGBT people.
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby DarkCloset » 29 March 2015, 18:32

Totally backwards.
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby Severelius » 29 March 2015, 19:07

As much as the knee-jerk liberal-as-liberal-can-be side of me wants to scream and rage about stuff like this, my more rational side takes the idea that yeah this is a massive dick move but at the same time, I'm a big proponent of the old "give them some rope and watch them hang themselves" idea. They want to openly discriminate against gay people using their business? Fine. Let them make utter bigoted idiots out of themselves on the open stage and let their business suffer because of their idiocy.

I'll never try to outright ban someone from being homophobic. It's more fun to laugh at them wallow in their own inevitable failure if they're freely allowed to do it.

Plus these kind of faith-based-bigotry types have enough of a persecution complex over their religious beliefs as it is, I really don't want anything to encourage that kind of pathetic self-indulgent and delusional whining.
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby Derek » 29 March 2015, 20:24

The governor is already facing extreme political backlash. This law barely gives any license for discrimination to begin with, and it looks like it's not even gonna get that far. I think the most remarkable thing about this situation is how immediate and severe the reaction was.
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby Nickr » 29 March 2015, 23:20

Businesses should be able to serve (or refuse to serve) whomever they want, regardless of justification.
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 30 March 2015, 00:31

Nickr wrote:Businesses should be able to serve (or refuse to serve) whomever they want, regardless of justification.

Why's that?
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby Descuff » 30 March 2015, 04:09

The Economic impact of this are already being felt by my state. NCAA and major conferences proving Indiana millions are pulling out. Presidents from three of universities well-known to Hoosiers are joined against this. Gov. Pence supposed "defense" was largely question-avoiding and claiming that the law did not discriminate. To think he was only 100,000 votes from not being governor in 2012...
I wonder how many people know this is down here
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby waffles » 30 March 2015, 08:39

Nickr wrote:Businesses should be able to serve (or refuse to serve) whomever they want, regardless of justification.

I feel like this would make it harder for minority groups to be included in society, leading to further maginalisation of those groups. If businesses would be allowed to refuse to serve people, this would only enforce and justify prejudices instead of creating mutual understaning.
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby Derek » 30 March 2015, 11:10

waffles wrote:
Nickr wrote:Businesses should be able to serve (or refuse to serve) whomever they want, regardless of justification.

I feel like this would make it harder for minority groups to be included in society, leading to further maginalisation of those groups. If businesses would be allowed to refuse to serve people, this would only enforce and justify prejudices instead of creating mutual understaning.

I very sincerely doubt that it would be of much consequence. Every attempt to marginalize gay people in the past decade has been symbolic at best.
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby waffles » 30 March 2015, 12:33

Derek wrote:
waffles wrote:
Nickr wrote:Businesses should be able to serve (or refuse to serve) whomever they want, regardless of justification.

I feel like this would make it harder for minority groups to be included in society, leading to further maginalisation of those groups. If businesses would be allowed to refuse to serve people, this would only enforce and justify prejudices instead of creating mutual understaning.

I very sincerely doubt that it would be of much consequence. Every attempt to marginalize gay people in the past decade has been symbolic at best.

I wasn't talking about gay people in specific but more in general, there are other minority groups that nowadays have to deal with a lot of discrimination. I agree that the law will not make a big change, but it's going t make some change, even if it is just one shop owner who is stupid enough, some people will be influenced by this.
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby Fellonme » 4 April 2015, 09:41

Don't be fooled by leftist propaganda and collectivist authoritarianism using the violence of the state.

Learn what's really going on.
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby Mod » 4 April 2015, 11:23

I think the homosexuals will manage.
The trans community on the other hand will have a pretty shittier time
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby 832843 » 4 April 2015, 12:46

To be 100% honest, this does not surprise me one bit.
I mean it's almost standard this kind of controversy to come out of the U.S.
Not trying to be judgemental but the country is not good at using their hindsight.
Just look at how many shootings have happened but more so how many accidental gun deaths are still happening and even now the gun laws are not changing.
I think it was just January this year I had read at least 7 different stories about parents either being shot and/or being killed by an accidental gun death from their child in the U.S.

What I'm interested in is if this law will still be upheld let's say if Ellen Degeneres decided to shop in that state in one of those said businesses.
Honestly, it's really stupid to freely allow businesses to become prejudiced on who they want to serve.
Next thing you know they'll be just as prejudiced on who they want to employ and then you'll have marginalised minorities again.
Then after that you'll have another kind of affirmative action and along with it, white people complaining about feeling oppressed because minorities are being given equal opportunities again.

Honestly it's like they are so happy to repeat their exact same mistakes over and over again and repeat the same history that I don't even feel sorry for them.
It's beyond stupid at this point in 2015.

I just hope the rest of the other states don't follow suit but I'm not holding my breath lol.
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby Descuff » 4 April 2015, 14:46

There probably should be an update here. A few days again lawmakers in Indiana sign a "fix" to make it clear that the law could not discriminate against the LGBT community.
I wonder how many people know this is down here
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby Marmaduke » 4 April 2015, 14:55

Apparently NASCAR has come out in support of the LGBT community on this. When NASCAR is decrying something as unacceptable and homophobic, it must be a fucking lot more homophobic than I realised.
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby Derek » 4 April 2015, 15:29

Marmaduke wrote:Apparently NASCAR has come out in support of the LGBT community on this. When NASCAR is decrying something as unacceptable and homophobic, it must be a fucking lot more homophobic than I realised.

I think companies are just jumping on the PR bandwagon.
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Re: Indiana's New Legalized Homophobic Law.

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 4 April 2015, 17:13

Derek wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:Apparently NASCAR has come out in support of the LGBT community on this. When NASCAR is decrying something as unacceptable and homophobic, it must be a fucking lot more homophobic than I realised.

I think companies are just jumping on the PR bandwagon.

But Nascar is notoriously redneck.
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