Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby Brenden » 2 April 2014, 08:27

Genes Are Not Destiny
Harvard School of Public Health wrote:What’s increasingly clear from these early findings is that genetic factors identified so far make only a small contribution to obesity risk—and that our genes are not our destiny: Many people who carry these so-called “obesity genes” do not become overweight, and healthy lifestyles can counteract these genetic effects. This article briefly outlines the contributions of genes and gene–environment interactions to the development of obesity.
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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 2 April 2014, 08:39

Momentous wrote:Perhaps I'm generalising. But for most people, "obesity" leaves people with distaste in their mouths.

Does the distaste only come about when having an empty mouth?


In all seriousness, if you are protesting the term itself, that's even sillier -- and a more problematic route to take. As I linked in my pocket guide, Steven Pinker's euphemism treadmill shows the flaw in this type of thinking. Terms are not the problem here. They acquire taint over time by people who look down on certain groups and people think the solution is to migrate away from these terms and create new ones. This is futile and ignores the actual problem.

The medical community should not distort medical science to drive some political goal. As Derek's piece indicates, it's made the problem worse. It's important we see things for what they truly are, to the best of our current knowledge, not distort reality to make life more palatable for people while we ignore the actual problem. Should I call my procrastination a mental disorder simply because it causes me trouble and people shame me for it? That's asinine.

Brenden wrote:Genes Are Not Destiny
Harvard School of Public Health wrote:What’s increasingly clear from these early findings is that genetic factors identified so far make only a small contribution to obesity risk—and that our genes are not our destiny: Many people who carry these so-called “obesity genes” do not become overweight, and healthy lifestyles can counteract these genetic effects. This article briefly outlines the contributions of genes and gene–environment interactions to the development of obesity.

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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby Brenden » 2 April 2014, 08:44

Guilty as charged. I'm an obesephobe. I think it comes from a deep self-hatred.
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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 2 April 2014, 08:49

By the way, I know Derek brought up Thomas Szasz but am I the only one who's noticed the problem of pathologizing things that are simply socially stigmatized without much sound justification no longer confined merely to psychiatry? All these Cialis commercials on erectile dysfunction and "low T" combat the "pathology" of being a middle-aged man. Whatever happened to parsimony?
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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby Derek » 2 April 2014, 09:07

Pff I already mentioned all that.
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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby Iago » 2 April 2014, 09:32

The thing I miss most about London was having a Pret within five-minutes' walk wherever I went. Their salads were so good.
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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby xyz72 » 21 April 2014, 13:58



I believe that was stated somewhere in this thread before, maybe in the source of the opening post, but it's definitely an interesting read.
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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby Derek » 21 April 2014, 14:37

I mentioned it on the previous page.
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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby Brenden » 21 April 2014, 17:56

Oh, was it the same study?
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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby Derek » 17 May 2014, 00:09


I hate nutritional science. It seems like there are always a million articles purporting to totally dismiss the last hundred years of research like it was nothing.
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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby Brenden » 17 May 2014, 00:44

Derek wrote:

I hate nutritional science. It seems like there are always a million articles purporting to totally dismiss the last hundred years of research like it was nothing.

Did you read the piece? Because I don't know where it dismisses any prior research. In fact, it cites research from 10 years ago.
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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby Derek » 17 May 2014, 01:01

*The greater part of the last hundred years of general consensus.
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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby Brenden » 17 May 2014, 10:01

The sun revolves around the earth, that's been the general consensus for hundreds of years! Copernicus, you crazy!

René and I have been reading nutrition research for a while now and this neither purports to nor overturns any research. Their hypothesis actually tries to synthesise some various lines of research.

What it does try to do away with is the common misconception amongst the layperson masses that all that matters is pure calorie budgeting and that fat is evil and it's okay to substitute fat for a shitload of sugar (e.g., low-fat yogurt packed with tablespoonfuls of sugar) or other quickly metabolised carbohydrates.
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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby Momentous » 17 May 2014, 11:59

Science has shown that exercise has minimal effect on weight loss. Diet is primary, as the body regulates caloric loss via exercise (even though weight loss is primarily about making energy outputs exceed imput)

http://spectrum.diabetesjournals.org/co ... 3/166.full
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle ... lic-health

Exercise is good for many things in the body (heart, brain, muscles etc), but losing weight through exercise requires an athlete-level of fitness, which is why people generally put the weight back on straight away. This is because of genetics.

While obesity may be secondary to lifestyle, it is important to note that generally, there is a large, uncontrollable genetic component to the disease. Just as Coeliac Disease is a socio-genetic disease which requires people to alter their diet, so is Obesity.
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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby Brenden » 18 May 2014, 00:21

Did you even look at any of my earlier repossess to your points? Because you're pretty much just repeating yourself.

Obesity is an epigenetic and lifestyle problem, mainly caused by diet, but also — and, we agree!, to a lesser extent — by physical activity (or, rather, lack thereof).

If it was an uncontrollable genetic problem, it would be manifesting itself over many generations and only in certain related segments of the population. It's not. It's happening within the lifetimes of one or two recent generations and it's happening across the population. These two facts alone show that it's not genetic, but epigenetic. It's how our genes — which are unchanged and have been there for many generations, including healthy ones — are responding to current environmental factors.
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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby Momentous » 18 May 2014, 01:01

Brenden wrote:Did you even look at any of my earlier repossess to your points? Because you're pretty much just repeating yourself.

Obesity is an epigenetic and lifestyle problem, mainly caused by diet, but also — and, we agree!, to a lesser extent — by physical activity (or, rather, lack thereof).

If it was an uncontrollable genetic problem, it would be manifesting itself over many generations and only in certain related segments of the population. It's not. It's happening within the lifetimes of one or two recent generations and it's happening across the population. These two facts alone show that it's not genetic, but epigenetic. It's how our genes — which are unchanged and have been there for many generations, including healthy ones — are responding to current environmental factors.


Sigh. I assume you're coming to these conclusions from self research?

Most diseases are not entirely genetic, and are hence "epigenetic" as you yourself say. Diabetes type 1, coelic, arhritis, etc. But, you have no issue with those being called diseases. You're picking and choosing because you don't like the repercussions of obesity being labelled a disease.

Also, I was "repeating yourself" as a general insight, not as a reply to you.
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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby Brenden » 18 May 2014, 01:52

I don't care whether it's called a disease or not. Are you conflating my posts with others'? Because if that's the impression you have of my position, then I can only conclude that you have serious reading comprehension issues.

Regardless, you are repeating yourself, blind to previous criticism.
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Re: Obesity Is Now Labeled As A Disease

Unread postby Momentous » 18 May 2014, 04:19

Brenden wrote:I don't care whether it's called a disease or not. Are you conflating my posts with others'? Because if that's the impression you have of my position, then I can only conclude that you have serious reading comprehension issues.

Regardless, you are repeating yourself, blind to previous criticism.


It seems like you do. But yes, I'm clearly far too stupid to comprehend your position.

Also your criticism is medically unfounded, so once again, forgive me for not taking you seriously.
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