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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby niko123 » 16 January 2013, 01:11

Took a while to find a good label (and even that doesn't really do justice), but I've settled on the libertarian socialist school of political thought as aligning most with my own views. Some agorism mixed in as well.

I voted for Johnson in 2012.
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby chattydanny » 16 January 2013, 01:12

The problem with party politics in general is that you when you label yourself as one or the other, it seems to put yourself into a straight jacket on all issues. In the European sense of the word, I'm quite conservative on some issues (eg. economy), liberal on others (social equality) which is why I find it difficult to identify with one particular party :/
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby Lucas » 16 January 2013, 01:14

I'm white, we don't talk about our political affiliations:

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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby koshka » 18 January 2013, 22:36

As far as UK politics are concerned, I'm Conservative.

I'm for a small state, lower taxes, personal responsibility and rewarding hard work
I'm against the welfare system, trade unions and state intervention in our day-to-day lives

I don't agree with all of Cameron's policies (and don't trust him at all), but he's better than the current alternatives.
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby baileyscheesecake » 19 January 2013, 21:51

Except that in order to reward 'hard work', you need to have social mobility... and we don't. If you have wealthy parents you have more opportunities, so it's so much easier for you to go to uni and get these great jobs. Oh and being against the entire 'welfare system', would include those on disability or invalidity pensions, old-age pensions and child allowance. Also, I don't think most people want considerable state intervention, but largely the state is just a public service of course they should provide certain things for us, like health care or education. Why the fuck else are we paying them out of our taxes. As for low taxes, every single individual has the responsibility to contribute as much as they can to the economy because every single citizen avails of certain public services. People saying that taxes are just a 'punishment for hard work' really don't understand how fucking lucky they are to be able to afford to pay so much, or how lucky they are that they don't rely on state services s much. Basically, just snobby rich cunts who think they're fantastic.
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby Lysander » 24 January 2013, 05:29

Libertarian and its okay we think your crazy too.
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby Lucas » 24 January 2013, 11:15

Lysander wrote:Libertarian and its okay we think your crazy too.


Egeus: Scornful Lysander! true, he hath my love,
And what is mine my love shall render him.
And she is mine, and all my right of her
I do estate unto Demetrius.

Lysander: I am, my lord, as well derived as he,
As well possess'd; my love is more than his;
My fortunes every way as fairly rank'd,
If not with vantage, as Demetrius';
And, which is more than all these boasts can be,
I am beloved of beauteous Hermia:
Why should not I then prosecute my right?
Demetrius, I'll avouch it to his head,
Made love to Nedar's daughter, Helena,
And won her soul; and she, sweet lady, dotes,
Devoutly dotes, dotes in idolatry,
Upon this spotted and inconstant man.
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby baileyscheesecake » 27 January 2013, 04:43

I'd be relatively libertarian. :/ Socially and economically. I mean, I think certain things should be provided by the state, but most services should be private. And yes, there should be rules and restrictions on the market, but not too much. Freer markets are better. :)
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby Daniel » 27 January 2013, 21:13

Left-Libertarian
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby collegeguy77 » 28 January 2013, 01:58

Id have to say im a moderate Republican/conservative
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby René » 28 January 2013, 19:59

I have usually voted for GreenLeft, successor to the Communist Party of the Netherlands.
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby Brenden » 28 January 2013, 20:09

René wrote:I have usually voted for GreenLeft, successor to the Communist Party of the Netherlands.

Which has sadly drifted too far to the right recently, acquiescing to social cuts and other neoliberal bullshit pushed by VVD. In the next election I think you should probably vote for the Party for the Animals, which is far more liberal on environmental and economic issues.

GroenLinks is just not the same without Femke. :(
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby Joe » 30 January 2013, 01:00

Independent. I'll vote for whoever will do the best job, is most likely to deliver, and least likely to be a wasted vote.

It's great. Bristol sees it like that too. Our recently-elected mayor is an independent. :awesome:
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby baileyscheesecake » 31 January 2013, 05:02

Yeah, that's great for local elections, but in general elections one voice is not going to count for very much. The Irish vote like that, too, it's insane. They'll vote for 'Pat down the road' even though Pat is in a party which they completely don't agree with. It's ridiculous! One of the most liberal countries and it has two large conservative parties because people vote like retards. My opinion is... bigger constituencies. It means your less likely to personally know your local TDs, so you'll have to vote based upon international politics, and not some vague hope that 'good auld Blackey Gavin will fix that fuckin' pothole on the N17 up to Sligo, like'. Also, less TDs means less of our taxes going to pay the lazy sons of bitches we have over here.
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby Brenden » 31 January 2013, 05:10

baileyscheesecake wrote:My opinion is... bigger constituencies.

Why constituencies at all? Having constituencies means both FPTP and Gerrymandering.
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby Adam88 » 31 January 2013, 05:15

Conservative for sure.
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby Poster_Undefined » 31 January 2013, 05:53

I'd say liberal, but the more I learn and the more interested I get into today's topics the more I realize that everyone's a little more nuanced than the labels would have you believe.

For keepsake and simplicity, however, a liberal.
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby baileyscheesecake » 1 February 2013, 17:44

Brenden wrote:
baileyscheesecake wrote:My opinion is... bigger constituencies.

Why constituencies at all? Having constituencies means both FPTP and Gerrymandering.

Are there really alternatives to constituencies. If you just had the most popular party winning governmental elections that just gives more power to Dublin to fuck us over in the west. At least with a local TD, we have someone who HAS to represent us. Yet, those constituencies should either be bigger, or it should be like the UK, with only one TD. Mayo has five TDs... five! That's crazy for a rural county with less than 400,000 residents.
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby Brenden » 1 February 2013, 17:54

baileyscheesecake wrote:
Brenden wrote:
baileyscheesecake wrote:My opinion is... bigger constituencies.

Why constituencies at all? Having constituencies means both FPTP and Gerrymandering.

Are there really alternatives to constituencies. If you just had the most popular party winning governmental elections that just gives more power to Dublin to fuck us over in the west. At least with a local TD, we have someone who HAS to represent us. Yet, those constituencies should either be bigger, or it should be like the UK, with only one TD. Mayo has five TDs... five! That's crazy for a rural county with less than 400,000 residents.

There's proportional representation, which ensures that every vote is equal and counted and Parliament actually reflects the political affiliations of the people.
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Re: Political Affiliations ?

Unread postby René » 1 February 2013, 18:06

baileyscheesecake wrote:
Brenden wrote:
baileyscheesecake wrote:My opinion is... bigger constituencies.

Why constituencies at all? Having constituencies means both FPTP and Gerrymandering.

Are there really alternatives to constituencies.

The Netherlands' model has been very successful at creating a multi-party system with a diverse set of ideologies for people to choose from, and creating governments that are forced to compromise on divisive issues in order to get majority support. I think this is infinitely better than FPTP in virtually all cases.
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