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Unread postby Brenden » 21 September 2020, 23:20

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Unread postby PopTart » 22 September 2020, 18:39


she certainly had strong views and was quite committed to them.

My own knowledge of her as both a judge and person, is limited, the above video and some light reading has informed my opinion about her (aswell as is possible) but I think that a certain degree of ego is required for any position from which, one is expected to pass judgement, weigh in and... well, be an authority in general, is required. So I'm not surprised she shares traits with the likes of Trump. As much as we hate to admit it, Trump has leadership traits. I'm reluctant to call them 'qualities' as what Trump has, is the negative expression of many of those traits.

Poor guy was doomed from the start tbh.
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Unread postby Brenden » 22 September 2020, 18:45

PopTart wrote:

she certainly had strong views and was quite committed to them.

Strong views like "I, me, myself should stay on the court. No one is better. Even though I've had cancer twice oops, make that three times and fallen multiple times and broken more bones than I can count on on both hands." and "I should hold out to be replaced by a Madame President." :rolleyes:
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Unread postby PopTart » 22 September 2020, 18:57

Brenden wrote:
PopTart wrote:

she certainly had strong views and was quite committed to them.

Strong views like "I, me, myself should stay on the court. No one is better. Even though I've had cancer twice oops, make that three times and fallen multiple times and broken more bones than I can count on on both hands." and "I should hold out to be replaced by a Madame President." :rolleyes:

Given what happened with the last democrat supreme Court judge to die, under Obama (getting replaced by republican one, during the last year of Obamas term) I can see why she might have been reluctant to step down, while Trump was in power with control of the senate being republican.

Whether she died of retired, while Trump is in power, he successor was most likely to be a republican candidate.

Perhaps she hoped to outlive Trumps term. Given that standing down or dying incumbent, the result was likely the same, why not hope to outlast Trump and let a democratic Pres, try to wrangle a republican senate approval for a democratic supreme Court candidate?

Seems reasonable to me AND gets to retain that position of influence and power, to check the spread of republican power. Maybe.
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Unread postby Brenden » 22 September 2020, 19:05

PopTart wrote:
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she certainly had strong views and was quite committed to them.

Strong views like "I, me, myself should stay on the court. No one is better. Even though I've had cancer twice oops, make that three times and fallen multiple times and broken more bones than I can count on on both hands." and "I should hold out to be replaced by a Madame President." :rolleyes:

Given what happened with the last democrat supreme Court judge to die, under Obama (getting replaced by republican one, during the last year of Obamas term) I can see why she might have been reluctant to step down, while Trump was in power with control of the senate being republican.

Whether she died of retired, while Trump is in power, he successor was most likely to be a republican candidate.

The article I linked to is from when the Democrats controlled both the Presidency and the Senate.

The issue is that she had a golden opportunity to ensure her successor would be chosen by the Democrats, and her outrageous narcissism and hubris led her to not take that opportunity so she could squeeze out a few more years of herself and then ideally be replaced by Hillary's nominee.

PopTart wrote:Perhaps she hoped to outlive Trumps term. Given that standing down or dying incumbent, the result was likely the same, why not hope to outlast Trump and let a democratic Pres, try to wrangle a republican senate approval for a democratic supreme Court candidate?

What she hoped was that Obama would be succeeded by a women president. What she got was Trump. In her hubris, she gambled, and she lost. But she wasn't just gambling with her own legacy, she was gambling with the fate of the country.

MAY SHE ROT IN AGONY.
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Unread postby PopTart » 22 September 2020, 19:12

In which case, I stand corrected :P

But my gosh! Brenden, wishing her to rot :wide-eyed: You are on the warpath today. :hitler:

Have you been emersing yourself in the world of politics alot lately? It might be getting to you. Trust me, my recent sojourn into the current political zeitgeist has been all around misery inducing. Maybe you need a break?
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Unread postby Brenden » 22 September 2020, 20:05

PopTart wrote:But my gosh! Brenden, wishing her to rot :wide-eyed: You are on the warpath today. :hitler:

Because I'm super pissed that there was an opportunity for Obama to nominate a young justice to replace the most liberal one on the bench but out of narcissism and hubris the opportunity wasn't taken.

Now Trump will have had 3 (!) nominations in his first term as President.

Thanks, Ruth.

PopTart wrote:Have you been emersing yourself in the world of politics alot lately? It might be getting to you. Trust me, my recent sojourn into the current political zeitgeist has been all around misery inducing. Maybe you need a break?

I'm always immersed in politics. :P

Anyway, it's mainly my contrarianism and desire to balance the scales. I don't actually have so much ill-will toward her, but when I see so much uncritical love for her and how much she's being put on a pedestal, I feel I must provide a counter-weight to it all.
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Unread postby PopTart » 22 September 2020, 20:34

Brenden wrote:
PopTart wrote:But my gosh! Brenden, wishing her to rot :wide-eyed: You are on the warpath today. :hitler:

Because I'm super pissed that there was an opportunity for Obama to nominate a young justice to replace the most liberal one on the bench but out of narcissism and hubris the opportunity wasn't taken.

Now Trump will have had 3 (!) nominations in his first term as President.

Thanks, Ruth.

PopTart wrote:Have you been emersing yourself in the world of politics alot lately? It might be getting to you. Trust me, my recent sojourn into the current political zeitgeist has been all around misery inducing. Maybe you need a break?

I'm always immersed in politics. :P

Anyway, it's mainly my contrarianism and desire to balance the scales. I don't actually have so much ill-will toward her, but when I see so much uncritical love for her and how much she's being put on a pedestal, I feel I must provide a counter-weight to it all.

:applause: :thumbsup: I very much like this. :D
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Unread postby Magic J » 22 September 2020, 21:03

Brenden wrote:Anyway, it's mainly my contrarianism and desire to balance the scales. I don't actually have so much ill-will toward her, but when I see so much uncritical love for her and how much she's being put on a pedestal, I feel I must provide a counter-weight to it all.

I recommend a more Zizekian style of provocation. i.e. "Of course I know she was a wonderfully progressive and liberal Justice and so on and so on... *sniff* My point is this... *sniff sniff* I wonder if we'd have been better off if the Party *sniff* had, as we Communists used to say, 'arranged' something, you know... For the good of the Party. *sniff*

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Unread postby Derek » 22 September 2020, 22:27

I don't really understand where her reputation came from. Sotomayor is a way better Justice. There were other way better Justices in the second half of the 20th century. I associate her most with tumblr self-identified "witches", which is a subculture whose weirdest aspect is how aggressively... normie it is. There's no political analysis that explains it, it's just signifiers and bullshit.
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Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 23 September 2020, 18:21

Derek wrote:I don't really understand where her reputation came from. Sotomayor is a way better Justice. There were other way better Justices in the second half of the 20th century. I associate her most with tumblr self-identified "witches", which is a subculture whose weirdest aspect is how aggressively... normie it is. There's no political analysis that explains it, it's just signifiers and bullshit.

What’s your metric for ranking justices?
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Unread postby Derek » 23 September 2020, 18:30

In this specific case, Sotomayor has a better record on criminal justice, her rhetoric is more forceful and didactic, and she wasn't BBFs with Scalia.
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Unread postby Jzone » 24 September 2020, 02:01

It takes more than a good record to make a hero. Most if it is irrational. She was just cute as a button.
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Unread postby Derek » 24 September 2020, 02:32

Jzone wrote:It takes more than a good record to make a hero.

I hope Biden gets this etched into all his drones.
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