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USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Bro » 14 April 2015, 06:20

The American's presidential election of 2016 will be the 58th edition of the election. The election has been planned on 8th November 2016. There will also be a 45th and 48th vicepresident chosen for the USA. The current American president Barack Obama can no longer set himself up as a candidate for the next electon as he already won twice during the 2008 and 2012 elections.

Who do you think will win the next election? Will it be Hillary Clinton?

Hillary Clinton's announcement for candidacy on 12th April, 2015.


The following candidates who announced that they will run the presidency:


Republican Party:
Rand Paul from Kentucky
Ted Cruz from Texas
Marco Rubio from Florida
Jack Fellure from West Virginia

Democratic Party
Hillary Clinton from New York
Jeff Boss from New Jersey
Vermin Supreme from Massachusetts
Robby Wells from North Carolina


Independence candidate:
Terry Jones from Florida

Possible candidates:

Republican Party
Jeb Bush
Rick Perry
Rick Santorum
John Bolton
Scott Brown
Chris Christie
Mike Huckabee
Jon Huntsman
Bobby Jindal
Rand Paul
Paul Ryan
Scott Walker
Donald Trump
Mitch Daniels
Sarah Palin
Condoleezza Rice
Allen West


Democratic Party
Joe Biden
Howard Dean
Martin O'Malley
Andrew Cuomo
Kirsten Gillibrand
John Hickenlooper
Amy Klobuchar
Janet Napolitano
Jay Nixon
Brian Schweitzer
Mark Warner
Elizabeth Warren
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Eirik » 17 April 2015, 16:22

I reckon Clinton will win.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby xyz72 » 17 April 2015, 17:04

Out of the people that have announced they are running or are likely to run, I can't see anyone who would be serious competition to Hillary on any real level.
Of course, this being the USA, both parties are great at manipulating the public and the vote and it doesn't really matter how good or bad a candidate is, so let's see...I somewhat expect a Republican to win. Possibly for the last time in a while. They're going to pump more money into this election than ever and new presidents tend to be from the other party than their direct predecessor, since voters almost always blame whatever problems they are facing on the party in power at the moment.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Severelius » 17 April 2015, 17:15

I wouldn't be surprised if a Republican managed to take this one. More through strength of billionaire donors than any actual reason because I don't think even with a gun to my head I could tell you what the Republican party at large stand for any more beyond "not Obama" and "hooray for money."

Honestly, I kind of don't want Hilary to win this one. Don't get me wrong, I want a Democrat. I just want someone other than Hilary. Largely because if she wins we're in for at least 4 years of even less getting done on any level of federal government because Republicans will just drive themselves into deeper pits of pathetic fury simply to spite her whenever possible.

Maybe a Democrat who doesn't make Republicans foam at the mouth as soon as they're even alluded to quite as much as Hilary does.

But then again I'm not American and in a really twisted way I think a Republican win would at least be a tragically hilarious spectacle to watch. Like 4 years of an endless series of clown cars crashing at high speed.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Welp » 17 April 2015, 17:26

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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Agent47 » 18 April 2015, 05:45

Unless the Republicans have the second coming of Reagan then the Democrats will likely take the Presidency even if the candidate is Hillary. Outside of the fore mentioned Reagan zombie, Bush is the most likely candidate to take the Republican nomination simply because of financial backing and his biggest contender Marco Rubio being a novice which could have potential issues especially among the big bank moderates. The Tea Party also plays into this as right now they have a new messiah and that's Ted Cruz and unless he gets to play VP he is not going to last and some of his base is stubborn enough to sit this out if they don't get their way. The only way he would get it is if he moderates himself (although at risk of losing some of the more fundamental supporters) and Bush does something to tick of his donors like not offer enough tax benefits or grow a conscience or something. Most of the other guys signing on are likely in it mostly for book deals and to get public speaking events except maybe Huckabee who is just in total self-destruct mode, possibly Jindal who doesn't yet realize a lot of people on that side of aisle can't tell the difference between an Indian and a Muslim, and Rand seems to really want it as well but he committed the unforgivable sin if speaking out against some military intervention in the past and even if he has backtracked they will never forget that and will make sure he reminded of it for the rest of his time on Earth. He might as well just had said he moonlights as an abortion doctor on the side.

When it comes to the Democrats though I kind of wonder though if the true nominee like the past few Democrat presidents is someone who comes out of nowhere and excites the voters enough to forget Bush Part III and Rubio. Maybe it's someone who threw their hat into the race behind the scenes and we'll see closing in on Primary season. Maybe they are seeking another Obama-type to energize the voters with. The only way I see a potential win for Bush right now would be a huge slip-up by Hillary that really destroys her, the Democrats decide to let the Republicans take it so Bush can self-destruct his own party at a quicker rate or if someone really big and bad happens involving terrorists as Bush would remind people which family has always been the first to kick in the terrorist's door but even then Hillary would still be ruthless enough to have the debates delve into who is going to bomb them the hardest.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 18 April 2015, 06:02

This morning I came across this hilarious article on investors.com about Hillary. I find it funny how much they fear her. I can only imagine how much they'd flip out if Elizabeth Warren had as much support as Hillary does. Their rant about free speech is also amusing.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Derek » 18 April 2015, 06:27

I think Clinton will win. I'm not exactly excited about it, but compared to who the GOP is coming up with...
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby poolerboy0077 » 18 April 2015, 09:27

Derek wrote:I think Clinton will win.

Do you think it'll be a landslide victory? For some reason I feel like the two major candidates might be Clinton versus Fiorina, although it'll probably be Jeb instead. Fiorina says she can "neutralize" Clinton's "sex card." The two are very abrasive. I feel like it's going to be a bitter, nasty battle if it does end up being Fiorina on the Republican ticket.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby xyz72 » 18 April 2015, 10:06

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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Nicholas » 18 April 2015, 13:35

poolerboy0077 wrote:
Derek wrote:I think Clinton will win.

Do you think it'll be a landslide victory? For some reason I feel like the two major candidates might be Clinton versus Fiorina, although it'll probably be Jeb instead. Fiorina says she can "neutralize" Clinton's "sex card." The two are very abrasive. I feel like it's going to be a bitter, nasty battle if it does end up being Fiorina on the Republican ticket.

Do you think the baddies will be able to choose a woman? ;)
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Adrian » 18 April 2015, 13:37

My thoughts, though keep in mind I'm a leftist loonie, so my views might be a bit skewed.

Republican Party:
Rand Paul from Kentucky - Between last round and this round he's made a hard drive to pander towards the center. Dropping much of his isolationist and we shouldn't have any government at all lines that he got from his father. He'll make it through the process, but won't be able to carry strong enough support to take on the general election. The candidate he is now isn't the same candidate or platform he had 2 years ago.
Ted Cruz from Texas - Fucking Insane
Marco Rubio from Florida - His campaign slogan seems to be "the candidate for a new generation, and a new American Century" and bashing Yesterday's candidates. But his entire platform is Ronald Reagan from the 1980's. There's not much new here, and he's already dropped his support for immigration reform. He's a pretty polished candidate and well spoken, but doesn't stand for anything.
Jack Fellure from West Virginia -who?

Democratic Party
Hillary Clinton from New York - She is the candidate to beat, her major message is running on the Clinton name, the 1990's prosperity/nostalgia, and a sense of inevitability. She's retooled her campaign from 2008, and barring any major meltdowns or real scandals will probably win. There have been a series of micro-scandals tossed at her to make noise, but they have no basis. At the end of the day Benghazi and the Email thing are both just noise. However she could have issues with her age, she's 67 and doing just fine, but cannot for a second let it look like she's tired. The media will take that and run with it, and take all momentum out of the campaign.
Jeff Boss from New Jersey - Who?
Vermin Supreme from Massachusetts - not even Massachusetts can take this guy seriously
Robby Wells from North Carolina - no national name recognition
Bernie Sanders - Too far out Man


Independence candidate:
no 3rd party candidate can win under the American electoral system, the deck is just too far stacked against them.

Possible candidates:

Republican Party
Jeb Bush - He'll run, he's a pretty polished candidate. I just don't think there's anything remarkable about this guy, It may truly get down to Bush vs Clinton at the end, and if so it's dull and boring vs dull and boring.
Rick Perry - he may try again, but 2008 he ended up with egg on his face looking silly. So I doubt it.
Rick Santorum - He may try again, he's your average ordinary also ran, with no hope of winning.
John Bolton - JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
Scott Walker - The unions hate this guy, if he goes nationwide we'll see mobilization against him like never before.
Chris Christie - This guy is dirty, they haven't been able to pin anything on him yet, but give it time.
Mike Huckabee - Yesterdays news
Jon Huntsman - I like him, he's a solid well thought out candidate who stands behind his views with solid logic and reason. However he'd be overshadowed in a campaign by bigger names, so I doubt it.
Bobby Jindal - He fucked the State of Louisiana, now he's come to fuck America (seriously look at the budgets and see how bad the state is)
Rand Paul - He's retiring
Paul Ryan - I dunno
Scott Brown - His only major election win was in Massachusetts for Kennedy's old senate seat. He won not because he's such a good candidate, but because his opponent Martha Coakley is such a bad one.
Donald Trump - Nope
Mitch Daniels - Yesterdays news
Sarah Palin - While she makes good celebrity gossip news she's not serious about running for anything besides fame.
Condoleezza Rice - won't run
Allen West - Nope

Democratic Party
Joe Biden - He might run, Joe is a good guy, but he's not the name brand, he's the guy you have on your team to get things done behind the scenes.
Howard Dean - So 15 years ago
Martin O'Malley - Here's a guy to watch, he's been a long time Hillary supporter, but if he makes a break with her and runs on his own, he's the solid democrat that could beat her like Obama did in 08, however we'll probably see him as a VP candidate, not Pres.
Andrew Cuomo - He won't succeed outside new york
Kirsten Gillibrand - won't run
John Hickenlooper - Won't run
Amy Klobuchar - won't run
Janet Napolitano - won't run
Jay Nixon - won't run
Brian Schweitzer - who?
Mark Warner - Maybe
Elizabeth Warren - I love her, she just exudes personality. Saw her walking down the street at Boston Pride, no signs, no banners, no entourage, and the crowd was just screaming in excitement. But she scares the right so badly that if she ran, the Christian Conservatives and Business groups would unite to throw so much money behind whoever gets the republican nomination that she couldn't win.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Derek » 18 April 2015, 17:16

Adrian wrote:Elizabeth Warren - I love her, she just exudes personality. Saw her walking down the street at Boston Pride, no signs, no banners, no entourage, and the crowd was just screaming in excitement. But she scares the right so badly that if she ran, the Christian Conservatives and Business groups would unite to throw so much money behind whoever gets the republican nomination that she couldn't win.

I don't get Elizabeth Warren. It's like, wow, you think banks need to be more regulated? And oooh, you say Walmart isn't fair to its employees? What powerful and incisive rhetoric! You should be in command of the world's most powerful military.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Descuff » 20 April 2015, 07:53

Welp wrote:I think I'm voting green party next election unless one of the other candidates turn out to be really cool. I will not vote for Hillary, she's a whore.


Ooo another Green Party. Shame we couldn't pick up traction from 2000.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Burns » 20 April 2015, 18:34

Why no mention of Bernie Sanders? In his half century or so of civil service, the man has not wavered when it comes to advocating for the American working class, and he will probably run as a Democrat.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby GBR89 » 29 April 2015, 05:02

The Republicans will likely win. It takes an uncommonly successful presidency for a party to hold the White House for 3 straight terms (Reagan and FDR were the last two presidents popular enough to make it happen, and they're both legends in their respective parties - Obama will never hit 50 percent approval again).

I doubt Clinton even wins the Democratic nomination. She's a Wall Street tool, a grotesque hypocrite, and thoroughly corrupt - and that's by Washington DC standards.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Burns » 29 April 2015, 05:49

GBR89 wrote:The Republicans will likely win. It takes an uncommonly successful presidency for a party to hold the White House for 3 straight terms (Reagan and FDR were the last two presidents popular enough to make it happen, and they're both legends in their respective parties - Obama will never hit 50 percent approval again).

I doubt Clinton even wins the Democratic nomination. She's a Wall Street tool, a grotesque hypocrite, and thoroughly corrupt - and that's by Washington DC standards.


If the Republican spread looks anything like it did in 2012, I doubt the Republicans will win. So far, all the Republican nominees surpass Hillary in all the things you mentioned. I am really exited to see what reactionary, hawkish, corporatist candidate prevails in the ultra right-wing Republican primary.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Burns » 29 April 2015, 05:57

Derek wrote:
Adrian wrote:Elizabeth Warren - I love her, she just exudes personality. Saw her walking down the street at Boston Pride, no signs, no banners, no entourage, and the crowd was just screaming in excitement. But she scares the right so badly that if she ran, the Christian Conservatives and Business groups would unite to throw so much money behind whoever gets the republican nomination that she couldn't win.

I don't get Elizabeth Warren. It's like, wow, you think banks need to be more regulated? And oooh, you say Walmart isn't fair to its employees? What powerful and incisive rhetoric! You should be in command of the world's most powerful military.


While I don't deny the fervor for Warren is a bit excessive, c'mon the president does a lot more than just head our military. A lot of our better presidents have had little to no military experience. Military leaders don't necessarily make for good leaders.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby GBR89 » 29 April 2015, 06:07

Burns wrote:
GBR89 wrote:If the Republican spread looks anything like it did in 2012, I doubt the Republicans will win. So far, all the Republican nominees surpass Hillary in all the things you mentioned. I am really exited to see what reactionary, hawkish, corporatist candidate prevails in the ultra right-wing Republican primary.


I wouldn't get too excited, the Republicans will nominate a centrist - they always do. It'll be Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, or Ohio Governor John Kasich. If they get really exotic, they might go with Scott Walker - not a centrist, but a thrice-elected blue state Republican Governor. It won't be Ted Cruz.

As for Hillary....err...pro-Wall Street...that's every politician outside of the far-left and far-right - which makes her vulnerable to a challenge from the left. On hypocrisy and corruption, I'm sorry but she's absolutely unparalleled among anyone even thinking about running right now. The centerpiece of her campaign is income inequality - she *will* be the richest candidate of either party in the race, financed by quarter-million dollar speeches. As for corruption - she's either the unluckiest politician in the history of American politics or corrupt to the core. The recent New York Times and Washington Post stories on the foreign donations accepted by the Clinton Foundation while she was Secretary of State is just one item on a very, very long list of unethical and shady dealings by the Clintons. Both the Democrats and America will be far better off if and when she is defeated.
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Re: USA: Presidential Election 2016 (58th EDITION)

Unread postby Adrian » 30 April 2015, 02:24

1- Slightly amused that American election is here in general, UK election thread is in Intellectual Discourse
2- Now that Bernie has declared, I'll had him to the "Too insane for prime time" list
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